Mony & 3rd for 1st, sure. Haven't compensated for the retention or taking Jarnkroks contract.

The 1st is for Monahan half retained, the 3rd is for Jarnkrok, which is less than he is worth. He's certainly not a cap dump and you could turn around and flip him for more.

In that case, send him elsewhere for the 3rd. MTL won't be interested in doing footwork to hope someone gives us something better than that 3rd. Retained Monahan is all yours for that 1st though.

A 3rd is less than what he's shown his value to be. They won't be doing the footwork to get less than what he's worth? Saying Montreal would decline because it's too much work to trade a single forward for a 3rd round pick is an interesting take for sure...

If he can get you more so easily then why would you be selling him at a discount..? Very interesting take for sure...

Literally so I wouldn't have to argue over it, but here we are! You realize we're talking about a 3rd round pick here, right? The guy scored 20 goals last year, is great both ways and is paid like a 3rd/4th liner for the next few years. Why can't you just base your opinions on similar trades as a precedent? Are you telling me you wouldn't accept this trade as the Habs?

Canes still aren’t doing that.

Premise is both teams know in advance that all the UFAs in that deal are going to walk, deciding to make a trade that improves their chances for this coming year. In that scenario, both teams improve for this coming season. Realistic? Yeah, probably not.

Why not?


In the unlikely world where all 3 canes players waive, sure why not.

Skjei and TT have a 10 team no trade clause, Pesce a 15 team no trade. That doesn't even cover all non-playoff teams.

Not sure how Skeji/Pesce combo is that much better than Brodie/Liljegren. Canes allowed just 10 less goals than the Leafs last season.
There certainly is big drop off from Nylander to Teravainen.

You're not sure? Really? Maybe you should look into these things before openly admitting this. They were 2nd in the league in expected goals despite being used as a shutdown pair. Skjei was 3rd in goals among defensemen despite being used in that role and not getting PP1 minutes. Both are bigger, faster, stronger and since Brodie's recent decline are better defensively than both he and Liljegren. The comparison here is not even close, lol.

Teraveinen is a downgrade offensively, though typically approached a point per game before struggling with injuries this season. He is also much, much better defensively and wouldn't need to be relegated to sheltered O-zone starts like Willy this past post-season.

These are the reasons why the Canes aren’t going to pull the trigger.

I'd be happy enough to admit that Jarnkrok probably is worth a 3rd. Montreal still isn't interested in acquiring him, which means that he's not contributing any value on our end. If anything he'd hurt our tank...

Why would we move a draft pick, as a rebuilding squad, for another winger and block more roster spots? Oh, and for multiple years? This makes no sense from an organizational standpoint. If TOR can get more for Jarnkrok then from a Leaf standpoint it would make sense for them to take the better option. MTL using their final retention on Monahan means there isn't a slot open to increase Jarnkroks value, we also don't have a roster spot available for him. Wtf are we going to use him for? You're asking us to PAY you to have him sit in the pressbox until something better comes along. No thanks. Like I said, if you can get more so easily then why don't you go do so? I'll wait. Going to be disappointed when nobody offers anything more than that 3rd you "discounted" him for, if anybody even wants to offer anything.

You seem to be ignoring half of this trade. You'd be moving a 3rd round pick and getting a 1st for a guy who has barely played over the last couple of seasons. You'd be subtracting one forward from your roster and adding another, who you could immediately flip for at least a 3rd. You literally just went through this exact scenario with Petry...

I purposely skewed the value heavily in your favour and you still find a reason to complain.

No to both

Thanks for your input as always.

As a Habs fan, I appreciate the fairness of that Montreal trade.
That being said, when we look at the Habs roster, the main issue - by far - is the abundance of tepid middle-6 forwards who are all basically providing average production.

Monahan really does seem in great health since the start if camp and has goals in every game he has played in. Of course, no one knows the future (although everyone here thinks they do lol)
So your trade offer is truly a fair trade. Even for Jarnkrok (what a name!). The only thing that could put a wrench in that deal is the Habs need at the moment.

But again, as far as value is concerned, I think your offer seems reasonable.
There's no GM that would hang up the phone or insulting here lol

Have a good season!

You haven't skewed anything in my favour and that has been explicitly explained to you. I originally went with Monahan and the 3rd for the 1st, no retention. You said Monahan retained for the 1st. I agreed.

Still absolutely no use in paying full price for another winger with term. It's not complaining when I'm simply trying to get through to you.

If Monahan is a viable trade piece it's because he's healthy and performing, meaning the 1st would be a typical expectation for Monahan retained. There is nothing skewed except your oblivious view, half of this trade is counterproductive for MTL and can be cut out.

Why did you guys go out and acquire Petry? He doesn't seem to be a fit for where you're at as a team...

Appreciate it, you guys are building something good over there!

I don't see Petry anywhere on our roster, try again. And before you come up with some other bs argument intended to do nothing but troll, we were paid to hold that contract until we could find a trade partner. Attach a 2nd and a serviceable backup G and we'll gladly take Jarnkrok's contract.

Ha, nice save buddy... Good talk!

To be perfectly honest, I am still VERY rattled by the fact that Kent Hughes went for Slafkovsky first overall... and the Reinbacher pick at number 5.
It's always very easy in hindsight to say this, that's true.

There are a few decisions that make me nervous about the long term success of the Habs rebuild.
They lack 'absolute star power', like a Matthews or Marner. I don't think a successful rebuild can really occur without an elite-elite talent to rally around.

I know it's extemely early, but - as a Habs fan - my hope is that the Habs have another disastrous season, able to flip some contracts for picks, and end up packaging something up to get a true elite talent in the upcoming draft.

My confidence in Slafkovsky becoming ELITE, at this point, is 1/10.
Reinbacher? 3/10.

Anyway, I think the Leafs have made the correct tweaks this off-season and I see them very close to winning their first cup in a while!