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Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 3, 2023
Published: Oct. 3, 2023
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Chicago fans - Hold off on the negative comments, I just used them since they have space, and are looking to older players to surround Bedard and show him the ropes. They could send Armia anywhere and pay a bit, but I figure that Chicago may want a bit less in terms of picks since they have a plethora of them in the first two rounds for the next three years. Armia will be gone after next year, just in time to start dishing out more contracts to star players.

Ottawa fans - Gotta pick and chose here, Pinto or another player? I'm just thinking that switching Joseph for Ylönen doesn't change much other than lots of cap space for Ottawa to get the deal signed for Pinto. They get a potential 5th or 6th Defense man in Barron as an extra value, but will need to pay a 1st to trade for the two players, salary dump and get picks in return.

After these moves, Habs will then need to trade out some players for late round picks like Pezzetta, Lindström, Mesar, Beck, Mysak, DVorak and Wideman (if they can..), then figure out if Monahan is a keeper or a piece for a top 3 rounds pick whatever his value becomes at TDL.

Habs will need picks, lots of them like ARZ and Chicago have done. Have a full out rebuild before Suzuki and Caufield's time expire.
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Joseph, Mathieu
  2. 2024 1st round pick (DET)
Additional Details:
Habs get Detroit's first*
Ottawa get 2 good 3rd round picks in return plus Ylönen and Barron.

*Protected top 5; if so then Ottawa provides later pick between Detroit's and Ottawa's 1st.
OTT
  1. Barron, Justin
  2. Ylönen, Jesse
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (MIN)
  4. 2025 3rd round pick (VAN)
Additional Details:
Ylönen provide a 4th liner for 2.2M$ less which provides Ottawa with more cash to sign Pinto, and have some space for injury call-ups.

Barron bring in size and a development player able to send to AHL and help grow into a full time NHL'er. Habs have many D right now, so they can pay this price.
2.
MTL
    Future considerations
    CHI
    1. Armia, Joel
    2. 2024 5th round pick (SJS)
    3. 2024 7th round pick (WSH)
    Additional Details:
    Just sending to Chicago since they would be the less impacted team, have lots of cap space for the next two years and have a roster spots. But really, send Armia anywhere and pay a bit for future considerations.. Basically a handshake.
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    $4,450,000$4,450,000
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    UFA - 2
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    NMC
    UFA - 3
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    Oct. 3, 2023 at 9:50 a.m.
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    Why not just hold onto Armia? MTL isn't going to compete for another 3-4 years and by that time, Armia's contract will be up
    Oct. 3, 2023 at 9:52 a.m.
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    overpaying to take a camp dump
    Oct. 3, 2023 at 9:59 a.m.
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    If all it took to move Armia out was a 5th and a 7th, don't you think he'd be gone by now?
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    Oct. 3, 2023 at 10:26 a.m.
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    Quoting: Hawksguy81
    If all it took to move Armia out was a 5th and a 7th, don't you think he'd be gone by now?


    I actually like how this team proposes Armia takes a 5th and 7th, but Mathieu lands a 1st. It's not even like OTT can take on Ylonen. They're already losing players on waivers.
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    Oct. 3, 2023 at 10:35 a.m.
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    Habs fans going to Hab....get a 1st for taking a cap dump/casualty pay a 5th to dump a similar player. Hawks say no thanks and don't call again.
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    Oct. 3, 2023 at 11:08 a.m.
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    Quoting: DQavis
    overpaying to take a camp dump

    Joseph isn't a "camp dump" though, he's a cap casualty because of the mess Dorion has created

    He's a pretty decent 3rd liner with top speed and elite PK ability

    But as it looks like, they're not even going to move him

    The return is decent here but Ottawa shouldn't be in the business of moving any draft pick for a while. Someone has to send Dorion to the moon for the love of children

    Quoting: wojohawk
    Habs fans going to Hab....get a 1st for taking a cap dump/casualty pay a 5th to dump a similar player. Hawks say no thanks and don't call again.

    Joseph >>>>> Armia

    Joseph is a cap casualty, Armia is a real cap dump.
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    Oct. 3, 2023 at 11:26 a.m.
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    That won't be Detroit's 1st. it's most likely Boston's 2024 1st or Boston's 2025 1st unprotected.

    Detroit has the option to send their own or Boston's 2024 1st round pick.
    In the event the Bruins' 2024 1st round selection is a top-10 pick, Boston can retain the pick and transfer their 2025 1st round pick instead.
    Detroit will then have the option of sending Boston's 2025 unprotected 1st or their own 2024 1st to Ottawa.
    Oct. 3, 2023 at 1:33 p.m.
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    Quoting: Hawksguy81
    If all it took to move Armia out was a 5th and a 7th, don't you think he'd be gone by now?


    Not really, last year and before he had injuries, and had more than 3 years of payroll. Also no team were in the situation Chicago is in right now. They have plenty of room, need good players to surround the rebuild (they are ahead of MTL by a long shot with Bedard) and should have this time to play him on a 4th or 3rd when needed.
    Oct. 3, 2023 at 1:44 p.m.
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    Quoting: WhoCares_ItsAFantasyGame
    Not really, last year and before he had injuries, and had more than 3 years of payroll. Also no team were in the situation Chicago is in right now. They have plenty of room, need good players to surround the rebuild (they are ahead of MTL by a long shot with Bedard) and should have this time to play him on a 4th or 3rd when needed.


    You obviously haven't looked at the Hawks roster. The Hawks have no spot for Armia to actually play if they did acquire him. "Good player"? Armia is the poster boy of a cap dump. Even on the Hawks, he's getting waived to the AHL this season. Which is what Montreal should do with him. Owed $8.6m in actual salary over next 2 seasons. He isn't close to that level of player on his best day. There isn't a GM in the league who would take his contract for less than a 2nd, and it very well could take more than that.
    Oct. 3, 2023 at 1:46 p.m.
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    Quoting: exo2769
    I actually like how this team proposes Armia takes a 5th and 7th, but Mathieu lands a 1st. It's not even like OTT can take on Ylonen. They're already losing players on waivers.


    I like that you don't even see the big difference between both trades.

    Armia may be a cap dump in your eyes, but he's more of a body dump than salary. Very different situation where Habs can just absorb his contract but will have too many players on the roster hence Chicago have a spot and lots of cap space available.

    Where as Ottawa need to get space to sign Pinto and Ylönen can fit in as they currently sit at 20/23 players but only have 120K$ of space on the roster with . And Norris seems like he'll be able to play soon so he can't be flipped on LITR to make that space work for a contract to Pinto. With Mathieu Joseph gone they suddenly have 3,070,953M$ aftet you pay Ylönen you still have 2,295,953M$ left. You provide Pinto with a 1 or 2 yr deal at 2M$ and you still have a bit of cap space to play around when you need to call-up players, plus just added an extra body to the team (21/23 roster). Ottawa also get a pair of pick, plus Barron who his close to breaking in the NHL but in MTL there are too many prospects at same caliber. Having the 2 way contract Ottawa can send him down and let him develop on a first or second pair in the AHL, plus he an RD which is good for any NHL team at the blue line.
    Oct. 3, 2023 at 1:58 p.m.
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    Quoting: Hawksguy81
    You obviously haven't looked at the Hawks roster. The Hawks have no spot for Armia to actually play if they did acquire him. "Good player"? Armia is the poster boy of a cap dump. Even on the Hawks, he's getting waived to the AHL this season. Which is what Montreal should do with him. Owed $8.6m in actual salary over next 2 seasons. He isn't close to that level of player on his best day. There isn't a GM in the league who would take his contract for less than a 2nd, and it very well could take more than that.


    Love how everybody call put players like "poster boy of a cap dump" etc... Worse was said about Hoffman and that MTL would need to pay a hefty price to get rid of him.. Funny enough, Hugues was able to play out a Jeff Petry, Casey DeSmith, Nathan Legare plus a 2nd round pick in 2025 with the addition that the Penguins retained 25% of Petry's salary but added a simple Rem Pitlick who isn't a good prospect at this point...

    Yeah.. Armia is worthless.. Sure.. Guess you have no clue why they added Perry, Foligno, and Hall to their roster.. BTW, all comments about Armia is that while he was hurt he always was someone that the younger guys could go to for info, advice and help. At his price for just an extra year with a small return in picks, he's still worth it for a team looking for his type of player. If he can play this year, then it's something Hawks could benefit from.. But yeah... He's just like Hoffman.. No one wants him.. LOL!
    Oct. 3, 2023 at 2:11 p.m.
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    Quoting: WhoCares_ItsAFantasyGame
    Love how everybody call put players like "poster boy of a cap dump" etc... Worse was said about Hoffman and that MTL would need to pay a hefty price to get rid of him.. Funny enough, Hugues was able to play out a Jeff Petry, Casey DeSmith, Nathan Legare plus a 2nd round pick in 2025 with the addition that the Penguins retained 25% of Petry's salary but added a simple Rem Pitlick who isn't a good prospect at this point...

    Yeah.. Armia is worthless.. Sure.. Guess you have no clue why they added Perry, Foligno, and Hall to their roster.. BTW, all comments about Armia is that while he was hurt he always was someone that the younger guys could go to for info, advice and help. At his price for just an extra year with a small return in picks, he's still worth it for a team looking for his type of player. If he can play this year, then it's something Hawks could benefit from.. But yeah... He's just like Hoffman.. No one wants him.. LOL!


    Guess I'm curious if everything you're saying about Armia is factual, why wouldn't Montreal just keep him? Your roster above has more than enough cap space. Why trade such a veteran leader? Bottom line is the Hawks don't need him, so they aren't taking him for a couple of late picks. Hawks have plenty of vets to dole out info, advice and help who can actually contribute on the ice as well - like Hall, Perry and Foligno.
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    Oct. 4, 2023 at 10:38 a.m.
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    Quoting: Xspyrit
    Joseph isn't a "camp dump" though, he's a cap casualty because of the mess Dorion has created

    He's a pretty decent 3rd liner with top speed and elite PK ability

    But as it looks like, they're not even going to move him

    The return is decent here but Ottawa shouldn't be in the business of moving any draft pick for a while. Someone has to send Dorion to the moon for the love of children


    Joseph >>>>> Armia

    Joseph is a cap casualty, Armia is a real cap dump.


    your just a sens fan and dont understand the value from our side every team in the league will make ottawa pay to take joseph cause of there cap struggles and barron ylonen is worth more then a 1rst and 2 3rds ur crazy that package can probably get us close to landing laffy or kakko
    Oct. 4, 2023 at 7:16 p.m.
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    Quoting: DQavis
    your just a sens fan and dont understand the value from our side every team in the league will make ottawa pay to take joseph cause of there cap struggles and barron ylonen is worth more then a 1rst and 2 3rds ur crazy that package can probably get us close to landing laffy or kakko

    lol look at the way you are addressing me even though I said absolutely nothing wrong... your writing is so poor that something tells me that going further would just be a pure waste of time

    A Habs fan made this ACGM, it's not like I was proposing this. I would not propose a deal like that at all so "your side" doesn't matter at all here since you're the one proposing

    "your just a sens fan
    and dont understand the value
    ur crazy
    "

    Dude take a pill or something lol
    Oct. 6, 2023 at 5:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: DQavis
    your agree with the trade smh
    obviously its a brain dead habs fan but even if it was switched would u trade jbd and sokolov and 2 3rds for a top 15-20 pick and armia?

    Maybe you didn't read but in my first post I said :

    "The return is decent here but Ottawa shouldn't be in the business of moving any draft pick for a while"

    And even if I was ready to move that first, it wouldn't be for quantity

    Quoting: DQavis
    obviously its a brain dead habs fan but even if it was switched would u trade jbd and sokolov and 2 3rds for a top 15-20 pick and armia?

    Joseph is a LOT better than Armia though and makes 500 K$ less... Great defensively, Elite PKer, top skater, great forechecker and now even produces more than Armia. This is not even close. Armia is a cap dump, Joseph COULD be a cap casualty

    If you were giving me a 1st round pick and Joseph (let's say he'd be a Habs), I would absolutely send you jbd and sokolov and 2 3rds

    Habs are getting the best player AND the best asset in this proposal
    Oct. 6, 2023 at 6:31 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xspyrit
    Maybe you didn't read but in my first post I said :

    "The return is decent here but Ottawa shouldn't be in the business of moving any draft pick for a while"

    And even if I was ready to move that first, it wouldn't be for quantity


    Joseph is a LOT better than Armia though and makes 500 K$ less... Great defensively, Elite PKer, top skater, great forechecker and now even produces more than Armia. This is not even close. Armia is a cap dump, Joseph COULD be a cap casualty

    If you were giving me a 1st round pick and Joseph (let's say he'd be a Habs), I would absolutely send you jbd and sokolov and 2 3rds

    Habs are getting the best player AND the best asset in this proposal


    Armia is great defensively great pk killer strong in the puck and can take over a game when ever he feels like theres a reason he makes more then joseph.
    To be fair your a sens fan and u wouldnt know the same abt armia as i do for him vise versa with joseph that being said barron was one packaged with a 2nd for whats gonna basically be like 10 picks apart from our 3rd for the best puck possession player in the league and great on the pk and has proven he can score goals and puts up pts so no i wouldnt devalue my players for a “cap casualty” id rather armia for 2 yrs then joseph for 3 hes not a role player and imo wont fit either teams system hes to young to be a vet presence and to old to be young and help the team. That being said 3 2nds 2 3rds for a mid first and a “cap casualty” who will just be a roster “casualty” for us mtl says no unless u take barron out switch with a Ld prospect with less potential cuz we have to many and you got to realize teams are gonna make ottawa pay to move joseph cuz hes a problem for ottawa rn not any other team.
    Oct. 8, 2023 at 9:11 a.m.
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    Quoting: DQavis
    Armia is great defensively great pk killer strong in the puck and can take over a game when ever he feels like theres a reason he makes more then joseph.
    To be fair your a sens fan and u wouldnt know the same abt armia as i do for him vise versa with joseph that being said barron was one packaged with a 2nd for whats gonna basically be like 10 picks apart from our 3rd for the best puck possession player in the league and great on the pk and has proven he can score goals and puts up pts so no i wouldnt devalue my players for a “cap casualty” id rather armia for 2 yrs then joseph for 3 hes not a role player and imo wont fit either teams system hes to young to be a vet presence and to old to be young and help the team. That being said 3 2nds 2 3rds for a mid first and a “cap casualty” who will just be a roster “casualty” for us mtl says no unless u take barron out switch with a Ld prospect with less potential cuz we have to many and you got to realize teams are gonna make ottawa pay to move joseph cuz hes a problem for ottawa rn not any other team.

    I live in Montreal, I am exposed to all the MTL medias and games... Armia was good around 2017-18 and 2019-20 but it has gone downhill since. Advanced metrics also don't tell the same story you are...

    Who is the "the best puck possession player in the league" you're talking about? I hope it's not Armia lol

    Montreal would trade Armia for Joseph in a HEART BEAT.

    And "3 2nds 2 3rds", you decided that Ylonen was worth a 2nd?

    And Joseph is not a problem. The way Dorion manage things is.
    Oct. 10, 2023 at 2:07 p.m.
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    Im talking based on draft pick position. Ylonen and barron were both 2nd rd picks pls adding 2 3rds.
    Just to deal with there cap casualty which every team will make them pay for.
    Then when I mentioned best puck possession player i was talking abt lehkonen, mtl moved him for Barron and a 2nd which is basically mtls 3rd they will only be 10 or less picks apart based on how col and mtl play this yr
    So to get lehkonen thats the package id expect no more unless were adding a impact player which for joseph isnt the case for either team
    My repurposed trade would be…

    MTL receives:
    Joseph
    1rst 24 (top 10 protection)
    Ostapchuk


    Ott receives:
    RHP
    Barron
    3rd 24
     
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