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Created by: Xspyrit
Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 12, 2023
Published: Oct. 12, 2023
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Don't pay attention to defensive pairings numbers. Any of the big 3 would always be on the ice, that's the point
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3$2,500,000
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2024
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2025
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2026
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22$83,500,000$80,517,380$0$1,850,000$2,982,620
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,205,714$8,205,714
LW
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$8,350,000$8,350,000
C
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
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UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, C
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$7,950,000$7,950,000
C
UFA - 7
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$863,333$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
C
RFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LW
RFA - 1
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$835,000$835,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
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$2,950,000$2,950,000
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UFA - 3
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$775,000$775,000
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
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UFA - 2
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RD
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UFA - 4
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$1,850,000$2M)
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UFA - 1
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$813,333$813,333
RD
RFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
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UFA - 2
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$766,667$766,667
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UFA - 2
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
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UFA - 2

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Oct. 13, 2023 at 2:17 p.m.
#26
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Quoting: Xspyrit
I'm not sure in which world people live to be honest so I'm not really trying to understand anymore. The world I live in is there :

https://www.capfriendly.com/trades?min-players=1

How come Leafs got help?
How come the Canucks got help?
How come the Panthers got help?
How come the Stars got help?
How come the Knights got help?
Etc.

Players have the value each team allocate them in regards to their cap hit, term, age, health status, etc. The NHL is not Cap Friendly lol. Both Kubalik and Brannstrom are positive assets

The 31 other NHL teams don't make a zoom call to say "hey everybody, let's not help Ottawa!"

Someone will trade for a player when they have a NEED or see the possibility to make a PROFIT. It's almost like some of you have no idea how life works.


Bro is doing a whole lotta yappin

Youre team has no leverage and will be on the losing end of any trade scenario

Better accept it now cuz those trades are not it and whining wont change that
Oct. 15, 2023 at 4:06 p.m.
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Bad trade for montreal
Oct. 26, 2023 at 2:20 p.m.
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
None of those teams had a young player unsigned and no cap space.

Teams will take them if they are free, they aren’t gonna pay when they could just wait and exploit Dorion even more. And not a single team have a need and the cap space for Brannstrom or Kubalik. They might take it for an unnecessary luxury but again, it would be for free

Quoting: patnaisnyquil
Sens fans getting desperate lmao

Youre going to have to move some high picks if you want cap space, Dorion's asset management has been atrocious and every GM in the league knows it.

I'm far from a Dorion fan (actually been asking for his hiring for 3 years) but it looks like CF has been quite ridiculous about all this situation, lol

Quoting: patnaisnyquil
Bro is doing a whole lotta yappin

Youre team has no leverage and will be on the losing end of any trade scenario

Better accept it now cuz those trades are not it and whining wont change that

There's no yapping... it's more you being of "that type"... a type that I have known for decades, you're all the same
Oct. 26, 2023 at 2:23 p.m.
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Quoting: LumberJacques
I understand where you're coming from but I respectfully disagree about the potential upside of the deal from MTL's perspective.

Firstly I don't believe that Brannstrom carries much value in the league right now, nor do I believe this to change in the short term. Recent trade trends suggest that undersized defensemen aren't in much demand by most teams, especially if those defensemen aren't elite offensively. I firmly believe it would be far easier to get value at the deadline for Kovacevich than Brannstrom. Not only is Kovacevich half a foot taller but he also shoots right and had all of 3 fewer points than Brannstrom last season while costing less than league minimum and less than half of Brannstrom's cap.

For Kubalik's part I don't disagree that he could likely recoup value at the deadline but that would require extra effort to showcase him and likely retention on his contract by MTL. This is where his opportunity cost comes into play since MTL only have 1 retention slot remaining, which they are likely keeping for Monahan. Using a broker would eat into the expected return and reduces the overall upside of the Sens-Habs trade.

In short I believe Kovacevich is not only more important to MTL currently than Brannstrom would be, but also likely holds more value across the league so this part doesn't work for me. Next while I would trade Ylonen for Kubalik I would not include a 3rd because this would significantly reduce the upside of this trade for MTL. While Kubalik would return more than Ylonen (likely around a 2nd based on comparables) this would only result in marginal value if any (about 15 slots between the 2nd and 3rd round picks minus the broker fee of a 4th or 5th).

All good points, this is always more of what I am looking for when engaging in discussions, although got really busy lately so I kinda missed out. Yeah my thought was that Kubalik returns more than Ylonen which offsets the difference in JK and EB plus the 3rd.

Note that Rasmus Sandin was traded for Erik Gustafsson and a late 1st at the deadline and didn't have great offensive numbers before that. Brannstrom and Sandin had similarities, young 2-way PMDs who have been crushing 3rd pairing minutes.

But looks like all these threads are pointless now that the reality has been revealed. This was way too weird for not something like this to eventually come out
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