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Where It All Begins

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Team: 2023-24 Chicago Blackhawks
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 16, 2023
Published: Oct. 16, 2023
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Bedard has No One To Run With. Kubalik takes the All Night Train going Southbound and ends up Back Where It All Begins because Chicago Ain't Wastin Time No More.
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Oct. 16, 2023 at 1:25 p.m.
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You need to add a 2nd round pick going to Chicago for this to even have a chance.
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Oct. 16, 2023 at 1:28 p.m.
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You need to add a 2nd round pick going to Chicago for this to even have a chance.


Not sure Chicago really needs that, especially since Hall is injured now. They need more offensive players to play with Bedard.
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Oct. 16, 2023 at 1:38 p.m.
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Not sure Chicago really needs that, especially since Hall is injured now. They need more offensive players to play with Bedard.


Supposedly Hall's back in for tonight's game against the Leafs. I don't think they want Kubalik back considering they A.) tried to trade him and got no takers and B.) then gave up his RFA rights without any pushback or negotiating or anything. Just let him go and sign with DET because they didn't see a fit in CHI for him.
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Oct. 16, 2023 at 1:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Snowhawk18
You need to add a 2nd round pick going to Chicago for this to even have a chance.


Quoting: NDoody
Not sure Chicago really needs that, especially since Hall is injured now. They need more offensive players to play with Bedard.


Maybe a third or fourth if they throw in another depth piece for the Sens. A second is too much imo.

Personally, I don't see why Chicago wouldn't take a 15-20 goal player for free. Not much to lose and they could potentially gain a decent piece for the next couple years. Or maybe they'll flip him at the tdl. Win win trade imo.
Oct. 16, 2023 at 2:01 p.m.
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Hawks have plenty of options to play w/ Bedard. They aren't taking Kubalik without a pick attached. Now if he could play RD the Hawks might consider this. But another F they just don't need.
Oct. 16, 2023 at 2:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Snowhawk18
You need to add a 2nd round pick going to Chicago for this to even have a chance.


Some people on this site are so dumb. A team offers you a 20-25 goal scorer on a bargain contract for FREE and somehow you decide to shake them down even more.
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Oct. 16, 2023 at 3:01 p.m.
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Some people on this site are so dumb. A team offers you a 20-25 goal scorer on a bargain contract for FREE and somehow you decide to shake them down even more.


Some people on this site are so dumb. A team in cap hell has no leverage when trying to dump a contract and they just don't get it.
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Oct. 16, 2023 at 3:11 p.m.
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Wrong team for Kubalik due to previous context

Quoting: NDoody
Not sure Chicago really needs that, especially since Hall is injured now. They need more offensive players to play with Bedard.

You didn't understand... He's saying Ottawa needs to attach a 2nd for Chicago to consider picking up a guy who has averaged 24 goals per 82 games in the NHL with a 2.5 AAV for 1 season...

Quoting: JK74
Some people on this site are so dumb. A team in cap hell has no leverage when trying to dump a contract and they just don't get it.

The real world doesn't work like that though. There's no collusion against one team. A team who could use him or thinking they could make a profit at the deadline would take him.

Let's say I'd need money and I have 2 cars, I could sell my 2nd car worth 15K for less to make a quick sale, people will not be saying "no, he's trying to dump a car to fix his money issues, that's not going to work!"

I mean, come on lol.

People (or teams) are motivated by their own benefit/needs. Any team could ask for a 1st round pick attached to Kubalik all they want, but they might just miss out on the opportunity to get him for cheap because another team would think "ok I'm spending a 7th on him now (for example) but I could get back a 2nd or 3rd at the deadline"
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Oct. 16, 2023 at 4:14 p.m.
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Wrong team for Kubalik due to previous context


You didn't understand... He's saying Ottawa needs to attach a 2nd for Chicago to consider picking up a guy who has averaged 24 goals per 82 games in the NHL with a 2.5 AAV for 1 season...


The real world doesn't work like that though. There's no collusion against one team. A team who could use him or thinking they could make a profit at the deadline would take him.

Let's say I'd need money and I have 2 cars, I could sell my 2nd car worth 15K for less to make a quick sale, people will not be saying "no, he's trying to dump a car to fix his money issues, that's not going to work!"

I mean, come on lol.

People (or teams) are motivated by their own benefit/needs. Any team could ask for a 1st round pick attached to Kubalik all they want, but they might just miss out on the opportunity to get him for cheap because another team would think "ok I'm spending a 7th on him now (for example) but I could get back a 2nd or 3rd at the deadline"


But that's the thing, this is hockey not the real world. Yes you can sell that 2nd car but the buyer comes to you, not the other way around. In this scenario, the seller is approaching a potential buyer who has no need to purchase the car and doesn't need the car and would rather not have that car. The seller then gets indignant and calls the potential buyer an idiot for not buying the car.

The reality is, the Hawks had Kubalik. They saw his temperament, work ethic, and attitude up front in person and decided to walk away from a rfa.
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Oct. 16, 2023 at 4:43 p.m.
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But that's the thing, this is hockey not the real world. Yes you can sell that 2nd car but the buyer comes to you, not the other way around. In this scenario, the seller is approaching a potential buyer who has no need to purchase the car and doesn't need the car and would rather not have that car. The seller then gets indignant and calls the potential buyer an idiot for not buying the car.

The reality is, the Hawks had Kubalik. They saw his temperament, work ethic, and attitude up front in person and decided to walk away from a rfa.

How do you know nobody could use Kubalik or just see an opportunity to make a profit? By experience following the NHL for a long time, teams always need to add secondary scoring. Not talking about the Hawks, there's 30 other teams.

Cap space will create ifself, by either injuries, trades or just burying a contract in the AHL.
Oct. 16, 2023 at 4:49 p.m.
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Quoting: Xspyrit
How do you know nobody could use Kubalik or just see an opportunity to make a profit? By experience following the NHL for a long time, teams always need to add secondary scoring. Not talking about the Hawks, there's 30 other teams.

Cap space will create ifself, by either injuries, trades or just burying a contract in the AHL.


Quoting: Xspyrit
How do you know nobody could use Kubalik or just see an opportunity to make a profit? By experience following the NHL for a long time, teams always need to add secondary scoring. Not talking about the Hawks, there's 30 other teams.

Cap space will create ifself, by either injuries, trades or just burying a contract in the AHL.


This season doesn't matter though. They're not winning anything. They already have the foundation with their veterans. This season is about developing the youth. Bedard, Reichel, Kurashev, Guttman and seeing if Katchouk and Raddysh repeat their play from last season. Kubalik doesn't accomplish anything but taking a spot from a kid and MAYBE netting a mid-round pick at the deadline.
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Oct. 16, 2023 at 6:11 p.m.
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Wrong team for Kubalik due to previous context


You didn't understand... He's saying Ottawa needs to attach a 2nd for Chicago to consider picking up a guy who has averaged 24 goals per 82 games in the NHL with a 2.5 AAV for 1 season...


The real world doesn't work like that though. There's no collusion against one team. A team who could use him or thinking they could make a profit at the deadline would take him.

Let's say I'd need money and I have 2 cars, I could sell my 2nd car worth 15K for less to make a quick sale, people will not be saying "no, he's trying to dump a car to fix his money issues, that's not going to work!"

I mean, come on lol.

People (or teams) are motivated by their own benefit/needs. Any team could ask for a 1st round pick attached to Kubalik all they want, but they might just miss out on the opportunity to get him for cheap because another team would think "ok I'm spending a 7th on him now (for example) but I could get back a 2nd or 3rd at the deadline"


So I can understand the wrong team comment. However:

1. I do think the Hawks are a different team now than when he was around (and when they decided to move on). He could be a useful piece either in the short or medium term.

2. The theme in the title and description necessitates that's its Chicago here.

Two is more important than one, as I really think some team out there should roll the dice on him if the cost is nothing. Doesn't have to be the Hawks.
Oct. 16, 2023 at 10:59 p.m.
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Some people on this site are so dumb. A team offers you a 20-25 goal scorer on a bargain contract for FREE and somehow you decide to shake them down even more.


Some people on this site are so dumb they don’t even realize that said player used to play for the team he is being offered to and they let him walk away for free, they had no use for him. Now these same dumb people expect the team that walked away from the player to absorb a $2.5m contract for free even though they don’t want the player. 🙄

Furthermore, these incredibly dumb people can’t seem to understand that their teams dumb GM created a total dumpster fire with the teams salary cap, put himself into a situation where he has no leverage and yet they feel teams aren’t going to take advantage of that… dumb, really, really dumb.
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Oct. 16, 2023 at 11:12 p.m.
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For all these brilliant Senators fans out there, answer one question, if Dorion could move Kubalik for free, why hasn’t he?

It would free up the cap space to get Pinto done and back on the ice. It has been widely reported that Dorian is not willing to pay the PRICE being asked to move the player(s) he needs to, to free up cap space.
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Oct. 17, 2023 at 9:53 a.m.
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This season doesn't matter though. They're not winning anything. They already have the foundation with their veterans. This season is about developing the youth. Bedard, Reichel, Kurashev, Guttman and seeing if Katchouk and Raddysh repeat their play from last season. Kubalik doesn't accomplish anything but taking a spot from a kid and MAYBE netting a mid-round pick at the deadline.

Again, not talking about the Hawks, hence why I have said :

- "Wrong team for Kubalik due to previous context" (1st post you quoted)

- "Not talking about the Hawks, there's 30 other teams." (2nd post you quoted)

It's important to read when discussing

My point was this : There's no collusion against one team, teams are motivated by their own benefit/needs.

Quoting: Anus_McLeod
So I can understand the wrong team comment. However:

1. I do think the Hawks are a different team now than when he was around (and when they decided to move on). He could be a useful piece either in the short or medium term.

2. The theme in the title and description necessitates that's its Chicago here.

Two is more important than one, as I really think some team out there should roll the dice on him if the cost is nothing. Doesn't have to be the Hawks.

Got it, it's just that for Kubalik to be back in Chicago, their management would want to redo the experience. It's not that long ago that he "didn't fit", but not saying it's impossible. I haven't see any of their fans here saying that they would like to get him back
Oct. 17, 2023 at 10:04 a.m.
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Some people on this site are so dumb they don’t even realize that said player used to play for the team he is being offered to and they let him walk away for free, they had no use for him. Now these same dumb people expect the team that walked away from the player to absorb a $2.5m contract for free even though they don’t want the player. 🙄

Furthermore, these incredibly dumb people can’t seem to understand that their teams dumb GM created a total dumpster fire with the teams salary cap, put himself into a situation where he has no leverage and yet they feel teams aren’t going to take advantage of that… dumb, really, really dumb.

Some people on this site are so dumb they don’t even realize that the creator of this ACGM is a Colorado fan and not even a Sens fan

But congrats for calling the OP dumb even though he has done nothing to you. He's just trying something out there, which is the point of this forum

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For all these brilliant Senators fans out there, answer one question, if Dorion could move Kubalik for free, why hasn’t he?

It would free up the cap space to get Pinto done and back on the ice. It has been widely reported that Dorian is not willing to pay the PRICE being asked to move the player(s) he needs to, to free up cap space.

Dumb or brilliant? lol

It's been reported that teams were asking for a good compensation to take on Joseph's contract, which Dorion realized was crazy. With the way Joseph has been playing in the 3v3 league this summer (he was the league's superstar over guys like Suzuki, Letang, Dubois, Perron, Drouin, etc), in training camp/preseason and then in the first 3 games of the season, it makes zero sense to move him at all, unless you'd be getting better than what you paid to get him.

With Kleven not being 100% ready, Dorion now realizes that they need Brannstrom, who is not at peak value yet and it wouldn't clear enough AAV

But in reality, no one knows what Dorion is doing, he has shown for 7+ years how clueless he is and that he is simply not made for this job. An extremely lucky context of circumstances has kept him in place.

It's not been reported anywhere that Kubalik has been "shopped" yet, my hypothesis is that he doesn't want to lose face in the DeBrincat fiasco even more. The hope is that Staios forces him to make the only move that makes sense. His deadline SHOULD be when Norris gets back in the lineup. Kubalik is clearly not needed after that

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Joseph - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Tarasenko
Oct. 17, 2023 at 11:27 a.m.
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Some people on this site are so dumb they don’t even realize that the creator of this ACGM is a Colorado fan and not even a Sens fan

But congrats for calling the OP dumb even though he has done nothing to you. He's just trying something out there, which is the point of this forum


Dumb or brilliant? lol

It's been reported that teams were asking for a good compensation to take on Joseph's contract, which Dorion realized was crazy. With the way Joseph has been playing in the 3v3 league this summer (he was the league's superstar over guys like Suzuki, Letang, Dubois, Perron, Drouin, etc), in training camp/preseason and then in the first 3 games of the season, it makes zero sense to move him at all, unless you'd be getting better than what you paid to get him.

With Kleven not being 100% ready, Dorion now realizes that they need Brannstrom, who is not at peak value yet and it wouldn't clear enough AAV

But in reality, no one knows what Dorion is doing, he has shown for 7+ years how clueless he is and that he is simply not made for this job. An extremely lucky context of circumstances has kept him in place.

It's not been reported anywhere that Kubalik has been "shopped" yet, my hypothesis is that he doesn't want to lose face in the DeBrincat fiasco even more. The hope is that Staios forces him to make the only move that makes sense. His deadline SHOULD be when Norris gets back in the lineup. Kubalik is clearly not needed after that

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Joseph - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Tarasenko


There are only a select few on here that I would say approach dumb. More accurately, they are just extreme homers who just severely overvalue their players (note I'm not referring to anyone in this thread). Otherwise, it's just folks who don't understand every aspect of every team (literally all of us) and folks who are a lot more casual about things.

In any case, it is my personal opinion that a team like Chicago, Nashville, Columbus, etc. (teams with cap space that aren't in full tank mode) would be wise to take a guy like Kubalik for free if he was offered. The guy has proven he can score and is still young enough to be a good piece for a handful of years if he finds a fit. If it doesn't work, then it's not a huge deal. Trade him at the deadline or let his contract lapse and move on. No harm no foul.

Others may disagree with this and that's fine. A week ago it took a first to dump Joseph because his contract sucked so bad. Now he'd cost a first because his contract is awesome. Things change and aren't always black and white. It's why there is room for discussion and why such discussion is interesting.
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