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Not reliant on anyone to make cap space

Created by: gavinray
Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 16, 2023
Published: Oct. 16, 2023
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Someone either picks up Kubalik off waivers or he goes to Belleville. If he gets picked up we save an addition ~$1.25m. If not, we can still sign Pinto. Speculation is Dorion offered $1m x 1 year and Pinto's camp wanted $2.5m x 2 years. This signing would be a realistic middle ground.

If Norris remains injured, we can use his contract for LTIR and bring up Kubalik in the meantime. Its a 20 man roster which is not ideal, but it makes us a very deep starting lineup.
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1$1,900,000
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2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$83,500,000$80,912,380$0$1,850,000$2,587,620
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,205,714$8,205,714
LW
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$8,350,000$8,350,000
C
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
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$2,950,000$2,950,000
LW, RW
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$7,950,000$7,950,000
C
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW
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$863,333$863,333
C, LW
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$1,900,000$1,900,000
C
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
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$762,500$762,500
LW
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$835,000$835,000
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$775,000$775,000
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UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$1,850,000$2M)
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
RD
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
LD/RD
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UFA - 2
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD, LW
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
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Oct. 16, 2023 at 4:07 p.m.
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They offered $1m x 1 year and he left town.

Gotta start thinking trade, no?
Oct. 16, 2023 at 4:13 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
They offered $1m x 1 year and he left town.

Gotta start thinking trade, no?


Why would he stay in Ottawa instead of returning home until signed. Reports are that Pinto's camp and Dorion already agree on term and cap hit, the only issue is creating the cap space. Shane hasn't asked for a trade and the Sens would never trade him unless it was for an upgrade.
Oct. 16, 2023 at 4:15 p.m.
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Why would he stay in Ottawa instead of returning home until signed. Reports are that Pinto's camp and Dorion already agree on term and cap hit, the only issue is creating the cap space. Shane hasn't asked for a trade and the Sens would never trade him unless it was for an upgrade.


They have agreed on a contract?
Oct. 16, 2023 at 4:30 p.m.
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They have agreed on a contract?


No chance he agreed to what is above anyway.
Oct. 16, 2023 at 4:49 p.m.
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They have agreed on a contract?


Garrioch has reported the issue isn't money, its creating the cap space.

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No chance he agreed to what is above anyway.


As a 10.2c RFA, he has no leverage. These RFAs typically get signed for less.
Recent examples include Romanov $2.5m x 3 and Durzi who signed to $1.7m x 2 despite putting up more points than Pinto as a defenceman.
Reports were that the initial offer was $1m x 1 year by Ottawa and $2.5m x 2 years by Pinto's so this deal makes sense as a middle ground.
We'll see what he finally signs for, but I think you would be surprised.
Oct. 16, 2023 at 4:50 p.m.
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They offered $1m x 1 year and he left town.

Gotta start thinking trade, no?

He left town to get away from media attention and train seriously...
Oct. 16, 2023 at 4:56 p.m.
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Garrioch has reported the issue isn't money, its creating the cap space.



As a 10.2c RFA, he has no leverage. These RFAs typically get signed for less.
Recent examples include Romanov $2.5m x 3 and Durzi who signed to $1.7m x 2 despite putting up more points than Pinto as a defenceman.
Reports were that the initial offer was $1m x 1 year by Ottawa and $2.5m x 2 years by Pinto's so this deal makes sense as a middle ground.
We'll see what he finally signs for, but I think you would be surprised.


Yeah I’m sure he can’t wait to join the team and organization that continues each and everyday to screw him cause the GM is incompetent. U all talk the same way on here it’s comical. When it comes to his contract he isn’t worth anything and is only a “3C and 10.2c RFA” but when it comes to any trade offers for him it’s “he’s the next top center in the league he must get a McDavid return” I promise you that everyone on this site can’t wait til Pinto signs so we can stop seeing the 150 ACGMs a day from you guys that say the same thing and make the same team and trades under every post lmao
Oct. 16, 2023 at 5:50 p.m.
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Edited Oct. 16, 2023 at 6:18 p.m.
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He left town to get away from media attention and train seriously...


Quoting: gavinray
Garrioch has reported the issue isn't money, its creating the cap space.

As a 10.2c RFA, he has no leverage. These RFAs typically get signed for less.
Recent examples include Romanov $2.5m x 3 and Durzi who signed to $1.7m x 2 despite putting up more points than Pinto as a defenceman.
Reports were that the initial offer was $1m x 1 year by Ottawa and $2.5m x 2 years by Pinto's so this deal makes sense as a middle ground.
We'll see what he finally signs for, but I think you would be surprised.


Interesting. Id probably do the same.

I had read that he wasn’t signing a 1 year deal since he didn’t want to negotiate a long-term deal without Arb rights.

The plan that many fans seem to have (sign 1-year now, long term next summer) is probably the worst outcome for Pinto. So 1-year, 1–year, then long-term….which hard sell to player.

So my uninformed guess…he gets 2-years, but at below market AAV. Maybe $1.5m x 2.
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