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Panic at the Disco

Created by: Mr_Gardoki
Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 25, 2023
Published: Oct. 28, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Help me out VAN fans. I understand this may need tweaking, but is part of the reason for moving Garland to free up space or just looking to change things up?
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. Garland, Conor ($2,450,000 retained)
Additional Details:
The retention is to the third team, not VAN.
VAN
  1. Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (PIT)
2.
PIT
    3rd Team Retention of $2.45M. Doesn't have to be MTL. Any team willing to take on salary for futures.
    MTL
    1. Poulin, Samuel
    2. 2026 2nd round pick (PIT)
    Additional Details:
    3rd Team Retention of $2.45M. Doesn't have to be MTL. Any team willing to take on salary for futures.
    Buyouts
    Retained Salary Transactions
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2024
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    2025
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    2026
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    21$83,500,000$83,439,342$0$0$60,658
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    LW, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
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    $8,700,000$8,700,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 2
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    $5,125,000$5,125,000
    RW, LW
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    LW, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $6,100,000$6,100,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $775,000$775,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
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    $2,450,000$2,450,000
    C
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $925,000$925,000
    LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $2,000,000$2,000,000
    C, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
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    $900,000$900,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $3,125,000$3,125,000
    RW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    LD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 6
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $6,100,000$6,100,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $785,000$785,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $4,025,175$4,025,175
    LD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $10,000,000$10,000,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $5,375,000$5,375,000
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $775,000$775,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $800,000$800,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $775,000$775,000
    LD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    G
    UFA - 1

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    Oct. 28, 2023 at 1:46 p.m.
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    We would be interested in moving him to improve the right side of the Defence. POJ just doesn’t help us.
    Oct. 28, 2023 at 1:46 p.m.
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    What the Canucks are reportedly looking for in a Garland trade is an NHL RHD and to free up a bit of cap space

    If the Canucks aren’t doing the retaining in this trade like you proposed, I do think they would take POJ + a 2nd
    Oct. 28, 2023 at 1:46 p.m.
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    not retaining for multiple years. otherwise I’d say the retention on Garland is going to be at 1.9M max
    Oct. 28, 2023 at 1:48 p.m.
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    Way too much for pay for both parts of this
    Oct. 28, 2023 at 1:48 p.m.
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    as a neutral observer VAN would be insane to not take POJ for Garland retained at 35% or whatever, let alone with no retention and an extra second
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    Oct. 28, 2023 at 1:53 p.m.
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    Quoting: qc14
    as a neutral observer VAN would be insane to not take POJ for Garland retained at 35% or whatever, let alone with no retention and an extra second


    You are right about half of this. The proposal above Van would be insane not to take. But if they are retaining 35% that wouldn't be a good deal for just POJ.
    Oct. 28, 2023 at 2:11 p.m.
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    Quoting: TheGoalieGuru
    We would be interested in moving him to improve the right side of the Defence. POJ just doesn’t help us.


    Ahh gotcha. Unless maybe getting Garland off the books in this trade opens up the space for a secondary trade? I mean if they can make a hockey trade, Garland for an RHD straight up, that would make more sense, but they can flip these futures for an RHD.
    Oct. 28, 2023 at 2:14 p.m.
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    Quoting: future_gm
    not retaining for multiple years. otherwise I’d say the retention on Garland is going to be at 1.9M max


    Yeah, it doesn't have to be MTL and I know that part of the retention may need a little more from the Pens part, but I think maybe another prospect or maybe an additional 3rd would do it. The 3rd party team doesn't have to take an unnecessary/unwanted player and with the cap going up a lot, it will be fairly insignificant for whichever team takes it. MTL, PHI, CHI, etc...
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    Oct. 28, 2023 at 2:21 p.m.
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    I think the 2nd gets used for third-party retention. I'm not sure if it's enough to get the full retention though. So maybe it's like Canucks retains 0.5-1m and gets JPO, third party retains 1.5m-2m and gets a second, and Pittsburg gets Garland 2.5m retained.

    This seems good for all.
    Oct. 28, 2023 at 4:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: SGB88
    I think the 2nd gets used for third-party retention. I'm not sure if it's enough to get the full retention though. So maybe it's like Canucks retains 0.5-1m and gets JPO, third party retains 1.5m-2m and gets a second, and Pittsburg gets Garland 2.5m retained.

    This seems good for all.


    Yeah, I think some machination of what I proposed could be reasonable, and worth it.
    Oct. 28, 2023 at 4:58 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    Yeah, I think some machination of what I proposed could be reasonable, and worth it.


    From the Canucks perspective for sure. I leave the evaluation of Pittsburgh side of the deal to you.

    I love Garland and think he's severely undervalued. Him on that contract retained will be insane value imo. That being said he's just a bad fit with our team structural with the way the roster is designed.
    Oct. 28, 2023 at 5:36 p.m.
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    Quoting: SGB88
    From the Canucks perspective for sure. I leave the evaluation of Pittsburgh side of the deal to you.

    I love Garland and think he's severely undervalued. Him on that contract retained will be insane value imo. That being said he's just a bad fit with our team structural with the way the roster is designed.


    Not every player is a fit on every team. I think he'd fit the Pens system well. If the Pens don't have to give up a first, Pickering or Yager to make all this happen, then I think it's realistic.
    Oct. 28, 2023 at 6:17 p.m.
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    Not every player is a fit on every team. I think he'd fit the Pens system well. If the Pens don't have to give up a first, Pickering or Yager to make all this happen, then I think it's realistic.


    No way they need to do that. I think this does it. Only thing better would be an RD. But a cheap young LD does it IMO. With the cap space you give the Canucks here, they can go find that RD somewhere else, like Peeke.
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    Oct. 28, 2023 at 6:36 p.m.
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    No way they need to do that. I think this does it. Only thing better would be an RD. But a cheap young LD does it IMO. With the cap space you give the Canucks here, they can go find that RD somewhere else, like Peeke.


    I meant more to whichever third party team would retain. They may try to up the stakes, but I think since they wouldn't have to take an actual player they don't need keeps the cost reasonable.
     
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