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Team: 2023-24 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 30, 2023
Published: Oct. 30, 2023
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Description
Next season at the deadline the Flames could retain on:

Johansen
Ceci
Sharangovich
Mangiapane
Trades
1.
CGY
COL
  1. Lindholm, Elias ($2,425,000 retained)
2.
CGY
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. Wanner, Maximus
  3. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Tanev, Christopher ($2,250,000 retained)
3.
CGY
  1. Dean, Zach
  2. Toropchenko, Alexey
  3. 2024 1st round pick (STL)
STL
  1. Hanifin, Noah ($2,475,000 retained)
4.
CGY
  1. Rittich, David
  2. 2025 5th round pick (LAK)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$81,815,833$0$850,000$1,684,167
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 8
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW
RFA - 2
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$3,100,000$3,100,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$5,800,000$5,800,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,300,000$2,300,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$4,900,000$4,900,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 4
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$825,000$825,000
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 8
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$875,000$875,000
G
UFA - 1
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$828,333$828,333
LD
RFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$762,500$762,500
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
C
UFA - 1

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Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:28 p.m.
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Blues aren’t nearly consistent enough to consider moving this or next years first unfortunately. Hanifin would be a great piece to have though. Would also likely need to move out Leddy or Krug to do so and not take a large hit on the offense.
Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:29 p.m.
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Blues aren’t nearly consistent enough to consider moving this or next years first unfortunately. Hanifin would be a great piece to have though. Would also likely need to move out Leddy or Krug to do so and not take a large hit on the offense.


When I was looking at the Blues, what's up with Scandella? Is he moveable at all? A lot of posts have him as a scratch, is he a cap dump at this point?
Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:33 p.m.
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If I never see Rittich in a Flames jersey I will be perfectly content. Switch that to Copley and reduce your expectations for a Vladar return. Targets are fine, I thikn unrealistic that they acquire that many 1st for this upcoming draft and the trade with the Oilers would need to be laden with conditions on the pick I think.

This whole post is essentially full stop at retention and the Flames brass notoriously doesn't pay guys to not play here which is such a backwards approach. Avs lineup would be deadly if LAndeskog could come back for the post season.
Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:37 p.m.
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Quoting: WranglerWranglin
When I was looking at the Blues, what's up with Scandella? Is he moveable at all? A lot of posts have him as a scratch, is he a cap dump at this point?


He’s a bottom pair guy. Personally I don’t like watching him because he has little offensive zone ability yet seems to be activated a lot. However, he’s definitely an NHL player. Recent line changes from Berube have him playing with Parayko right now.

Issue in hand with many of our defenseman on the left side is none of them are capable of playing the usage Parayko is put in to. Yet the FO keeps extending them to term and money with NTCs (Scandella, Leddy). Scandella was hurt most of last season but has played this year and been ok.

Most of the posts you’ve seen most likely have Krug and Perunovich both as starters. Which honestly unless we’re running 11-7 can’t happen. We desperately need an all situations top pair LD. But we can’t really afford to throw the chips on the table that would most likely be required to obtain one.
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Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:38 p.m.
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If I never see Rittich in a Flames jersey I will be perfectly content. Switch that to Copley and reduce your expectations for a Vladar return. Targets are fine, I thikn unrealistic that they acquire that many 1st for this upcoming draft and the trade with the Oilers would need to be laden with conditions on the pick I think.

This whole post is essentially full stop at retention and the Flames brass notoriously doesn't pay guys to not play here which is such a backwards approach. Avs lineup would be deadly if LAndeskog could come back for the post season.


In another post I said that I think Vladar is a waiver claim next season, Copley and a pick would be shooting the lights out. Murry Edwards needs to be thrown off a Swiss Alp at this point.
Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:40 p.m.
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Nope. And not just because the Blues cannot afford that. We're not paying 2 1sts+ for a UFA, let alone one so inconsistent.
Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:40 p.m.
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No thanks. I'd rather have Rittich than Vladar. He's already cleared waivers, so he can pass up and down between the NHL/AHL as needed. He's also significantly cheaper and his contract is up at the end of the season, so the Kings can either re-sign him or go a different option if they so choose.

Retain 50% on Vladar and still no.
Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:40 p.m.
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Oilers say no to that
Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:45 p.m.
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How does my trade for klingberg and a first for tanev 1M retained get mocked but flames fans are alright with this for tanev?
Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:46 p.m.
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Nope. And not just because the Blues cannot afford that. We're not paying 2 1sts+ for a UFA, let alone one so inconsistent.


Oh shoot, how inconsistent is Hanfin??
Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:47 p.m.
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No thanks. I'd rather have Rittich than Vladar. He's already cleared waivers, so he can pass up and down between the NHL/AHL as needed. He's also significantly cheaper and his contract is up at the end of the season, so the Kings can either re-sign him or go a different option if they so choose.

Retain 50% on Vladar and still no.


Everyone would prefer Rittich too Vladar... Fair enough man! Thanks!
Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:48 p.m.
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COL will just keep the assets and have an extra year of RyJo.
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Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:53 p.m.
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How does my trade for klingberg and a first for tanev 1M retained get mocked but flames fans are alright with this for tanev?


Hahah just looking at your two of three posts, it seems to me that you think Klingberg is a prospect and has value beyond what he was traded for last year for a lesser cap hit for some reason. Oilers pick would be similar to the Leafs, potentially a little higher, Ceci actually had significantly better possession numbers than Klingberg last season and he's another piece for a deadline deal next year. Flames get a 1st round pick, a future piece and a player that helps Oilers cap situation that they can sell off @1.625 the following deadline. This deal probably isn't perfect, your deal deserves to be mocked though.
Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:53 p.m.
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Oilers say no to that


Something something, lead a horse to water.
Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.
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Oh shoot, how inconsistent is Hanfin??


Well, compare him two seasons ago to this season. That's a sizable gulf in performance. He's kinda down that his whole career. Up and down and all around.
Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:56 p.m.
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Quoting: WranglerWranglin
Hahah just looking at your two of three posts, it seems to me that you think Klingberg is a prospect and has value beyond what he was traded for last year for a lesser cap hit for some reason. Oilers pick would be similar to the Leafs, potentially a little higher, Ceci actually had significantly better possession numbers than Klingberg last season and he's another piece for a deadline deal next year. Flames get a 1st round pick, a future piece and a player that helps Oilers cap situation that they can sell off 1.625 the following deadline. This deal probably isn't perfect, your deal deserves to be mocked though.


Doesn’t deserved to be mocked I only have him retained by 1M that makes his value a 1st and a 5th and klingberg half retained certainly brings back more than a 5th
Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:58 p.m.
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COL will just keep the assets and have an extra year of RyJo.


You think?? I was thinking along the lines of Lindholm helps with their cap situation next season and gets four million off the books as well in RyJo. With six point something cleared I think you could fill out a roster much better than with Johansen on it.
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:01 p.m.
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Well, compare him two seasons ago to this season. That's a sizable gulf in performance. He's kinda down that his whole career. Up and down and all around.


Certainly, most glaringly he played 81 games that season and only 9 so far this year! He was on a division winning team two years ago, he's on a team that can't get the puck into the offensive zone for any amount of time this season. He is consistently 0.4-0.5 ppg, eats up minutes and plays against the other teams top line. He has his flaws, consistency is far from one of them
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:01 p.m.
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You think?? I was thinking along the lines of Lindholm helps with their cap situation next season and gets four million off the books as well in RyJo. With six point something cleared I think you could fill out a roster much better than with Johansen on it.


RyJo is $4M and has been good as the 2C. Lindholm is going to be what $8M next year, so as good as Lindholm is COL is the realm to of RyJo at $4M is worth as much or more to them than Lindholm minus the assets and cap space. Throw in the Landeskog element and it’s pretty easy to assume COL wouldn’t be able to sign Lindholm and is going to roll the next 2 seasons with RyJo at 2C.
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Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:03 p.m.
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Doesn’t deserved to be mocked I only have him retained by 1M that makes his value a 1st and a 5th and klingberg half retained certainly brings back more than a 5th


That's the dumbest thing ever, his value is what he has been traded for previously then considering his performance this year which is on par with last year so far. Reading the comments on those posts it looks like you have been told why it's a bad idea and then just ignore those comments and continue to push bad ideas. Why has Klingberg magically gained value while having a higher cap hit than last season? He was also traded to a contender last season, you have him going to a team that is moving Chris Tanev because they're selling off pieces because they;re not contenders.. You're right, mocking that deal would be far too kind.
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:05 p.m.
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RyJo is $4M and has been good as the 2C. Lindholm is going to be what $8M next year, so as good as Lindholm is COL is the realm to of RyJo at $4M is worth as much or more to them than Lindholm minus the assets and cap space. Throw in the Landeskog element and it’s pretty easy to assume COL wouldn’t be able to sign Lindholm and is going to roll the next 2 seasons with RyJo at 2C.


You are likely right, just to play devils advocate for conversation purposes, do you think that Avs would be better running out:
Mackinnon/RyJo
Mackinnon/Stephenson
Mackinnon/Wennberg
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:05 p.m.
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Quoting: WranglerWranglin
That's the dumbest thing ever, his value is what he has been traded for previously then considering his performance this year which is on par with last year so far. Reading the comments on those posts it looks like you have been told why it's a bad idea and then just ignore those comments and continue to push bad ideas. Why has Klingberg magically gained value while having a higher cap hit than last season? He was also traded to a contender last season, you have him going to a team that is moving Chris Tanev because they're selling off pieces because they;re not contenders.. You're right, mocking that deal would be far too kind.


Klingberg hasn’t gained value but he’d still bring back more than a 5th half retained he brought back a 3rd last year
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:10 p.m.
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Klingberg hasn’t gained value but he’d still bring back more than a 5th half retained he brought back a 3rd last year


When was that trade that he brought back a 3rd?
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:12 p.m.
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Certainly, most glaringly he played 81 games that season and only 9 so far this year! He was on a division winning team two years ago, he's on a team that can't get the puck into the offensive zone for any amount of time this season. He is consistently 0.4-0.5 ppg, eats up minutes and plays against the other teams top line. He has his flaws, consistency is far from one of them


I was mostly talking about his own zone play, which is definitely very inconsistent. And I hate to break it to ya, but he's one not insignificant reason the Flames have fallen off. You can see how his goal share and xG share numbers vacillate all over the place.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20212022&playerid=8478396&sit=5v5&stype=2

Also, he tends to struggle in the playoffs for some reason.
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:13 p.m.
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When was that trade that he brought back a 3rd?


Sorry he brought back a 4th and 2 prospects which is essentially a 3rd and he had a higher cap hit then, so I do believe he’d bring back a 3rd still he’s having a great year or a 4th at the very worst which is still more valuable then a 5th last time I checked
 
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