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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 5, 2023
Published: Nov. 5, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,000,000
1$800,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (TBL)
  2. 2024 4th round pick (CHI)
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3.
SJS
  1. Samsonov, Ilya
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (NYI)
4.
TOR
  1. Andersson, Rasmus ($1,550,000 retained)
CGY
  1. Knies, Matthew
  2. Timmins, Conor
  3. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
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2024
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2025
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2026
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21$83,500,000$83,331,450$0$0$168,550
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
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UFA - 2
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$796,667$796,667
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RFA - 1
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
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UFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
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UFA - 1
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
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$800,000$800,000
RW
UFA
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$775,000$775,000
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RFA - 1
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
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UFA - 4
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
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UFA - 3
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$762,500$762,500
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UFA - 7
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 7
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$875,000$875,000
G
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
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UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
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RFA - 1

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Nov. 5, 2023 at 11:37 a.m.
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Preds pass. No need for a Jarny reunion.
Nov. 5, 2023 at 11:37 a.m.
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I assume you weren’t putting much thought into value with that Parayko trade. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt because otherwise that’s is a laughably piss poor offer for Parayko. Hell this doesn’t come close to Faulk let alone Parayko
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Nov. 5, 2023 at 11:41 a.m.
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In what world do the Blues even consider such a self-inflicted beating for one nanosecond?
Nov. 5, 2023 at 11:59 a.m.
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Blues aren't trading Parayko
Nov. 5, 2023 at 12:03 p.m.
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I assume you weren’t putting much thought into value with that Parayko trade. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt because otherwise that’s is a laughably piss poor offer for Parayko. Hell this doesn’t come close to Faulk let alone Parayko


Niemela alone is a good return for an overpriced 2nd pair defenceman with way too much term.
Nov. 5, 2023 at 12:07 p.m.
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Nashville and St. Louis decline and leaf’s decline the flames
Nov. 5, 2023 at 12:22 p.m.
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In what world do the Blues even consider such a self-inflicted beating for one nanosecond?


The beating comes from Toronto moving Minten and Niemela for an overrated 2RD with a god awful contract.
Nov. 5, 2023 at 12:22 p.m.
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Zero reason for SJ to roll 3 NHL goaltenders. Take Blackwood or Kahkonen instead and it's a deal
Nov. 5, 2023 at 12:24 p.m.
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Thats An Easy Flames Decline, You’re Not Even In The Ballpark
Nov. 5, 2023 at 12:42 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
Niemela alone is a good return for an overpriced 2nd pair defenceman with way too much term.


lol you gotta be stop being such a homer man.
Parayko is a #2 dman at worst with potential to be a #1 especially being a RHD, Neimala isnt the type of dman the blues go after.
he covers the blues taking back klingberg
Nov. 5, 2023 at 2:49 p.m.
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Thats An Easy Flames Decline, You’re Not Even In The Ballpark


It's only a bit worse than 1st and Savoie but I do agree Calgary would decline this. Don't see Toronto making Knies available either anyways
Nov. 5, 2023 at 3:05 p.m.
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lol you gotta be stop being such a homer man.
Parayko is a #2 dman at worst with potential to be a #1 especially being a RHD, Neimala isnt the type of dman the blues go after.
he covers the blues taking back klingberg


He's been exposed since Pietrangelo left. He's a secondary player and gets paid like he's top defenceman.
Nov. 5, 2023 at 3:16 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
He's been exposed since Pietrangelo left. He's a secondary player and gets paid like he's top defenceman.


6.5m per year is not being paid like a top defenseman. And no he hasn’t gotten exposed since Pietrangelo left. The Blues lack of two-way responsibility from their forwards along with the movement towards puck movers on the back end have left the team exposed.

There no possible outcome where you can consistently watch the Blues and say yeah Parayko is the problem here. My lord I swear there’s a hive minded group out there that is incapable of viewing and making a decision without trying to overanalyze non all encompassing models to label a player.
Nov. 5, 2023 at 3:27 p.m.
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He's been exposed since Pietrangelo left. He's a secondary player and gets paid like he's top defenceman.


What? He’s being paid 6.5 mil which is less that Reilly who he’s objectively better than.
He also hasn’t been exposed he just hasn’t had a good partner
Nov. 5, 2023 at 3:54 p.m.
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6.5m per year is not being paid like a top defenseman. And no he hasn’t gotten exposed since Pietrangelo left. The Blues lack of two-way responsibility from their forwards along with the movement towards puck movers on the back end have left the team exposed.

There no possible outcome where you can consistently watch the Blues and say yeah Parayko is the problem here. My lord I swear there’s a hive minded group out there that is incapable of viewing and making a decision without trying to overanalyze non all encompassing models to label a player.


6.5 million is way too much for a guy who needs a better partner to succeed
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Nov. 5, 2023 at 4:37 p.m.
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6.5m per year is not being paid like a top defenseman. And no he hasn’t gotten exposed since Pietrangelo left. The Blues lack of two-way responsibility from their forwards along with the movement towards puck movers on the back end have left the team exposed.

There no possible outcome where you can consistently watch the Blues and say yeah Parayko is the problem here. My lord I swear there’s a hive minded group out there that is incapable of viewing and making a decision without trying to overanalyze non all encompassing models to label a player.


Not saying he's the problem but he's certainly not able to be an elite shutdown player, the results prove that.
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Nov. 5, 2023 at 4:49 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
6.5 million is way too much for a guy who needs a better partner to succeed



Quoting: AC14
6.5m per year is not being paid like a top defenseman. And no he hasn’t gotten exposed since Pietrangelo left. The Blues lack of two-way responsibility from their forwards along with the movement towards puck movers on the back end have left the team exposed.

There no possible outcome where you can consistently watch the Blues and say yeah Parayko is the problem here. My lord I swear there’s a hive minded group out there that is incapable of viewing and making a decision without trying to overanalyze non all encompassing models to label a player.


Yeah, this is my problem with Parayko. Blues fans will constantly tell you "oh but his partner is bad... oh but our forwards aren't two way guys!!"

Newsflash, if Parayko was as good as they make him out to be, he wouldn't need such a supporting cast around him for him to play into his contract. He fell off once Pietro left and literally no team should be interested in paying him 6.5m until he's 37 lmao. Good dmen can still perform decently on bad teams. Giving a bunch of excuses for Parayko's mid tier performance the past 2-3 seasons is such a cop out. It's much easier to admit he's not the player he once was, and it's not looking too good entering his 30's either.

In the end, Blues can happily keep him, and Toronto will be staying very far away.
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Nov. 5, 2023 at 4:52 p.m.
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What? He’s being paid 6.5 mil which is less that Reilly who he’s objectively better than.
He also hasn’t been exposed he just hasn’t had a good partner


Reilly might have some mid D numbers (which have been pretty good so far, and in the playoffs), but I'm taking him at 7.5 over a washed Parayko at 6.5
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Nov. 5, 2023 at 5:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
It's only a bit worse than 1st and Savoie but I do agree Calgary would decline this. Don't see Toronto making Knies available either anyways

It’s a moot point considering I can’t imagine the Flames ever Trading Andersson or making him available

I guess Knies is considered a top prospect, but I’m not all that convinced and don’t see the need for him. Duehr seems just as good.

Bobby McMann probably does just as good or better than Knies if he’s playing on the Leafs. I’d give him a try, because if you don’t know me by now, I’m cheap and always looking for value and the next diamond in the rough lol
Nov. 5, 2023 at 5:36 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
It’s a moot point considering I can’t imagine the Flames ever Trading Andersson or making him available

I guess Knies is considered a top prospect, but I’m not all that convinced and don’t see the need for him. Duehr seems just as good.

Bobby McMann probably does just as good or better than Knies if he’s playing on the Leafs. I’d give him a try, because if you don’t know me by now, I’m cheap and always looking for value and the next diamond in the rough lol


Im sorry but putting Duehr and Knies in the same category is asinine. Knies is more in line with Coronato potential
Nov. 5, 2023 at 5:41 p.m.
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Reilly might have some mid D numbers (which have been pretty good so far, and in the playoffs), but I'm taking him at 7.5 over a washed Parayko at 6.5


Is Parayko is washed then 90% of the leagues dman including Reilly are dead
Nov. 5, 2023 at 5:46 p.m.
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Im sorry but putting Duehr and Knies in the same category is asinine. Knies is more in line with Coronato potential

No way lol and you’re talking “potential”, I’m talking about who’s better right now

Coronato’s down in the AHL for good reason and Duehr’s been much better than him both last year and this year.

Duehr has a Great Shot as well & Much Better Speed, but Coronato has the Better Puck Handling/Carrying Ability and Higher Hockey IQ, so yes, I would hope he becomes a better player and agree he has the higher ceiling. That said, we have a late bloomer and something special in Duehr who has been compared at times to Zack Hyman

I need to watch Knies more, but Duehr for sure deserves more ice time given how effective he’s been. I mean, Duehr has contributed just as much offence as Knies with 50% less ice time and nowhere near the same amount of talent beside him. Maybe you think he’s just lucky, but not me. The kid has good size, skill & instinct
Nov. 5, 2023 at 6:38 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
Not saying he's the problem but he's certainly not able to be an elite shutdown player, the results prove that.


What elite shutdown player in the league has a partner that is as inept as Scandella, Leddy, and or Mikkola? Then ask. What other shutdown player is used 20 + minutes a night with 2/3rds defensive zone starts against other teams top competition generally.

He’s put in a position to fail. Does he have weaknesses? Sure but they aren’t in defensive areas. He’s not a great first passer. Although this year he has been much much better in that regard.

The Blues construction as a whole has tumbled since Pietrangelo left and it’s mainly due to a shift towards being a transition team which they utterly failed at creating that.

To compensate we’ve put a few guys in mostly unwinnable circumstances. They shockingly to no one who sees what they are being asked to do, play well below career norms and then go elsewhere and flourish. I’m not trying to say that Parayko is Makar or Hughes or really even a top 10 defenseman. But he is certainly worth the 6.5 he is paid and most likely will be until the last couple of seasons of the contract barring injury.
Nov. 5, 2023 at 8:25 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
It’s a moot point considering I can’t imagine the Flames ever Trading Andersson or making him available

I guess Knies is considered a top prospect, but I’m not all that convinced and don’t see the need for him. Duehr seems just as good.

Bobby McMann probably does just as good or better than Knies if he’s playing on the Leafs. I’d give him a try, because if you don’t know me by now, I’m cheap and always looking for value and the next diamond in the rough lol


Your assessment of Knies compared to McMann is something you should probably delete. It kills all your credibility.
Nov. 5, 2023 at 8:26 p.m.
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Is Parayko is washed then 90% of the leagues dman including Reilly are dead


Rielly has better results than Parayko much better results. And makes 1 million more. You're being silly at this point
 
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