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TANEV

Created by: fangm
Team: 2023-24 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 6, 2023
Published: Nov. 6, 2023
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Listing to 32 Thoughts as they talk about Tanev.

So he has a no-trade clause, and Elliotte Friedman said he believes the clause tries to keep him in Canada. So I wanted to play this out to see what he might go for and where he might go...

Bad teams that won't trade for him
1. Flyers
2. Sharks
3. Blackhawks
4. Predators
5. Ducks
6. Montreal

Teams that don't need D:
1. Wild
2. Kraken
3. Blues
4. Arizona
5. Penguins
6. Blue Jackets
7. Islanders
8. Hurricanes
9. Devils
10. Sabres
11. Red Wings
12. Ottawa

Teams on No-Trade:
1. Bruins
2. Lightning
3. Panthers
4. Rangers
5. Capitals
6. Stars
7. Avs
8. Knights
9. Kings

So he still has 1 No-Trade spot left and we've already crossed off all US teams as suitors. Let's say that 1 spot goes to Winnipeg

So he can realistically be moved to:
1. Vancouver
2. Edmonton
3. Toronto

This is the same conclusion that Elliotte reached. Then he said that Vancouver/Edmonton are highly unlikely because of fan backlash if they win with Tanev.

So realistically he can only stay in Calgary or go to Toronto unless there is a major injury on another team not on his no-trade or Toronto offers so little that another team will pay just to have him lower in the lineup. So it's like the Gio trade where Calgary is unlikely to get much.

So if we assume we can get the Gio return for Tanev why not do what Eliotte said that Calgary is already doing and working the phones to try and move him TODAY for non-futures.
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2024
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2025
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2026
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21$83,500,000$77,937,500$0$0$5,562,500
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
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$4,850,000$4,850,000
C, RW
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$5,800,000$5,800,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
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$3,100,000$3,100,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$4,900,000$4,900,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 4
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$762,500$762,500
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,300,000$2,300,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
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$825,000$825,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 8
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3
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$1,237,500$1,237,500
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
G
UFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
LD
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
C
UFA - 1

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Nov. 6, 2023 at 10:58 p.m.
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if all this leads to the case being that it's trade Tanev to Toronto or lose that value for Calgary - how's Klingberg + 3rd? Lol. I know that doesn't get it done but Leafs would much rather find a way to keep Bertuzzi and still bring in Tanev.
Nov. 6, 2023 at 10:58 p.m.
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Great Analysis. Spot on.

People like @yycofred @oilfire and others could really learn something from you.
Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:00 p.m.
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Quoting: leafs101
if all this leads to the case being that it's trade Tanev to Toronto or lose that value for Calgary - how's Klingberg + 3rd? Lol. I know that doesn't get it done but Leafs would much rather find a way to keep Bertuzzi and still bring in Tanev.


If the offer is that low someone who doesn't need him throws a 2nd at them just to throw him on the 3rd pair as extra insurance. Like how Toronto took Gustafson last deadline just to sit him.

Offer needs to be high enough to avoid someone just taking him to bury
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Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Rajvinder
If the offer is that low someone who doesn't need him throws a 2nd at them just to throw him on the 3rd pair as extra insurance. Like how Toronto took Gustafson last deadline just to sit him.

Offer needs to be high enough to avoid someone just taking him to bury


ik was joking. And look I'd probably accept the trade but I'd much prefer to find a way to keep Bert and still bring in Tanev
Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:02 p.m.
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This is laughable. IF Tanev is Traded , it’s gonna be for a nice return, which this is not
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Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Rajvinder
Great Analysis. Spot on.

People like yycofred oilfire and others could really learn something from you.


Keep my name out yo damn mouth.
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Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:04 p.m.
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if it came to moving Bert, I think we'd at least want a F supplement - thoughts on:

Tanev (50% ret.) + Dube for Bertuzzi + Timmins

would probably rather do a futures deal but like we need D help so if moving roster players is what it takes I'd at least entertain it. Though even at that idk that I would, whether the value on this deal is better for Toronto or not.
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Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:04 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
This is laughable. IF Tanev is Traded , it’s gonna be for a nice return, which this is not


Yes Sir. Master KingofRnR, knower of all. Let's ignore the great analysis of hockey insiders and all bow down to your incredible knowledge.

Again I have to wonder, why do we have NHL GMs when you sir are so knowledgeable. You should just run every team and make all the trades because nobody other than you knows the true value of players.

I'm so sorry for posting anything that has a rational basis. From now on I will base all trade proposals upon your valuation of players and trades, nothing else.
Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:05 p.m.
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Quoting: oilfire
Keep my name out yo damn mouth.


Lol aren't you used to it by now. Can't be the class clown without everyone laughing at you.

Thank you Rajvinder.
Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:06 p.m.
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You're ignoring the very real possibility that Tanev waives to go to any contender, heck I'd bet he waives for almost anywhere just to escape this dumpster fire in a contract year. He's not getting many negotiating points on this team.
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Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:10 p.m.
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I'm thinking that this deal as it is wouldn't work for Calgary. Tanev I feel provides much more value to Calgary than Bertuzzi likely would. Not saying a deal like this couldn't happen but just thinking that in order for Calgary to have any desire to do this, there has to be some reason to do it. Their team doesn't get better, it might actually get worse. Tanev isn't playing bad so a change of scenery type deal doesn't make sense. Bert for cap purposes sure, but has to be some incentive for the Flames I would think.

Also I know they think he might use his no trade to stay in Canada, but playing on a team like Colorado, Dallas or Florida has its benefits.
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Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:10 p.m.
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Quoting: fangm
Lol aren't you used to it by now. Can't be the class clown without everyone laughing at you.

Thank you Rajvinder.


I may be a clown 🤡 but at least I'm not crazy, yall post the exact same thing 3 times a day expecting a different response.
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Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Rajvinder
Great Analysis. Spot on.

People like yycofred oilfire and others could really learn something from you.


If you think this is great analysis then it certainly explains why you don't know the difference between xGF% and OixGF% is eh??

This would mean that all those things are mutually exclusive which obviously isn't true, guy has put 6 or 7 of the top teams in the NHL on a 33 year old players no trade list that has an expiring contract, he has to go play there for 3 months and then pick where he wants to play.. first flaw in the logic. If you don't think Dallas could use a RD on a right side of Lundkvist and Hakanpaa, you're lost, if you don't think that you can apply that logic to plenty of other teams, you're lost.

Calgary has put a hold on all contract talks, if you don't think that screams "looking for futures" well then no one can really help you.

GM's don't care about an expiring UFA going to a competitor in a year they're looking to gain picks, that's mental midget talk.

I would love to agree with you guys but then all of us would just be wrong!
Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:13 p.m.
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Quoting: fangm
Yes Sir. Master KingofRnR, knower of all. Let's ignore the great analysis of hockey insiders and all bow down to your incredible knowledge.

Again I have to wonder, why do we have NHL GMs when you sir are so knowledgeable. You should just run every team and make all the trades because nobody other than you knows the true value of players.

I'm so sorry for posting anything that has a rational basis. From now on I will base all trade proposals upon your valuation of players and trades, nothing else.

That’s Right, Bow Down to the Fantasy GM That’s Greater Than You 🙇‍♂️

Such Great Analysis that doesn’t hold water, since EDM & VAN and Plenty of other Teams are interested in Tanev, yet you couldn’t even be bothered to check or know that Bertuzzi has a No Movement Clause and that IF we Tradr Tanev, it’ll be for a piece of need or value and/or futures, not another Pending UFA, unless that’s for Nylander who comes with an extension in place. Work on that Trade Package Young Grasshopper, cause that’s far more likely

And if not Nylander, make it around Knies or Liljegren
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Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:23 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
That’s Right, Bow Down to the Fantasy GM That’s Greater Than You 🙇‍♂️

Such Great Analysis that doesn’t hold water, since EDM & VAN and Plenty of other Teams are interested in Tanev, yet you couldn’t even be bothered to check or know that Bertuzzi has a No Movement Clause and that IF we Tradr Tanev, it’ll be for a piece of need or value and/or futures, not another Pending UFA, unless that’s for Nylander who comes with an extension in place. Work on that Trade Package Young Grasshopper, cause that’s far more likely

And if not Nylander, make it around Knies or Liljegren


Yes Master.

This analysis totally against what Elliotte Friedman said he heard from INSIDE THE FLAMES ORGANIZATION is definitely more reliable and I will blindly follow like my castrated friend Mr. @oilfire
Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:27 p.m.
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If you think this is great analysis then it certainly explains why you don't know the difference between xGF% and OixGF% is eh??

This would mean that all those things are mutually exclusive which obviously isn't true, guy has put 6 or 7 of the top teams in the NHL on a 33 year old players no trade list that has an expiring contract, he has to go play there for 3 months and then pick where he wants to play.. first flaw in the logic. If you don't think Dallas could use a RD on a right side of Lundkvist and Hakanpaa, you're lost, if you don't think that you can apply that logic to plenty of other teams, you're lost.

Calgary has put a hold on all contract talks, if you don't think that screams "looking for futures" well then no one can really help you.

GM's don't care about an expiring UFA going to a competitor in a year they're looking to gain picks, that's mental midget talk.

I would love to agree with you guys but then all of us would just be wrong!


Where to start.

1. So he can't go to teams on his no-trade, he won't go to a team that doesn't need him (unless the price is dirt cheap), rebuilders won't pay for him. So YES they are exclusive.

2. I put Dallas on his No-Trade because they would try to trade for him.

3. It's very common for players to only have playoff teams on their No-Trade. Why would he put San Jose when there is ZERO chance that San Jose would trade for him? Unlike you I'm assuming Tanev's agent understands the basics of rational thinking.
Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:27 p.m.
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Quoting: oilfire
I may be a clown 🤡 but at least I'm not crazy, yall post the exact same thing 3 times a day expecting a different response.


Oilers and Flames fan?

You are either crazy or bipolar.
Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:30 p.m.
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Yes Master.

This analysis totally against what Elliotte Friedman said he heard from INSIDE THE FLAMES ORGANIZATION is definitely more reliable and I will blindly follow like my castrated friend Mr. oilfire


I think you misheard or are reading too deep into what Friedman said, from what I remember he and Marek talked about it for 5 mins, and concluded that Conroy would be risking his job trading with Toronto or Edmonton.

Kyper said Calgary should expect Knies or Cowan or Minten in return.

You're obviously sick of talking to me, quit dragging me back in.
Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:31 p.m.
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Oilers and Flames fan?

You are either crazy or bipolar.


Why can't it be both?
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Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:42 p.m.
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I doubt fan backlash comes into play much when measured against getting the best deal available. One is clearly the priority. Backlash will fade very quickly while that 1st round pick or whatever will be a focus for years to come.
Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:45 p.m.
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I doubt fan backlash comes into play much when measured against getting the best deal available. One is clearly the priority. Backlash will fade very quickly while that 1st round pick or whatever will be a focus for years to come.


Not sure how true this is. If it was you'd see way more inter-division trades.
Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:46 p.m.
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Why can't it be both?


Pretty inappropriate to infer that bipolar people are crazy. Have some respect
Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:46 p.m.
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Where to start.

1. So he can't go to teams on his no-trade, he won't go to a team that doesn't need him (unless the price is dirt cheap), rebuilders won't pay for him. So YES they are exclusive.

2. I put Dallas on his No-Trade because they would try to trade for him.

3. It's very common for players to only have playoff teams on their No-Trade. Why would he put San Jose when there is ZERO chance that San Jose would trade for him? Unlike you I'm assuming Tanev's agent understands the basics of rational thinking.


Lists are submitted at the beginning of the year and they don't change. If you genuinely believe Boston, Vegas, LA, Colorado, Dallas are all on that list you're a moron, beyond that, if you think they are on the list and he wouldn't waive to get out of Calgary, you are intentionally being dumb for attention.

Name the other players that only have playoff teams on their no trade list... you can't just throw that out there to feel right when it's complete BS..

It's also interesting that you are ignoring Bertuzzi's NMC or expecting him to waive for a team selling assets but it would be completely otherworldly for Tanev to consider waiving to go to a top team in the league.
Nov. 6, 2023 at 11:47 p.m.
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Pretty inappropriate to infer that bipolar people are crazy. Have some respect


Either or excuses my insensitivity
Nov. 7, 2023 at 12:14 a.m.
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Lol what? You definitely don't have access to his no trade list lol
 
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