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Good comparables for Zadorov

Created by: Byrr
Team: 2023-24 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 10, 2023
Published: Nov. 10, 2023
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Who are the good comparable trades for Zadorov? Here's a shrot list of recently moved, non-1st pair defensemen and their returns. I avoided RFAs like Sandin and Durzi because they all would still be at an age where they are expected to get better and have a lot of team control remaining. They'd make for lousy comparables.
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1.
ANA
    2025 4th round pick
    2.
    CGY
    1. Petry, Jeff
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    50% retained
    DET
      2025 4th round pick
      Gustav Lindström
      3.
      NJD
        5th Round Pick
        4.
        CGY
        1. Edmundson, Joel
        Additional Details:
        50% retained
        WSH
          2024 3rd round pick
          2025 7th round pick
          5.
          CBJ
            2023 3rd round pick
            6.
            DET
              2026 3rd round pick
              7.
              CGY
              1. Hronek, Filip
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              2023 4th round pick
              2 seasons of term
              VAN
                2023 1st round pick
                2023 2nd round pick
                8.
                NSH
                  2023 3rd round pick
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                  2024
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                  2025
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                  2026
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                  25$83,500,000$83,832,916$0$227,500-$332,916
                  Left WingCentreRight Wing
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                  $10,500,000$10,500,000
                  LW, RW
                  NMC
                  UFA - 8
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                  $7,000,000$7,000,000
                  C
                  NMC
                  UFA - 6
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                  $5,800,000$5,800,000
                  RW, LW
                  M-NTC
                  UFA - 2
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                  $3,100,000$3,100,000
                  C, LW, RW
                  UFA - 2
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                  $5,350,000$5,350,000
                  C
                  NMC
                  UFA - 1
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                  $4,900,000$4,900,000
                  RW, LW
                  NTC
                  UFA - 4
                  Logo of the Calgary Flames
                  $762,500$762,500
                  LW, C
                  UFA - 1
                  Logo of the Calgary Flames
                  $4,850,000$4,850,000
                  C, RW
                  UFA - 1
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                  $825,000$825,000
                  RW
                  UFA - 2
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                  $2,300,000$2,300,000
                  LW, RW, C
                  RFA - 1
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                  $775,000$775,000
                  RW
                  RFA - 1
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                  $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
                  LW, C
                  RFA - 2
                  Logo of the Calgary Flames
                  $762,500$762,500
                  RW, LW
                  UFA - 1
                  Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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                  $687,500$687,500
                  RD
                  UFA - 1
                  Logo of the Calgary Flames
                  $3,750,000$3,750,000
                  LD/RD
                  UFA - 1
                  Logo of the Calgary Flames
                  $6,000,000$6,000,000
                  G
                  NMC
                  UFA - 3
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                  $2,343,750$2,343,750
                  RD
                  M-NTC, NMC
                  UFA - 2
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                  $2,200,000$2,200,000
                  G
                  UFA - 2
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                  $875,000$875,000
                  LD/RD
                  M-NTC
                  UFA - 1
                  Logo of the Calgary Flames
                  $813,333$813,333 (Performance Bonus$15,000$15K)
                  G
                  RFA - 1
                  Logo of the New Jersey Devils
                  $1,850,000$1,850,000
                  RD
                  UFA - 1
                  Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
                  $6,250,000$6,250,000
                  RD
                  NTC
                  UFA - 8
                  Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
                  $4,125,000$4,125,000
                  LD/RD
                  M-NTC
                  UFA - 1
                  Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
                  $4,400,000$4,400,000
                  RD
                  RFA - 1
                  Logo of the Nashville Predators
                  $2,750,000$2,750,000
                  RD
                  UFA - 3
                  ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
                  Logo of the Calgary Flames
                  $4,550,000$4,550,000
                  RD
                  UFA - 3
                  Logo of the Calgary Flames
                  $1,237,500$1,237,500
                  LD
                  M-NTC
                  UFA - 1
                  Logo of the Calgary Flames
                  $762,500$762,500
                  LD
                  UFA - 1
                  Logo of the Calgary Flames
                  $1,125,000$1,125,000
                  RD
                  M-NTC
                  UFA - 1
                  Logo of the Calgary Flames
                  $762,500$762,500
                  RD
                  UFA - 1
                  Logo of the Calgary Flames
                  $6,250,000$6,250,000
                  LD/RD
                  NTC
                  UFA - 8
                  Logo of the Calgary Flames
                  $2,500,000$2,500,000
                  LD/RD
                  UFA - 1
                  Logo of the Calgary Flames
                  $1,300,000$1,300,000
                  C
                  UFA - 1

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                  Nov. 10, 2023 at 11:51 p.m.
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                  I figure he'd probably cost a 2nd, but given we don't have one go with a protected first and Klingberg for Zadorov and a depth guy. Maybe Ruzicka?
                  Nov. 10, 2023 at 11:54 p.m.
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                  I'd think Edmundson is the closest comparable but I think Zadorov would go for a bit more. 2nd plus prospect/bottom 6 roster player
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                  Nov. 10, 2023 at 11:57 p.m.
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                  Quoting: Mediumyeet
                  I'd think Edmundson is the closest comparable but I think Zadorov would go for a bit more. 2nd plus prospect/bottom 6 roster player


                  If I was going to throw out a guess, I'd probably go with a 3rd + a prospect given the recent history of dman trades.
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                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:03 a.m.
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                  Retaining could get you anywhere from a 1st -3rd depending on how much you retain. + a player back and propsect. i would guess.
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                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:03 a.m.
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                  Quoting: Mediumyeet
                  I'd think Edmundson is the closest comparable but I think Zadorov would go for a bit more. 2nd plus prospect/bottom 6 roster player

                  Quoting: Byrr
                  If I was going to throw out a guess, I'd probably go with a 3rd + a prospect given the recent history of dman trades.

                  The most recent Edmundson Trade is a very weak comparable considering Edmundson’s career should probably be and is most likely soon to be over, given his back is shot

                  He hasn’t been able to play a full season in, well EVER!

                  I’m missed about this news, so don’t mind me but we are expecting a high return if Zadorov gets Traded. Like somewhere around Ben Chiarot high
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:05 a.m.
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                  Quoting: KingofRnR
                  The most recent Edmundson Trade is a very weak comparable considering Edmundson’s career should probably be and is most likely soon to be over, given his back is shot

                  He hasn’t been able to play a full season in, well EVER!

                  I’m kissed about this news, so don’t mind me but we are expecting a high return if Zadorov gets Traded. Like somewhere around Ben Chiarot high


                  Given most Flames fans opinions so far on CapFriendly, this is a very generous usage of the word 'we'.
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:06 a.m.
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                  Nhl gms love the big “defensive defenseman” types. See chariot and savard. Those are the more likely compareables imo. I personally don’t value him that high but based on prior trades that seems to be the going rate for those kinds of players. Several of these trades were made in the off-season to dump money so they accepted a lower value.
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                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:09 a.m.
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                  Quoting: Byrr
                  Given most Flames fans opinions so far on CapFriendly, this is a very generous usage of the word 'we'.

                  I don’t think you’ve been following the posts other than the ones coming up tonight and there’s only one saying he wouldn’t expect to get a 1st for Zadorov straight up, but with retention he could
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:11 a.m.
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                  Quoting: TyeZerker
                  Retaining could get you anywhere from a 1st -3rd depending on how much you retain. + a player back and propsect. i would guess.


                  I don't think you're going to get a 1st round pick for retaining less than $2M for 75% of a season.

                  If Calgary retains 50%, they can get a 2nd and an ok prospect. If they retain 50% and take back an expiring contract, they can get a 2nd and a good prospect. If they don't retain and don't take back a contract, they'll likely only get a 3rd.
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:17 a.m.
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                  When looking for comparable players, you have to have comparable situations too.

                  I don't think most of the guys listed were pending UFAs. Zadorov is both a pending UFA and signed pretty cheap. He's a low-end #4, high-end #5, he's big, physical, he can skate and he can score.

                  I think if the Flames eat 50%, we can get a 2nd+ for him, maybe a 1st if a team is desperate for defensive help.
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                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:19 a.m.
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                  Quoting: Lunatik
                  When looking for comparable players, you have to have comparable situations too.

                  I don't think most of the guys listed were pending UFAs. Zadorov is both a pending UFA and signed pretty cheap. He's a low-end #4, high-end #5, he's big, physical, he can skate and he can score.

                  I think if the Flames eat 50%, we can get a 2nd+ for him, maybe a 1st if a team is desperate for defensive help.


                  I mean being a pending UFA would only lower his value compared to someone with term unless it was a cap dump. Also let's not try to pretend Zadorov is a big goal scoring defenseman when he's had 1 season with more than 10 goals and is currently on pace for 7 in the current season.
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:22 a.m.
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                  Honestly I could see a toronto trade where they give up klingberg and a first/second and good prospect for zadorov 50% retained.
                  Dump a terrible klingberg and gain a much needed zadorov, probably could extend him as well.
                  Just spitballing so don’t crucify me lol
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:24 a.m.
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                  I mean being a pending UFA would only lower his value compared to someone with term unless it was a cap dump.

                  Not when teams have little to no cap space. Rentals always get more than summer deals because it's more of a sellers market.
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:24 a.m.
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                  Quoting: Lunatik
                  Not when teams have little to no cap space. Rentals always get more than summer deals because it's more of a sellers market.


                  You have a very misperceived view of trade values. Rentals do not get more than summer deals.
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:26 a.m.
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                  You have a very misperceived view of trade values. Rentals do not get more than summer deals.

                  They do when no teams have cap space. Look at this past summer, it was clearly a buyers market.
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:26 a.m.
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                  Quoting: Lunatik
                  They do when no teams have cap space. Look at this past summer, it was clearly a buyers market.


                  I can look at more than just this summer, I can look at many summers, and they will all show that you have no basis for this claim.
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:28 a.m.
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                  I can look at more than just this summer, I can look at many summers, and they will all show that you have no basis for this claim.

                  I was specially talking about no cap space due to the flat cap Einstein. If you are going to argue, learn to read.
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:32 a.m.
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                  Quoting: Lunatik
                  I was specially talking about no cap space due to the flat cap Einstein. If you are going to argue, learn to read.


                  So do you think only this season had a flat cap?
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:35 a.m.
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                  Slipping Hronek is in here as a comp sure is a choice
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:35 a.m.
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                  Quoting: The_Rocket
                  Slipping Hronek is in here as a comp sure is a choice


                  More examples provides a better picture. Hronek adds context to what a defenseman who gets 1st back looks like.
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:36 a.m.
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                  So do you think only this season had a flat cap?

                  No, but I do think this was the worst, which was why we saw no trades on teh draft floor.
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:37 a.m.
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                  Edited Nov. 11, 2023 at 12:47 a.m.
                  Quoting: Lunatik
                  No, but I do think this was the worst, which was why we saw no trades on teh draft floor.


                  But that would effect more than just the draft floor, right? How about the summer as a whole? Would that not be better context?

                  It's kind of like trying to claim that it will be busy trade deadline because no trade was made the Thursday the week before and the GMs are all waiting.
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 8:02 a.m.
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                  Ben Chiarot is the obvious one. Severson isn't comparable, he's better, more of an offensive D-man and was a UFA in 3 weeks. NJ got a 3rd because they let CBJ get the 8th year.
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 8:06 a.m.
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                  Quoting: bhavikp27
                  Ben Chiarot is the obvious one. Severson isn't comparable, he's better, more of an offensive D-man and was a UFA in 3 weeks. NJ got a 3rd because they let CBJ get the 8th year.


                  People always like to say Chiarot is a comparable but no one has used him as one since his trade. He's not a comparable for anything, he's an outlier. Half a dozen fanbases, including half the trades above, have tried to say 'we'll get more, just look at what Chariot got' then didn't get more.
                  Nov. 11, 2023 at 8:14 a.m.
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                  People always like to say Chiarot is a comparable but no one has used him as one since his trade. He's not a comparable for anything, he's an outlier. Half a dozen fanbases, including half the trades above, have tried to say 'we'll get more, just look at what Chariot got' then didn't get more.


                  I don't know for the others, people often overestimate their players but I think Chiarot is the exact comparable. The type of players GMs love to overrate, both big players, both really physical and lots of teams will be interested. Zadorov is younger and doesn't have a M-NTC like Chiarot. Playoffs' experience and time on ice are different but I'm confident the asking price will be a 1st and they will get it (unless Conroy is really dumb).
                   
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