Leafs accept but I’d even give you that for tanev half retained don’t know why you want to upgrade it to Hanifin but I won’t complain lol

Canucks pass

Holy overpay. Canes don’t even consider that drastic overpayment for Vladar. The best you might get for him is a 4th. And that wouldn’t be coming from the Canes either.

What on earth.

Not even close.

Not sure why OTT gets the 4th here. CGY’s the ones retaining and getting Injured or Suspended, and overrated Players at that, in return

I’d prefer Woo back over Juulsen myself and unless Garland’s 30% retained, we’d have no interest in him

Hanifin should get a ton more than that, especially from NYI or ARI

Lindholm is worth even more than Hanifin, so will get far more than that

I like and defend Vladar at the time, but he’s not getting that kind of return. We’d be lucky to get a 3rd/4th for him right now, so I’d wait till he improves his value before just dumping him

That's an insane price to pay for a backup with a career high of a .906. I wouldn't pay any of those assets 1 for 1.

Ottawa is not accepting that offer. LOL

Right!? It’s like offering Dube + Kylington FOR Zub + a 4th

You get a guy who’s meh and another guy you can’t even use. Why would CGY do that!?

Pinto is much better than Dube . Dube has brutal numbers. Pinto will be back by game 42 so who cares

Vlader is a great goalie all of a sudden?

What makes Pinto any better, let alone much?

What numbers of Dube’s are any worse than Pinto’s!?

Dube is just as offensive and kills penalties and plays Centre too. Pinto has a Right Shot, which is nice, but that’s really the only difference bud

Pinto was a rookie last year and had 20 goals. Pinto is a goal scorer and way way better defensively

Zub is signed to term , Tanev is like 6 years older and a free agent at the end of the season. It’s not the same

By Definition, Pinto was NOT a Rookie last season:

“To qualify as a rookie in the National Hockey League, a player must not have played in more than 25 NHL games in any preceding seasons, nor in six or more NHL games in each of any two preceding seasons.”

I’ll give you that Pinto produced more earlier in his career given the better TOI, linemates and opportunities he’s been given, but will he get any better or has he plateau’s already!? I completely disagree with any insinuation that he’s better Defensively than Dillon Dube though


Okay, but Tanev is better Defensively and is 50% retained (= < 50% of Zub Cap Hit), so doesn’t that count for like 2 seasons in a sense lol!?

Anyways, I wasn’t comparing them, I was just illustrating how the Trade looked to me in comparison

Value-wise the Ottawa deal is fine but I don't think they would do it. Calgary might also prefer draft capital.

But that Toronto trade is a woeful underpay for Hanifin (and to dump Klingberg) while the Vladar and Zadorov deals are overpays

Uh, no its not even close from Ottawa's perspective.

Pinto is practically untouchable and Brannstrom is valuable too.

That one flew right over your head, no worries

We could use Tanev still, we can’t use Pinto who’s both suspended and no better than Dube right now and I dont see the need for Brannstrom who I thought was still hurt, but who I understand is actually playing okay this season, finally

Tanev is good! and to some teams at the deadline, probably worth a 1st as a rental. but Sens have no interest or reason to trade Pinto. they've stuck by him, and will now be able to sign him for pennies on the dollar once he's back. Branny would probably have to be a casualty of this trade though, yeah. If the Sens were able to sign him for a couple extra years at a reasonable price, it'd have to look a lot more like Branny + 2nd + B prospect. at which point, I'd expect Calgary to just take the 1st rounder from another team.

Even with the 4th, Sens decline easily. Obviously not trading Pinto for a declining 34 y/o pending UFA. Even for Brannstrom, I would be looking to trade him for a similar young 2-way forward

Not that I would be against getting Tanev but the return would be around Kubalik and a 2nd or something like that

Kylington has been MIA for a while, he has no value actually.

So you're saying more Dube for Zub + 4th which is obviously ridiculous

Brannstrom is good defensively and excels in transition (he plays with Hamonic though who has been one of the worst D-men in the NHL so far) plus Shane Pinto has been a great young building piece for the Senators for a while (think about how you perceive a Zary/Coronato right now)

Opposedly to Zub, who is 27 y/o and has term, Tanev is 34 y/o, declining and UFA after the season.

Age and contracts play a HUGE part in players' value.


Dube is 2 years and 4 months older and is nowhere near Pinto defensively despite having 4 full seasons already (compared to one for Pinto).

Dube has some offensive skill but Pinto too and has already scored more goals in his one season than Dube's career high...

Nobody among Sens fans would consider a 1 for 1 Pinto-Dube. People would actually be pretty pissed about it.

Pinto received a vote for the 2022-23 NHL All-Rookie Team Voting, he was officially a rookie as he played 12 then 5 games in back to back seasons. And 5 is LESS than the 6 games threshold you talked about.


Shane Pinto plateaued? I mean, the guys turns 23 y/o today and has missed a full season to injury and half a season to suspension...

And Dube's defensive metrics have always been pretty bad. At least his offensive metrics are not as bad as before now.


It's 3 years term difference, not 2. Plus, while Tanev has been excellent defensively in the past, it's not clear that he will be better than Zub this season who is excellent on his own

No, it's pretty bad value wise. The only thing fine is that it wouldn't hurt Ottawa this year but sacrificing a guy who was 22 y/o and another one who was 23 y/o last year is not going to be a good move.


Brannstrom was actually much better last season, his 23 y/o season. He crushed the 3rd pairing role. And he did that while playing with a guy who fell off a cliff so hard that he had to retire and not even sign a PTO. This year he plays with Hamonic and has not been able to mitigate his awfulness yet.

Damn, sorry for all these quotes but there's a lot of wrong that I needed to rectify.

Other than there being no evidence Tanev is on the decline, other than making a generalization based on his age alone, all that's fair

If OTT doesn't want to offer up Brannstrom or Pinto and a 2nd + Kubalik is all they feel they should offer, they almost certainly will lose out on the Tanev Sweepstakes


There's a chance Kylington comes back, but it's low and I thought Brannstrom was still out with injury when I posted that. I remember comparing Valimaki to Sandin & Brannstrom awhile back, which none were any good at the time, but I understand Brannstrom has turned things around and has improved and gotten much better since

Yup, Pinto is untouchable as fas as Sens Fans are concerned, I don't have a problem with that and agree of the 2, Pinto is more valuable due to his age and RFA status having 2 more years before he becomes Arbitration Eligible, but to say Pinto is better defensively or better than Dube is today = right now, that's quite the stretch. You would have to educate me as to how/why you feel Pinto is better defensively. Dube's Fantastic on the PK of which Pinto hardly plays any. Pinto has also received more ice time, especially on the PP as well as given better line mates.

If we were to do a deep dive and compare their last seasons:
Pinto: 20G+15A=35PTS/82GP = 0.42PPG -21 with 1310/TOI, of which 1105.4/Even Strength + 169/PP + 36/PK; vs.
Dube: 18G+27A=45PTS/82GP =0.55PPG -6 with 1243/TOI, of which 1030/Even Strength + 111/PP + 102/PK

I'm not disputing that Pinto is more Valuable given his Age/Size/Right Shot/RFA Status/Perceived Ceiling, but again, I simply don't accept Pinto is better defensively or offensively right now, he's just been afforded better ice time and offensive opportunities.

The Tanev/Zub comparison was a joke to show his comment was confusing and didn't make any sense and I agree OTT may not be willing to pay the price for Tanev, but a Team will and Tanev is still the Super Intelligent, Play Reading, Defensive Stud he's always been. He hasn't lost a step from what I can tell, he's just having a rough start to the season statistically due to playing with numerous D-Partners and his main one struggling to play at the top of his game as well this season in Hanifin

I've addressed most of this already, but the fact Pinto played 12 games in his first season nulifies him from being considered a Rookie, since that's more than 6 in his previous 2 seasons

Who knows whether Pinto will continue to excel. I think he's stuck on the 3rd line, who does he push out of your Top-6? What more ice time or better opportunities is he going to get to produce more?

I like Zub a lot and again, wasn't comparing them. As for the 3 to 1, sure if it's Cap Hit to Cap Hit, but if Tanev is 50% retained to $2.25mil, that's 2 seasons to Zub's 1 Cap Wise. Doesn't really work that way I know, but just pointing it out. Which would you rather have for this season only; Zub @ $4.6 or Tanev @ $2.25; hard to imagine not wanting the better shut down guy for less than 50% of the Cap Hit was kinda my point, which wasn't much of one I know, but again, it was about not understanding your original post and what that meant exactly

Brannstrom has been a solid third pairing guy for the last 3 seasons for Ottawa.