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Created by: Flamesfan60
Team: 2023-24 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 11, 2023
Published: Nov. 11, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
CGY
  1. Ritchie, Calum [Reserve List]
  2. 2024 1st round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Lindholm, Elias ($2,250,000 retained)
2.
CGY
  1. 2024 1st round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Tanev, Christopher ($2,250,000 retained)
3.
CGY
  1. Hirvonen, Roni
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (NYI)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$83,500,000$70,842,499$0$227,500$12,657,501
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LW, C
RFA - 2
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
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$3,100,000$3,100,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$4,900,000$4,900,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 4
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$5,800,000$5,800,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 8
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$2,300,000$2,300,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
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$825,000$825,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
RW
RFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$1,237,500$1,237,500
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3
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$762,500$762,500
LD
UFA - 1
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 8
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
G
UFA - 2
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$828,333$828,333
LD
RFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1
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$813,333$813,333 (Performance Bonus$15,000$15K)
G
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
C
UFA - 1

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Nov. 12, 2023 at 2:57 a.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
I think you’re referring to TOR as they, so I’ll respond with that assumption

The problem is TOR only want to offer Picks. They’re not willing to offer any of their Young Players or Prospects with Value. Kinger25 said this to me directly and it’s evident in their AGM’s where they throw all kinds of crappy quantity in place of quality

Even if/when Cowan, Minten, Liljegren or heaven forbid Knies are offered in a TOR AGM, the OP gets blasted and shamed immediately by TOR Fans for even suggesting they’d part with those assets

You typically get paid on past performance, so with just 18:00ATOI I don’t believe Big-Z has the necessary leverage to demand anywhere close to $5mil+. Maybe, but he also wants term, so I think a deal can be made where he accepts $3-4mil/yr, so long as he’d given 3-6 years of term


I was just talking about any team but in Toronto's case, I could see them give a first but it won't be because they want to re-sign him right away. The assumption would be that he's a rental that they are interested in retaining. They might have to pay a high price to get him sooner rather than later and with retention. He probably considers himself a top 4 D, and any top 4 D could start the ask at 5M even if they end up with less. Really depends on how they would want to make it work. He would certainly get paid 4m+ since he's already getting paid 3.75M, so probably like 4.5M. His defensive ability + 30 pts should count for something.

Other than Liljegren, I don't see why the Leafs would trade any of those guys at all. I think with CF people just tend to always want the best or popular prospects off a team when it's not really necessary.
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Nov. 12, 2023 at 5:32 a.m.
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First Flames fan that correctly understands the value of a 3rd pairing defenceman in Zadorov.
Nov. 12, 2023 at 6:20 a.m.
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That would be an underpay from the Avs for Lindholm but they still shoudn't be making that trade for a rental they can't afford to re-sign.
Nov. 12, 2023 at 11:31 a.m.
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I watched Tanev play in Van for years. A serviceable d man who gets injured A LOT. Now much older and slower you want the Canucks to Pony up a 1st for him? My advice is that its much more fun doing this while staying somewhat realistic. Asking for Mcdavid for example in a straight swap for Tanev is equally far fetched and makes you look unhinged, as does this.
Nov. 12, 2023 at 1:18 p.m.
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Quoting: GMBL
I was just talking about any team but in Toronto's case, I could see them give a first but it won't be because they want to re-sign him right away. The assumption would be that he's a rental that they are interested in retaining. They might have to pay a high price to get him sooner rather than later and with retention. He probably considers himself a top 4 D, and any top 4 D could start the ask at 5M even if they end up with less. Really depends on how they would want to make it work. He would certainly get paid 4m+ since he's already getting paid 3.75M, so probably like 4.5M. His defensive ability + 30 pts should count for something.

Other than Liljegren, I don't see why the Leafs would trade any of those guys at all. I think with CF people just tend to always want the best or popular prospects off a team when it's not really necessary.

Treliving's notorious for handing out big contracts without a player even skating on the ice with a Team (Kadri/Huberdeau/Weegar), but in this case he knows Zadorov

I'm of the position TOR's Picks will be late and not as valuable, especially if they Trade for and improve their Defense and Goaltending

I was also of the position that Zadorov would cost the same if he was given term, but you're not wrong, maybe he does get over $4mil/yr. We'll see I guess
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Nov. 12, 2023 at 1:42 p.m.
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First Flames fan that correctly understands the value of a 3rd pairing defenceman in Zadorov.

We use Big-Z on the 2nd Pairing when he's with Weegar or if Andersson's out with a Suspension, but he certainly wouldn't be a 3rd Pairing in VAN, that'd be Ian Cole

Tell me you wouldn't play Zadorov on the 3rd Pairing if you had Andersson, Weegar, Hanifin & Tanev

Quoting: Dickie_Dunn
I watched Tanev play in Van for years. A serviceable d man who gets injured A LOT. Now much older and slower you want the Canucks to Pony up a 1st for him? My advice is that its much more fun doing this while staying somewhat realistic. Asking for Mcdavid for example in a straight swap for Tanev is equally far fetched and makes you look unhinged, as does this.

"Serviceable" You know he's only been a minus player once in a complete season in his life, right!? He was also an All-Star and Nominated for a Norris a little over a season ago too, right!?

Not only is Tanev himself great, he makes lifts his D-Partners and makes them appear much better as well, hence why VAN Fans want him back. Now whether VAN can hold up their early season success and thus whether they should give up assets to acquire him when he might be their 1st choice in Free Agency, I won't debate, but there's no evidence he's slowed down at all and as for his injury history in VAN, you know that's because he puts his body on the line to block shots and help the Team win, right!? Furthermore, his Dad bulked up his equipment and he hasn't been injured as a result of blocked shots since, right!?

What do you think Tanev is worth and don't forget to consider the cost of retention!?

IF VAN does keep up this pace, what will that 1st Round Pick Be, in the 20's? Picks after the Top-20 don't always produce an NHL Player, it could very likely end up being nothing in the end, just like 2/3 of the 1sts Gretzky was Traded for became, so comparing a VAN 1st to McDavid IS far fetched and makes you look like the one unhinged this time Dickie
Nov. 12, 2023 at 11:08 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Treliving's notorious for handing out big contracts without a player even skating on the ice with a Team (Kadri/Huberdeau/Weegar), but in this case he knows Zadorov

I'm of the position TOR's Picks will be late and not as valuable, especially if they Trade for and improve their Defense and Goaltending

I was also of the position that Zadorov would cost the same if he was given term, but you're not wrong, maybe he does get over $4mil/yr. We'll see I guess


Idk about him being notorious for doing that, Huberdeau and Weegar were special circumstances, but even then it was clear what the cap picture was going to look like since it was done in the off-season.

Zadorov might cost the same, but typically players do want some sort of raise even if by a fraction
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Nov. 13, 2023 at 12:00 a.m.
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Idk about him being notorious for doing that, Huberdeau and Weegar were special circumstances, but even then it was clear what the cap picture was going to look like since it was done in the off-season.

Zadorov might cost the same, but typically players do want some sort of raise even if by a fraction

Sure, my only comment there is that a player would technically make more going with 1-2 year contracts if they maintained their play and production and the cap increased regularly

Signing a long-term contract could be detrimental because you could have gotten more later, but it’s also risky/a gamble at the same time, because if you get injured or your play/production drops you won’t, so you typically accept less when given a long term contract/commitment

The exception is Free Agency where you have multiple bidders and/or you’re a SuperStar and dictate how much it’ll take for you to sign, like Nylander’s attempting to do rights now
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Nov. 13, 2023 at 12:30 a.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Sure, my only comment there is that a player would technically make more going with 1-2 year contracts if they maintained their play and production and the cap increased regularly

Signing a long-term contract could be detrimental because you could have gotten more later, but it’s also risky/a gamble at the same time, because if you get injured or your play/production drops you won’t, so you typically accept less when given a long term contract/commitment

The exception is Free Agency where you have multiple bidders and/or you’re a SuperStar and dictate how much it’ll take for you to sign, like Nylander’s attempting to do rights now


Zadorov is probably going to try playing it safe and look to secure the bag, he'll want the largest possible contract he can get probably on a 5-year term. He's not a superstar but he would likely hope that he proves to be important enough for the Leafs (or whatever team he ends up going to) that they would go out of their way to sign him. I don't think the Leafs would be sure that they can make it work until the off-season, and if Nylander and Bertuzzi are both re-signed, they might have to sign Zadorov at a cheapish deal 1-year deal (like 3.75-4.25M) with the understanding that they will give him an extension in January 2025. Kind of similar to Gavrikov, except that he did a 2-year deal at a high cap hit to make it worthwhile.
Nov. 13, 2023 at 12:47 a.m.
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Zadorov is probably going to try playing it safe and look to secure the bag, he'll want the largest possible contract he can get probably on a 5-year term. He's not a superstar but he would likely hope that he proves to be important enough for the Leafs (or whatever team he ends up going to) that they would go out of their way to sign him. I don't think the Leafs would be sure that they can make it work until the off-season, and if Nylander and Bertuzzi are both re-signed, they might have to sign Zadorov at a cheapish deal 1-year deal (like 3.75-4.25M) with the understanding that they will give him an extension in January 2025. Kind of similar to Gavrikov, except that he did a 2-year deal at a high cap hit to make it worthwhile.

That’s all on TOR to figure out, but with Bert, Domi, Klingberg, Brodie and Sammy all coming off the books and the Cap Projected to go up, I don’t see an issue offering Zadorov a contract now and it’s not like Treliving doesn’t know what he’s getting this time

I don’t think Zadorov is 100% done or closed off from staying in CGY, so I’m still hoping we can work something out, but if not, I’m good either way
Nov. 13, 2023 at 1:02 a.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Think about it, why are there so many AGM’s for him on here!? Who else is out there like him that’s available (Hint: Nobody)

TOR, VAN & NJD are already in the queue and it’s only been 24 hours

It’s the Perfect Storm for a Bidding War


Is it debatable!? Who else is better than Tanev!? Name them!? Are any of them available!?

IF made available, Tanev is THE BEST Defensive Defensemen that’ll be available this season and there’s already a TON of interest in his services


Probably because he requested a trade
 
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