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3 Way trade

Created by: MoxNix
Published: Nov. 16, 2023 at 6:03 p.m.
Salary Cap: $83,500,000
Season Days: 154/192 (80%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has been rejected because the upper limit has been exceeded by one of the trade parties

Logo of the Calgary FlamesCalgary Flames

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Tanev, ChristopherCalgary FlamesNHL50%$2,250,000011---15022--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Holtz, AlexanderWaivers ExemptNew Jersey DevilsNHL-$894,167011---14325--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$1,524,167224564369
Change$1,355,833000000
Final$2,880,000 (↑)224564369303

Logo of the New Jersey DevilsNew Jersey Devils

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Holtz, AlexanderWaivers ExemptNew Jersey DevilsNHL-$717,196011---14325--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Garland, ConorVancouver CanucksNHL50%$1,985,156011---16235--
2025 2nd round pick (Logo of the Vancouver CanucksVAN)---010------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$1,000,6522343653511
Change-$1,267,960000010
Final-$267,308 (↓)23436536 (↑)11-110

Logo of the Vancouver CanucksVancouver Canucks

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Garland, ConorVancouver CanucksNHL50%$2,475,000011---16235--
2025 2nd round pick (Logo of the Vancouver CanucksVAN)---010------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Tanev, ChristopherCalgary FlamesNHL50%$2,250,000011---15022--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$137,5002346683411
Change$225,0000000-10
Final$362,500 (↑)23466833 (↓)11-2-1-3
Nov. 16, 2023 at 6:07 p.m.
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Calgary takes on as a project a young former high draft pick forward who's been very disappointing at the NHL level. Holtz being a right shot and not being undersized makes him an good project for the Flames.

NJ gets a more productive replacement with 50% retention and a 2nd round pick.

Vancouver gets the defenseman they covet and moves one of the overpaid forwards they've been trying to move for a long time already.
Nov. 16, 2023 at 6:08 p.m.
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Canucks aren’t retaining 50% on Garland. If they do then they get a better return
Nov. 16, 2023 at 6:11 p.m.
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Canucks aren’t retaining 50% on Garland. If they do then they get a better return


Holtz > Tanev @50% retained > Garland @50% retained. Vancouver adds the 2nd to make up the difference in value to both Calgary and New Jersey. That is assuming Vancouver extends Tanev for 1-2 years which I'm sure both he and the Canucks would be agreeable to.
Nov. 16, 2023 at 6:20 p.m.
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Quoting: MoxNix
Holtz > Tanev 50% retained > Garland 50% retained. Vancouver adds the 2nd to make up the difference in value to both Calgary and New Jersey. That is assuming Vancouver extends Tanev for 1-2 years which I'm sure both he and the Canucks would be agreeable to.


A 40-50 point good two way winger for 2.475x3 returns more than just a pending UFA RHD imo, just because of the term on the retention. At worst they are equal value, so the Canucks won’t be adding a 2nd

Also if Holtz > Tanev, then shouldn’t Calgary be adding something as well?
Nov. 16, 2023 at 6:26 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 16, 2023 at 6:34 p.m.
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A 40-50 point good two way winger for 2.475x3 returns more than just a pending UFA RHD imo, just because of the term on the retention. At worst they are equal value, so the Canucks won’t be adding a 2nd

Also if Holtz > Tanev, then shouldn’t Calgary be adding something as well?


No, think of it as Garland + 2nd for Tanev and then Garland + 2nd for Holtz. But Calgary doesn't do the first trade without the second and NJ doesn't do the second without 50% retention and Vancouver can't do that without 50% retention on Tanev too.

Might be a little wiggle room in there. Something like Calgary sends a 3rd/4th to Vancouver or Calgary takes a 3rd from Vancouver themselves and sends NJ a prospect worth a a late 2nd / early 3rd.

Also Garland is only a 40-50 point player when he's in the top 6. That's not very good for a top 6 player. This year in the bottom 6 on a team that's doing well he only has 5 points in 16 games which works out to 25.625 points over 82 games.
Nov. 16, 2023 at 6:33 p.m.
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No, think of it as Garland + 2nd for Tanev and then Garland + 2nd for Holtz. But Calgary doesn't do the first trade without the second and NJ doesn't do the second without 50% retention and Vancouver can't do that without 50% retention on Tanev too.

Might be a little wiggle room in there. Something like Calgary sends a 3rd/4th to Vancouver or Calgary takes a 3rd from Vancouver themselves and sends NJ a prospect worth a a late 2nd / early 3rd.


I just can’t see a scenario where the Canucks retain 50% on Garland for three seasons. They definitely don’t retain 50% and trade a 2nd for just Tanev

If it was Beauvillier instead of Garland that would work better for Vancouver, since Beau is a pending UFA retaining on him doesn’t hurt as much, even if that means either upping the pick to a 1st or acquiring Zadorov instead of Tanev
Nov. 16, 2023 at 6:37 p.m.
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I just can’t see a scenario where the Canucks retain 50% on Garland for three seasons. They definitely don’t retain 50% and trade a 2nd for just Tanev

If it was Beauvillier instead of Garland that would work better for Vancouver, since Beau is a pending UFA retaining on him doesn’t hurt as much, even if that means either upping the pick to a 1st or acquiring Zadorov instead of Tanev


I doubt NJ would want Beavillier even if they get a 1st. However Calgary might take Beauvillier and a 1st for Tanev... Maybe, they probably wait for a better offer but if they don't get it that might work close to the deadline.
Nov. 16, 2023 at 7:16 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 16, 2023 at 9:57 p.m.. Reason: Sorry, I mean Oliver Wahlstrom, not Simon Holmstrom (whoever that is lol) Oops
Creative, but I’d prefer Garland 50% Retained over Holtz personally

I think we could probably pick up Simon Holmstrom for not that much right now too

I’d rather get a 1st + A Prospect for Tanev 50% Retained. This way we get a decent Prospect AND can Draft & Develop our own guy from scratch

I’d also do a 1st + Beauvillier + B Prospect + Woo for Tanev with no retention. I just don’t know what the deal with Woo is or why he’s not in the NHL yet
Nov. 16, 2023 at 9:48 p.m.
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Devils have no reason to do this
Nov. 16, 2023 at 9:49 p.m.
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Creative, but I’d prefer Garland 50% Retained over Holtz personally

I think we could probably pick up Simon Holmstrom for not that much right now too

I’d rather get a 1st + A Prospect for Tanev 50% Retained. This way we get a decent Prospect AND can Draft & Develop our own guy from scratch

I’d also do a 1st + Beauvillier + B Prospect + Woo for Tanev with no retention. I just don’t know what the deal with Woo is or why he’s not in the NHL yet


Garland is too small, a bit older than I'd like and UFA in 2026 when he'll be 30 years old. It's a combination I don't like for a retool / rebuild.

Holmstrom would be cheaper and has good size but he's a left shot and being Swedish probably not very physical either.

I'd prefer a 1st + A prospect too but I doubt we'll get both, one or the other sure but not both. I supposed that depends on how you define an "A" prospect though. To me that's a player worth a mid to late 1st.

A 1st + Beauvillier + B prospect would be an ok return though I'd hold out for someone better or cheaper than Beauvillier. Woo I could care less about.
Nov. 16, 2023 at 9:56 p.m.
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Garland is too small, a bit older than I'd like and UFA in 2 years when he'll be 30 years old. It's a combination I don't like for a retool / rebuild.

Holmstrom would be cheaper and has good size but he's a left shot and being Swedish probably not very physical either.

I'd prefer a 1st + A prospect too but I doubt we'll get both, one or the other sure but not both. I supposed that depends on how you define an "A" prospect though. To me that's a player worth a mid to late 1st.

A 1st + Beauvillier + B prospect would be an ok return though I'd hold out for someone better or cheaper than Beauvillier. Woo I could care less about.

Pretty sure you said the same thing about Arber Xhekaj a few years back, saying he wouldn’t ever make the NHL

And sorry, I meant Oliver Wahlstrom. By Bad, Oops 😅
Nov. 16, 2023 at 10:18 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 16, 2023 at 10:24 p.m.
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Pretty sure you said the same thing about Arber Xhekaj a few years back, saying he wouldn’t ever make the NHL

And sorry, I meant Oliver Wahlstrom. By Bad, Oops 😅


Nah, I wouldn't have said that about either of those two. In case you haven't noticed I usually say that about undersized players. Players with good size I'll generally give the benefit of the doubt even if I don't particularly like them.

I didn't think much of Xhekaj at first and wouldn't have traded much for him but his stock has gone up a bit with me since then.
Nov. 16, 2023 at 10:20 p.m.
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The Devils wouldnt do this trade, Holtz has his growing pains and thats to be expected from a young player, little by little Ruff is starting to trust him, tonight he got top 6 minutes and scored a goal.
Garland or the pick do nothing for us unless its to acquire a much better goalie or to upgrade our back end
And dont get me started on all that retention nonsense you've got going on here
 
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