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Created by: Jobloe33
Published: Nov. 24, 2023 at 9:24 p.m.
Salary Cap: $83,500,000
Season Days: 146/192 (76%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has met the central registry's trade checklist

Logo of the Buffalo SabresBuffalo Sabres

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Girgensons, ZemgusBuffalo SabresNHL-$1,901,042011---19202--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Coleman, BlakeCalgary FlamesNHL-$3,726,042011---19549--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$7,886,5302343663613
Change-$1,825,000000000
Final$6,061,530 (↓)2343663613347

Logo of the Calgary FlamesCalgary Flames

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Coleman, BlakeCalgary FlamesNHL-$4,900,000011---19549--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Girgensons, ZemgusBuffalo SabresNHL-$2,500,000011---19202--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$1,524,167224564369
Change$2,400,000000000
Final$3,924,167 (↑)224564369-3-4-7
Nov. 24, 2023 at 9:27 p.m.
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Why would CGY ever consider this!?

Doesn’t matter, cause Coleman Declines!!!
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Nov. 24, 2023 at 9:35 p.m.
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Why would CGY ever consider this!?

Doesn’t matter, cause Coleman Declines!!!


Pretty sure BUF has no interest in taking on that contract for that long.
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Nov. 24, 2023 at 9:38 p.m.
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Pretty sure BUF has no interest in taking on that contract for that long.

You’ll have to explain to me why not. Coleman is criminally underrated and worth every penny actually
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Nov. 24, 2023 at 9:48 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
You’ll have to explain to me why not. Coleman is criminally underrated and worth every penny actually


He's a good mid 6 forward, but at just under a $5M cap hit for the next 4 years (on the wrong side of 30) and less than a half point a game in production he just doesn't work for BUF. OVer the next couple years they have a slew of younger players with better futures / higher ceilings (Mittlestadt, Benson, Paterka, Krebs, Jokiharju, Quinn and more). They also need to either bring in a good veteran goalie (who will probably cost $$) for the next couple years until one of Levi or UPL are ready to fully take the reigns. Nothing against Coleman, but BUF isn't the right fit
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Nov. 24, 2023 at 10:01 p.m.
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He's a good mid 6 forward, but at just under a $5M cap hit for the next 4 years (on the wrong side of 30) and less than a half point a game in production he just doesn't work for BUF. OVer the next couple years they have a slew of younger players with better futures / higher ceilings (Mittlestadt, Benson, Paterka, Krebs, Jokiharju, Quinn and more). They also need to either bring in a good veteran goalie (who will probably cost $$) for the next couple years until one of Levi or UPL are ready to fully take the reins. Nothing against Coleman, but BUF isn't the right fit

Coleman’s not just paid to score man, he’s also a Grinder and Defensive/PK Specialist

You’ll get a consistent 15G+/0.45-0.50PPG+ from him. He says he’s finally feeling close to 100% and feels better than ever, so probably has his best year as a Flame this season

I don’t see any reason to believe his production and effectiveness will fall off for another 4 years either. Age is just a number to some guys
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Nov. 24, 2023 at 10:35 p.m.
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Coleman’s not just paid to score man, he’s also a Grinder and Defensive/PK Specialist

You’ll get a consistent 15G+/0.45-0.50PPG+ from him. He says he’s finally feeling close to 100% and feels better than ever, so probably has his best year as a Flame this season

I don’t see any reason to believe his production and effectiveness will fall off for another 4 years either. Age is just a number to some guys


9 seasons, never cracked 40 points, and that included playing on a very good TB team. There are a ton of good forwards that put up that production, play a 200 ft game, and kill penalties, at half the cap hit. I get he's a fan favorite, but that cap hit is too restrictive
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Nov. 24, 2023 at 10:44 p.m.
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9 seasons, never cracked 40 points, and that included playing on a very good TB team. There are a ton of good forwards that put up that production, play a 200 ft game, and kill penalties, at half the cap hit. I get he's a fan favorite, but that cap hit is too restrictive

Sure, ignore the 31PTSx2/55-57GP x2 seasons and his 0.43PPG Career Average. Watch Coleman this season and let’s talk about him against the end k. $4.95mil isn’t a ton now and won’t seem like as much in the coming years
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Nov. 25, 2023 at 12:25 a.m.
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I like Coleman, but without some contract retention that’s just too much money for a third line winger. Buffalo has a ton of Young talent they would like to put into the lineup in the next couple years, and they need roster spots to do it. If that deal were half retained, which would basically defeat the purpose of trading him, then it would be worth it.
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Nov. 25, 2023 at 12:54 a.m.
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Sure, ignore the 31PTSx2/55-57GP x2 seasons and his 0.43PPG Career Average. Watch Coleman this season and let’s talk about him against the end k. $4.95mil isn’t a ton now and won’t seem like as much in the coming years


You don't seem to get how points per season are calculated. He has never scored 40 points in a season. Even when he played more games before and after his 2 injury plagued seasons. He is a fine 3rd/4th liner, but for almost a $5M/yr cap hit, that is too much for "intangibles" when you have bigger needs.
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Nov. 25, 2023 at 1:53 p.m.
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You don't seem to get how points per season are calculated. He has never scored 40 points in a season. Even when he played more games before and after his 2 injury plagued seasons. He is a fine 3rd/4th liner, but for almost a $5M/yr cap hit, that is too much for "intangibles" when you have bigger needs.

Is that some sort of attempt at an insult!? lol You don't think I know how to do basic math!? I guess the Finance Degree I have holding up my Cable Box is as useless as I found it to be, I mean it is good at holding up the Cable Box for my Garage TV lol

Never seen Coleman play on the 4th line, ever... And Points Per Game is a FAR better stat than Points Per Season, which is why I use the former PPG. Too many posters on here care about Points only and don't seem to realize there is much more to the game of hockey than who has the nicest looking stats. Furthermore, most posters here don't take in to consideration the minutes, opportunities, line mates and/or the role a player plays when evaluating them, especially those who only care about points.

BUF can certainly go ahead and continue using Greenway, Girgensons and Okposo at 40-50% of Coleman's Cap Hit. They're definitely Cheaper, but also substantially lesser players...

I mean when was the last time Greenway (Physical/Gritty) put up 40 Points in a Season!? He seems to be hated in BUF right now. And How bout Girgensens (Defensive/PK Specialist)!? Has he even ever put up over 20 Points in a Season!?? Remember when Okposo (Offensive) was making $6mil/yr and wasn't producing any more offence than Coleman even though he was given Top-6 Minutes & Linemates and Power Play Time!??? Yes, that was just last season on a contract he was given between the ages of 27-34, which is $1.1mil/yr = 22.4% more than Coleman's Cap Hit, who's contract expires at the same age....

Observation: It literally takes 3 Players at a combined $8mil/yr to match what Coleman does by himself alone and better in every facet (other than Fighting, I'll give that to Greenway) than each of them too. He literally does it all, he's Physical, Gritty, Defensively Reliable and can both Score Goals AND Contribute Offensively. Seriously who opens up more Spots on the lineup and would you rather have:

Greenway @ $3mil/yr producing 2G+4A=6PTS/19GP
Girgensons @ $2.5mil/yr producing 2G+0A=2PTS/20GP
Okposo @ 2.5mil/yr producing 1G+3A=4PTS/20GP
Combined @ $8mil/yr producing 5G+8A=13PTS/20GP
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Coleman @ $4.9mil/yr producing 6G+5A=11PTS/20GP

How about this, when was the last time any of those 3 Players took BUF to the Playoffs or between the 3 Won the Stanley Cup!? Coleman's done it TWICE. Do you know how much Experience and Leadership he brings to an organization just based on that achievement alone!? Heck, TBL might have won it again in 2022 had Coleman still been on the Team.

Hopefully I've made my point here, but if you missed it, you don't seem to get how Effective and Valuable Blake Coleman is and that he's worth every penny he's paid as a 2nd/3rd Line Defensive/PK Specialist
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Nov. 25, 2023 at 2:23 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Is that some sort of attempt at an insult!? lol You don't think I know how to do basic math!? I guess the Finance Degree I have holding up my Cable Box is as useless as I found it to be, I mean it is good at holding up the Cable Box for my Garage TV lol

Never seen Coleman play on the 4th line, ever... And Points Per Game is a FAR better stat than Points Per Season, which is why I use the former PPG. Too many posters on here care about Points only and don't seem to realize there is much more to the game of hockey than who has the nicest looking stats. Furthermore, most posters here don't take in to consideration the minutes, opportunities, line mates and/or the role a player plays when evaluating them, especially those who only care about points.

BUF can certainly go ahead and continue using Greenway, Girgensons and Okposo at 40-50% of Coleman's Cap Hit. They're definitely Cheaper, but also substantially lesser players...

I mean when was the last time Greenway (Physical/Gritty) put up 40 Points in a Season!? He seems to be hated in BUF right now. And How bout Girgensens (Defensive/PK Specialist)!? Has he even ever put up over 20 Points in a Season!?? Remember when Okposo (Offensive) was making $6mil/yr and wasn't producing any more offence than Coleman even though he was given Top-6 Minutes & Linemates and Power Play Time!??? Yes, that was just last season on a contract he was given between the ages of 27-34, which is $1.1mil/yr = 22.4% more than Coleman's Cap Hit, who's contract expires at the same age....

Observation: It literally takes 3 Players at a combined $8mil/yr to match what Coleman does by himself alone and better in every facet (other than Fighting, I'll give that to Greenway) than each of them too. He literally does it all, he's Physical, Gritty, Defensively Reliable and can both Score Goals AND Contribute Offensively. Seriously who opens up more Spots on the lineup and would you rather have:

Greenway $3mil/yr producing 2G+4A=6PTS/19GP
Girgensons $2.5mil/yr producing 2G+0A=2PTS/20GP
Okposo 2.5mil/yr producing 1G+3A=4PTS/20GP
Combined $8mil/yr producing 5G+8A=13PTS/20GP
OR
Coleman $4.9mil/yr producing 6G+5A=11PTS/20GP

How about this, when was the last time any of those 3 Players took BUF to the Playoffs or between the 3 Won the Stanley Cup!? Coleman's done it TWICE. Do you know how much Experience and Leadership he brings to an organization just based on that achievement alone!? Heck, TBL might have won it again in 2022 had Coleman still been on the Team.

Hopefully I've made my point here, but if you missed it, you don't seem to get how Effective and Valuable Blake Coleman is and that he's worth every penny he's paid as a 2nd/3rd Line Defensive/PK Specialist


Not an insult; but boy are we defensive? I am pointing that is like saying Bedard is going to score 82 goals a season after his first few games. The actual stats matter, not just projections. And since when do role players mean the difference in playoff appearances? Star players get you over the hump in the regular season and shine in the playoffs or else you go home early.

I agree with you on one point. How players are in position to score is part of the equation as well as their role on the team. Okposo was brought in to score; he has 8 seasons over 40 points (plus 1 year at 39), which under his contract he signed as an UFA is an overpay. Girgensons and Greenway were not brought in to score but do the other things that someone like Coleman can do. In a salary cap world either of those two options get you slightly less production over the course of a season at a way lower cap hit, which factors into their overall value.

As far as Coleman's role on thise Tampa Bay teams, he was a small part of the bigger picture. But when you can put 15 guys ahead of him as more important, I hardly consider him vital to that team. Again, he has not been nearly the player in CGY he was in TBL, because he is being asked to do more in CGY and it hasn't worked out so far. He is a fine role player, but he is overpaid for that role. That is my point and that contract is unlikely to look better as he ages.
Nov. 25, 2023 at 2:27 p.m.
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Is that some sort of attempt at an insult!? lol You don't think I know how to do basic math!? I guess the Finance Degree I have holding up my Cable Box is as useless as I found it to be, I mean it is good at holding up the Cable Box for my Garage TV lol

Never seen Coleman play on the 4th line, ever... And Points Per Game is a FAR better stat than Points Per Season, which is why I use the former PPG. Too many posters on here care about Points only and don't seem to realize there is much more to the game of hockey than who has the nicest looking stats. Furthermore, most posters here don't take in to consideration the minutes, opportunities, line mates and/or the role a player plays when evaluating them, especially those who only care about points.

BUF can certainly go ahead and continue using Greenway, Girgensons and Okposo at 40-50% of Coleman's Cap Hit. They're definitely Cheaper, but also substantially lesser players...

I mean when was the last time Greenway (Physical/Gritty) put up 40 Points in a Season!? He seems to be hated in BUF right now. And How bout Girgensens (Defensive/PK Specialist)!? Has he even ever put up over 20 Points in a Season!?? Remember when Okposo (Offensive) was making $6mil/yr and wasn't producing any more offence than Coleman even though he was given Top-6 Minutes & Linemates and Power Play Time!??? Yes, that was just last season on a contract he was given between the ages of 27-34, which is $1.1mil/yr = 22.4% more than Coleman's Cap Hit, who's contract expires at the same age....

Observation: It literally takes 3 Players at a combined $8mil/yr to match what Coleman does by himself alone and better in every facet (other than Fighting, I'll give that to Greenway) than each of them too. He literally does it all, he's Physical, Gritty, Defensively Reliable and can both Score Goals AND Contribute Offensively. Seriously who opens up more Spots on the lineup and would you rather have:

Greenway $3mil/yr producing 2G+4A=6PTS/19GP
Girgensons $2.5mil/yr producing 2G+0A=2PTS/20GP
Okposo 2.5mil/yr producing 1G+3A=4PTS/20GP
Combined $8mil/yr producing 5G+8A=13PTS/20GP
OR
Coleman $4.9mil/yr producing 6G+5A=11PTS/20GP

How about this, when was the last time any of those 3 Players took BUF to the Playoffs or between the 3 Won the Stanley Cup!? Coleman's done it TWICE. Do you know how much Experience and Leadership he brings to an organization just based on that achievement alone!? Heck, TBL might have won it again in 2022 had Coleman still been on the Team.

Hopefully I've made my point here, but if you missed it, you don't seem to get how Effective and Valuable Blake Coleman is and that he's worth every penny he's paid as a 2nd/3rd Line Defensive/PK Specialist

Buffalo is overpaying its fourth line, I don’t think there’s much of an argument against that. I don’t know why they gave Okposo so much money this year, but I think Girgensons got that deal as a reward for staying with the team as long as he has. I’m pretty sure they spent that much on them because they aren’t spending to the cap anyway. I don’t see either of them necessarily on the team next year. Maybe you haven’t looked at the long-term projection, but Buffalo spent all of their money on Dahlin and Power’s new contracts. Both of them are getting $7 million more each next year than they are this year. That’s why you can’t spend almost $5 million on 1 3rd line player.
Nov. 25, 2023 at 2:51 p.m.
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Not an insult; but boy are we defensive? I am pointing that is like saying Bedard is going to score 82 goals a season after his first few games. The actual stats matter, not just projections. And since when do role players mean the difference in playoff appearances? Star players get you over the hump in the regular season and shine in the playoffs or else you go home early.

I agree with you on one point. How players are in position to score is part of the equation as well as their role on the team. Okposo was brought in to score; he has 8 seasons over 40 points (plus 1 year at 39), which under his contract he signed as an UFA is an overpay. Girgensons and Greenway were not brought in to score but do the other things that someone like Coleman can do. In a salary cap world either of those two options get you slightly less production over the course of a season at a way lower cap hit, which factors into their overall value.

As far as Coleman's role on thise Tampa Bay teams, he was a small part of the bigger picture. But when you can put 15 guys ahead of him as more important, I hardly consider him vital to that team. Again, he has not been nearly the player in CGY he was in TBL, because he is being asked to do more in CGY and it hasn't worked out so far. He is a fine role player, but he is overpaid for that role. That is my point and that contract is unlikely to look better as he ages.

I was just checking, but "Lacking Patience For" and Easily Annoyed" by "Stats Princesses", would be a far better description or definition for me

Selanne scored 76 times in his Rookie Season, but yeah, the 46 Bedard is currently projected and on pace for is certainly more realistic... But Where was I making any projections or going off just a few games!? What/Where's really your point here!?

Role players make all the difference come the playoffs and Coleman was absolutely vital in the Lightning's Playoff Success and Winning those Stanley Cups while he was there; hence my point that he may have been the missing piece to winning it again in 2022. He's that effective!

Assuming a player will do just as well when joining a new team or for a new team, especially the Flames is just ridiculous. Essentially any Flame could leave the organization now and I can pretty much guarantee they'd play the same but produce better almost anywhere else. It comes does to the style of play each team utilizes or identifies themselves by. I got Stats Princesses wanting to devalue Zadorov because we use him on the 3rd Pairing right now or Lindholm because he's only producing 0.75PPG right now. I got no patience for guys who just want to go off stats and completely ignore the full picture, as if they have any clue about the Flames or their players. Pens fans are the worst when it comes to evaluating Adam Vladar for example

You seem to forget JoeBlow here is equating Coleman's value to Girgensons and everybody here, except me, seems to believe this BS that Coleman's contract is bad, an over pay and/or that his play will somehow decline over the next 3 seasons with no justifiable reason.... Based on what!? Assumptions, Generalizations and Hopes/Attempts to justify straight up ridiculous and baseless opinion's!?

The Flames are getting exactly what Coleman was brought in for and knew they would get and therefore he is worth his contract. He will continue to do so as well as long as they hold on to him and the Team who has the best chance of landing him after this season is the Dallas Stars. There's far more to hockey than just scoring and stats guys
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Nov. 25, 2023 at 4:01 p.m.
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I was just checking, but "Lacking Patience For" and Easily Annoyed" by "Stats Princesses", would be a far better description or definition for me

Selanne scored 76 times in his Rookie Season, but yeah, the 46 Bedard is currently projected and on pace for is certainly more realistic... But Where was I making any projections or going off just a few games!? What/Where's really your point here!?

Role players make all the difference come the playoffs and Coleman was absolutely vital in the Lightning's Playoff Success and Winning those Stanley Cups while he was there; hence my point that he may have been the missing piece to winning it again in 2022. He's that effective!

Assuming a player will do just as well when joining a new team or for a new team, especially the Flames is just ridiculous. Essentially any Flame could leave the organization now and I can pretty much guarantee they'd play the same but produce better almost anywhere else. It comes does to the style of play each team utilizes or identifies themselves by. I got Stats Princesses wanting to devalue Zadorov because we use him on the 3rd Pairing right now or Lindholm because he's only producing 0.75PPG right now. I got no patience for guys who just want to go off stats and completely ignore the full picture, as if they have any clue about the Flames or their players. Pens fans are the worst when it comes to evaluating Adam Vladar for example

You seem to forget JoeBlow here is equating Coleman's value to Girgensons and everybody here, except me, seems to believe this BS that Coleman's contract is bad, an over pay and/or that his play will somehow decline over the next 3 seasons with no justifiable reason.... Based on what!? Assumptions, Generalizations and Hopes/Attempts to justify straight up ridiculous and baseless opinion's!?

The Flames are getting exactly what Coleman was brought in for and knew they would get and therefore he is worth his contract. He will continue to do so as well as long as they hold on to him and the Team who has the best chance of landing him after this season is the Dallas Stars. There's far more to hockey than just scoring and stats guys


Ok, that's a lot to unpack but here we go:
1. As a Pens fan I am insulted by the Dan Vladar comment, in so far as I don't recall catching one trade on here with him going to PIT...and @MoxNix and I end up on a lot of the same threads. And I don't think he is a good fit in PIT anyway.
2. The stats analysis had to do with your thoughts that Coleman should be considered an over 40pts/year guy because 2 seasons, 3 and 4 years ago the guy had a better pts/game mark than any in his career, yet has never scored 40 pts in a single season. Call him what he is, which is a 30pt/season guy that does all the little things well.
3. That said, he is overpaid to do it, and CGY had to know it when they signed him. But they needed somebody to do it and probably had to overpay to get the player they wanted. Which is fine; but it doesn't negate that he is overpaid for what he provides.
4. Players over 30 dont age well. There are always exceptions - typically the Elite players last longer. But role players tens to lose their legs first, which negates some of his biggest assets which is being aggressive on the forecheck. Plus guarding ever younger/quicker D when he is on the PK gets harder and harder. Will he be a fine player at 33YO? Probably, but not the same guy he is now, nor was when he was in TBL. Again, that didn't make him s bad player, just overpaid. PIT never thought Carter would fall off of a cliff after his last deal, but look what happened.
5. Which gets us back to the main point of BUF is better off with Greenway and Girgensons this year, than 3 more years of Coleman.

Again this is simply IMHO. We aren't actually GM's, so it just makes for entertaining banter.
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Nov. 25, 2023 at 10:04 p.m.
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Buffalo is overpaying its fourth line, I don’t think there’s much of an argument against that. I don’t know why they gave Okposo so much money this year, but I think Girgensons got that deal as a reward for staying with the team as long as he has. I’m pretty sure they spent that much on them because they aren’t spending to the cap anyway. I don’t see either of them necessarily on the team next year. Maybe you haven’t looked at the long-term projection, but Buffalo spent all of their money on Dahlin and Power’s new contracts. Both of them are getting $7 million more each next year than they are this year. That’s why you can’t spend almost $5 million on 1 3rd line player.

That’s not correct at all. BUF has $23.2 million in available Cap Space to fill 6-7 spots next season with those extensions

It’s a moot point though, cause Coleman isn’t going to BUF, especially for Girgensons
Nov. 25, 2023 at 10:17 p.m.
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Ok, that's a lot to unpack but here we go:
1. As a Pens fan I am insulted by the Dan Vladar comment, in so far as I don't recall catching one trade on here with him going to PIT...and MoxNix and I end up on a lot of the same threads. And I don't think he is a good fit in PIT anyway.
2. The stats analysis had to do with your thoughts that Coleman should be considered an over 40pts/year guy because 2 seasons, 3 and 4 years ago the guy had a better pts/game mark than any in his career, yet has never scored 40 pts in a single season. Call him what he is, which is a 30pt/season guy that does all the little things well.
3. That said, he is overpaid to do it, and CGY had to know it when they signed him. But they needed somebody to do it and probably had to overpay to get the player they wanted. Which is fine; but it doesn't negate that he is overpaid for what he provides.
4. Players over 30 dont age well. There are always exceptions - typically the Elite players last longer. But role players tens to lose their legs first, which negates some of his biggest assets which is being aggressive on the forecheck. Plus guarding ever younger/quicker D when he is on the PK gets harder and harder. Will he be a fine player at 33YO? Probably, but not the same guy he is now, nor was when he was in TBL. Again, that didn't make him s bad player, just overpaid. PIT never thought Carter would fall off of a cliff after his last deal, but look what happened.
5. Which gets us back to the main point of BUF is better off with Greenway and Girgensons this year, than 3 more years of Coleman.

Again this is simply IMHO. We aren't actually GM's, so it just makes for entertaining banter.

There’s been plenty of Vladar to PIT threads. I even made one when both Jarry & Nedj were injured. I sent Vladar for injured Nedj + a 4th/5th. Thought you were one of the guys being pompous and laughing at me, but now I don’t think so, so I apologize for coming across rude. There was a Mr Gordaski or something that threw an absolute fit & tantrum though and went off about how much more he knew about hockey because he looks at advanced stats, bragging about being a Stats Princess. Anyways, I haven’t had great PIT Fans experiences on here thus far. Vladar’s not a fit, no problem

No, Coleman’s a 0.45-50PPG+ player theses days who was getting used to a new team and dealing with lingering injuries due to back to back Stanley Cup Runs. Like I told Dutchies, watch him and let’s have this discussion again toward the end of the season. He’s playing he is best hockey as a Flame right now

I don’t believe $4-5mil for a Middle-6 0.50PPG is over paid, perpetually when he doesn’t get Power Play Time and Kills Penalties very Efficiently. If you had a guy making $4mil/yr+ who received Power Play Minutes and wasn’t putting up over 0.50PPG, that would be an over pay

Jeff Carter didn’t fall off till he was 37…. Coleman’s 31 and the same guy he has been. He won’t fall off till at least 33-34 when his contract is up

Yes go ahead with those guys. 2 of which likely won’t be back next season anyways

Good talk!

@MoxNix. Did you read that, you wouldn’t make a good fit on PIT… Sorry bud, but you didn’t make the Team 😢
Nov. 26, 2023 at 12:22 a.m.
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There’s been plenty of Vladar to PIT threads. I even made one when both Jarry & Nedj were injured. I sent Vladar for injured Nedj + a 4th/5th. Thought you were one of the guys being pompous and laughing at me, but now I don’t think so, so I apologize for coming across rude. There was a Mr Gordaski or something that threw an absolute fit & tantrum though and went off about how much more he knew about hockey because he looks at advanced stats, bragging about being a Stats Princess. Anyways, I haven’t had great PIT Fans experiences on here thus far. Vladar’s not a fit, no problem

No, Coleman’s a 0.45-50PPG+ player theses days who was getting used to a new team and dealing with lingering injuries due to back to back Stanley Cup Runs. Like I told Dutchies, watch him and let’s have this discussion again toward the end of the season. He’s playing he is best hockey as a Flame right now

I don’t believe $4-5mil for a Middle-6 0.50PPG is over paid, perpetually when he doesn’t get Power Play Time and Kills Penalties very Efficiently. If you had a guy making $4mil/yr+ who received Power Play Minutes and wasn’t putting up over 0.50PPG, that would be an over pay

Jeff Carter didn’t fall off till he was 37…. Coleman’s 31 and the same guy he has been. He won’t fall off till at least 33-34 when his contract is up

Yes go ahead with those guys. 2 of which likely won’t be back next season anyways

Good talk!

MoxNix. Did you read that, you wouldn’t make a good fit on PIT… Sorry bud, but you didn’t make the Team 😢


Apparently I don't get on these threads as much as I thought! Lol! I don't remember Vladar being mentioned but there were a lot to sift through, so must have missed those.

Either way, he nor MoxNix would likely play well in net in PIT! LOL!

Carter has been over the hill since 35, but I could have found a better example; it was just the first that came to mind.

As for the trade it is about cap room too, and I would guess Okposo gets 1 more year, if he wants to come back. Girgensons is most likely done after this year. BUF needs the roster spots too.

If Coleman can maintain his PPG over a whole season, maybe he will get better with age. There are examples of it, just not many middle 6 players that seem to peak late. But given his cap hit I see several better fits in BUF. I would rather take on Pageau and his similar hit, since he plays a similar role but is primarily a center who is really good on face offs - an area BUF seems to be poor at.
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Nov. 26, 2023 at 3:24 a.m.
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That’s not correct at all. BUF has $23.2 million in available Cap Space to fill 6-7 spots next season with those extensions

It’s a moot point though, cause Coleman isn’t going to BUF, especially for Girgensons

Not sure what you mean by the Girgensons comment, you can’t trade a UFA. But if Coleman has a modified no trade clause, he probably wouldn’t want to come to Buffalo to end his career. I’m going to agree with one of the above posters, a player like Pageau would be more like what Buffalo really needs. That’s not saying a player like Coleman would not be useful, but they have other options there.
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