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Exploring Buch as Meier Comp

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Team: 2023-24 Vegas Golden Knights
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 27, 2023
Published: Nov. 27, 2023
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Trades
VGK
  1. Buchnevich, Pavel ($2,900,000 retained)
  2. Ellis, Colten
  3. Rosén, Calle
  4. Vorobyov, Ivan [Reserve List]
  5. 2024 5th round pick (STL)
Additional Details:
Meier 50% vs Buch - Read Descrip
Ibragimov - Contract not picked up by Devs but by Utica - Vorobyov
Scott Harrington - Depth - Rosen for cap reasons
G Zach Emond - Not picked up by NJD - Ellis
24 5th
STL
  1. Edstrom, David
  2. Hague, Nicolas
  3. Korczak, Kaedan
  4. 2024 1st round pick (VGK)
  5. 2025 2nd round pick (VGK)
  6. 2026 7th round pick (VGK)
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Zetterlund -> Hague +? (Zetterlund expiring RFA scoring at 2nd line rate. Hague little further along, probably a decent chance he's a #3/4 at this point)
Mukhamadullin -> Edstrom - (Muk drafted earlier in weaker draft. 20 vs 32OA for Edstrom
Andreas Johnsson (Dump) - No equivalent dump
Okhotiuk - Korczak (Pretty even after review)
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24 conditional 2nd - cond 25 2nd =
24 7th - 26 7th - but due to circumstance
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Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:15 p.m.
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If someone is trading for Buchnevich and getting him at half retained he should be fetching more than Meier IMO. Meier's a little younger and I think one could argue has a higher ceiling but getting a PPG player that typically has strong defensive metrics for two playoff runs and a full regular season at 2.9million should be coming with a high asset price. I also tend to think San Jose didn't do particularly well in that Meier trade.
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Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:20 p.m.
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Quoting: TheEarthmaster
If someone is trading for Buchnevich and getting him at half retained he should be fetching more than Meier IMO. Meier's a little younger and I think one could argue has a higher ceiling but getting a PPG player that typically has strong defensive metrics for two playoff runs and a full regular season at 2.9million should be coming with a high asset price. I also tend to think San Jose didn't do particularly well in that Meier trade.


I tend to agree, but I also personally like this specific looking return for the outlook of the Blues.

Looking back on it at this point in time it doesn't look like SJ did terribly great. That being said, Meier didn't produce all that great in NJD the first initial season.

I'm not an expert on Vegas, but that being said something like this does fill a lot of holes for the Blues youth. But it also creates a gigantic hole on the front end for the team. Probably a rather irreplaceable one.
Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:23 p.m.
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This is likely not the package I would go for, but definitely waaay better than the other one.
Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:25 p.m.
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Quoting: TheEarthmaster
If someone is trading for Buchnevich and getting him at half retained he should be fetching more than Meier IMO. Meier's a little younger and I think one could argue has a higher ceiling but getting a PPG player that typically has strong defensive metrics for two playoff runs and a full regular season at 2.9million should be coming with a high asset price. I also tend to think San Jose didn't do particularly well in that Meier trade.


I disagree on that.

Meier>Buch quite clearly imo.

meier was a rental + 8 years extension
buch is a rental +rental

Meier at 8x8.8 likely has more value around the league than 1 year of Buch at 2.9
Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:27 p.m.
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This is likely not the package I would go for, but definitely waaay better than the other one.


Do you mean the one that SJS received for Meier? I went through and it's about as close as I could actually get. The only indifference that could be had is Zetterlund vs. Hague. It's hard to have a real evaluation between the two and I would assume it's fairly even. Zetterlund was actually a pretty good player for New Jersey and has been decent for SJS given the circumstances.
Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:31 p.m.
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Do you mean the one that SJS received for Meier? I went through and it's about as close as I could actually get. The only indifference that could be had is Zetterlund vs. Hague. It's hard to have a real evaluation between the two and I would assume it's fairly even. Zetterlund was actually a pretty good player for New Jersey and has been decent for SJS given the circumstances.


No, I mean way better than your Buch-to-VAN idea.
Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:34 p.m.
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I disagree on that.

Meier>Buch quite clearly imo.

meier was a rental + 8 years extension
buch is a rental +rental

Meier at 8x8.8 likely has more value around the league than 1 year of Buch at 2.9


Alot of it is very circumstantial. Here's a question for you. What's more valuable Buchnevich at 2.9 + 2.9 + 8.5x 7 or 8. Or Meier at rental + 8.8 x 8? I like Meier's game but I find it hard to clearly state he's a better player than Buch. Especially if you look at how things have gone for him post trade. Not bad by any means but he's also doing worse in a much better situation. I'm also not sure he's quite as relied upon in the defensive zone and on the penalty kill as Buch is
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Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:35 p.m.
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No, I mean way better than your Buch-to-VAN idea.


Oh, I forgot about that one. Just trying to find comparables out there. In the end I don't think the Blues will move him but I wanted to see what an external take on something like this would look like
Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:41 p.m.
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Alot of it is very circumstantial. Here's a question for you. What's more valuable Buchnevich at 2.9 + 2.9 + 8.5x 7 or 8. Or Meier at rental + 8.8 x 8? I like Meier's game but I find it hard to clearly state he's a better player than Buch. Especially if you look at how things have gone for him post trade. Not bad by any means but he's also doing worse in a much better situation. I'm also not sure he's quite as relied upon in the defensive zone and on the penalty kill as Buch is


Meier at 3
Buch at 2.9

Meier provides a much more valuable and rare asset in top quality scoring and elite power forward (with strong defensive metrics as well), while buchnevich imo provides a much more common skillset

You can't control buch past next year as he's a UFA and he isn't even eligible for an extension yet so I simply can't add value for an extension that cannot exist yet.

If buch as a UFA gets only 8.5 with a higher cap, that shows that the market views him as less than how it viewed Meier.

I'd say as pure rentals Meier at 500k (50% retained + SJS took on 2.4 mill of pure dead cap that was buried in the minors) is worth at least a 2nd more than Buch.

And then the 1 year of buch at 2.9 mill after that vs the 8 years of meier. I'd again take the meier side.
Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:42 p.m.
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I wouldn’t trade Buchnevich until you at least try to extend him this summer. But I would draw a hard line on term. I don’t want the guy when he’s 36.
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Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:48 p.m.
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Quoting: dgibb10

Meier provides a much more valuable and rare asset in top quality scoring and elite power forward (with strong defensive metrics as well), while buchnevich imo provides a much more common skillset


Ehh... what?
Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:55 p.m.
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Ehh... what?


Meier is a 40 goal power forward. How many of those are there in the league?

Even just looking at buchnevich production, (yes I understand the NYR buch trade was a fleece), it isn't much higher/better than what it was in NYR, with the main differences simply being from more PP time. and the market at that time said he was worth a 2nd and Blais.
Nov. 27, 2023 at 5:01 p.m.
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Meier is a 40 goal power forward. How many of those are there in the league?

Even just looking at buchnevich production, (yes I understand the NYR buch trade was a fleece), it isn't much higher/better than what it was in NYR, with the main differences simply being from more PP time. and the market at that time said he was worth a 2nd and Blais.


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Nov. 27, 2023 at 5:06 p.m.
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I don't know what to tell you.
We saw what Buchnevich RFA rights went for. We saw the contract he got. His production 5v5 is virtually identical to what it was before then
The UFA market, especially on wingers has a peak, and it isn't all that high.

Meier had a large bidding war because his skillset is valued leaguewide. He got a contract that reflects that.

Just look at what Toffoli went for both times.
Nov. 27, 2023 at 5:18 p.m.
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I don't think Meier is right comp for Buchnevich.

Maybe....

Zucker 2020
Hoffman 2018
Perron 2015
Pominville 2013

So a return like...Edstrom, 1st, 3rd ....or Korczak, 1st, 2nd...
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Nov. 27, 2023 at 5:34 p.m.
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I don't know what to tell you.
We saw what Buchnevich RFA rights went for. We saw the contract he got. His production 5v5 is virtually identical to what it was before then
The UFA market, especially on wingers has a peak, and it isn't all that high.

Meier had a large bidding war because his skillset is valued leaguewide. He got a contract that reflects that.

Just look at what Toffoli went for both times.


Toffoli and buch aren’t remotely comparable.
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I don't know what to tell you.
We saw what Buchnevich RFA rights went for. We saw the contract he got. His production 5v5 is virtually identical to what it was before then
The UFA market, especially on wingers has a peak, and it isn't all that high.

Meier had a large bidding war because his skillset is valued leaguewide. He got a contract that reflects that.

Just look at what Toffoli went for both times.


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I don't think Meier is right comp for Buchnevich.

Maybe....

Zucker 2020
Hoffman 2018
Perron 2015
Pominville 2013

So a return like...Edstrom, 1st, 3rd ....or Korczak, 1st, 2nd...


https://stathead.com/hockey/versus-finder.cgi?player_id2=meierti01&player_id1=buchnpa01&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=hr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=buchnpa01

Not sure if that’ll link correctly. But the production is pretty similar. Even tilted towards Buchnevich. I know production isn’t everything. But considering Buchnevich is a pretty established good defensive player and pker I’m not sure how Meier getting more hits would really catapult him.

Less we factor in an additional year on top at 2.9m for a first line two way player which he was not in NYR, I’m just not sure I agree.

I need to do more digging on the other possible comps at the time. I just see virtually no way or reason for the Blues to move on from him now versus next deadline if the comp package is a 1st + 2/3 and a prospect. No reason even at the next deadline unless an extension cannot be reached.
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Nov. 27, 2023 at 5:39 p.m.
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I don't know what to tell you.
We saw what Buchnevich RFA rights went for. We saw the contract he got. His production 5v5 is virtually identical to what it was before then
The UFA market, especially on wingers has a peak, and it isn't all that high.

Meier had a large bidding war because his skillset is valued leaguewide. He got a contract that reflects that.

Just look at what Toffoli went for both times.


Buchnevich and Meier have similar skillsets and their numbers are pretty similar numbers in the previous 3-years.

Goal rate: Buch 0.4 Meier 0.42
Assist rate: Buch 0.61 Meier 0.41

Buch's 5v5 production goals and assists are better than Meier's as well.

Buch was basically undersold the same way D Toews was, if I'm not mistaken similar situation but also Buch struggled with injuries.
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Nov. 27, 2023 at 5:52 p.m.
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Toffoli and buch aren’t remotely comparable.



https://stathead.com/hockey/versus-finder.cgi?player_id2=meierti01&player_id1=buchnpa01&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=hr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=buchnpa01

Not sure if that’ll link correctly. But the production is pretty similar. Even tilted towards Buchnevich. I know production isn’t everything. But considering Buchnevich is a pretty established good defensive player and pker I’m not sure how Meier getting more hits would really catapult him.

Less we factor in an additional year on top at 2.9m for a first line two way player which he was not in NYR, I’m just not sure I agree.

I need to do more digging on the other possible comps at the time. I just see virtually no way or reason for the Blues to move on from him now versus next deadline if the comp package is a 1st + 2/3 and a prospect. No reason even at the next deadline unless an extension cannot be reached.


In terms of value though, I would still give favor to Meier just because he's younger, and more of a goal scorer, and even though NJ was only guaranteed 2-years, the first step for him is to negotiate a long-term contract before trying to accept the QO. On the other hand, in Buch's case, you're looking to extend him in that final year, and paying for UFA years as well. That being said the Blues could possibly do better than SJ did.
Nov. 27, 2023 at 5:54 p.m.
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I think this trade is pretty even. Me personally I wouldn't want to add in Vorobyov as he looked great in training camp. I think it makes the most sense to move Buch instead of signing him long term. I like this idea and it's original good job.
Nov. 27, 2023 at 5:55 p.m.
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Buchnevich and Meier have similar skillsets and their numbers are pretty similar numbers in the previous 3-years.

Goal rate: Buch 0.4 Meier 0.42
Assist rate: Buch 0.61 Meier 0.41


Meier in the 2 years pretrade:

134 games, 66 goals, 128 points.
with a whopping 581 shots

Buch in the last 3 years:
154 games, 64 goals, 159 points
370 shots
With meier being younger and a power forward is something GMs love.

They don't have similar skillsets. Timo is a power forward who generates boatloads of chances.

5v5 xGoals shares through the years
Buch: 49.7, 46.6, 52.8, 50.9, 52.9, 46.8, 49.1, 52.8
Timo: 48.6, 56.8, 53.5, 52, 51.6, 57.7, 54.3, 59.4

There's a reason the market gave RFA timo 8.8 and RFA buch 5.8

I think you're going to be vastly disappointed when your 28 year old PPG winger expiring as a UFA doesn't return what a 40 goal 26 year old power forward with RFA control did
Nov. 27, 2023 at 7:02 p.m.
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Quoting: dgibb10
Meier in the 2 years pretrade:

134 games, 66 goals, 128 points.
with a whopping 581 shots

Buch in the last 3 years:
154 games, 64 goals, 159 points
370 shots
With meier being younger and a power forward is something GMs love.

They don't have similar skillsets. Timo is a power forward who generates boatloads of chances.

5v5 xGoals shares through the years
Buch: 49.7, 46.6, 52.8, 50.9, 52.9, 46.8, 49.1, 52.8
Timo: 48.6, 56.8, 53.5, 52, 51.6, 57.7, 54.3, 59.4

There's a reason the market gave RFA timo 8.8 and RFA buch 5.8

I think you're going to be vastly disappointed when your 28 year old PPG winger expiring as a UFA doesn't return what a 40 goal 26 year old power forward with RFA control did


Why are you comparing 2 years to 3? Compare them in the same 3 years. You can also compare them career-wise as well they both played around the same games (Buchnevich less). Career-goal rates 0.31 for Buchnevich 0.34 for Meier and assists is 0.463 for Buch and 0.355 for Meier.

I could be wrong but I thought Buchnevich was a PWF.

Buchnevich signed his ELC at 21, signed 2-year bridge deal at 3.25M at 24, then 5.8Mx4 at 26. Meier had 4-years of ELC due to slide first signed at 19, then signed 6Mx4 as an RFA before signing 8.8Mx8. The difference is that Buchnevich signed before he put up 76 in 73 and 67 in 63, while Meier signed his 8.8Mx8 after his 76 in 77 and 63 in 67. If he was signing this year he would make a similar amount to Meier.

He's not my winger, but I wasn't saying that he was more valuable than Meier, was just that his numbers were similar and even slightly better in the last 3-years. I was also saying that it's possible for STL to get a better haul, but SJ actually didn't do bad at all: 1st + Mukhamadullin + the conditional 2nd (which could become a 1st) + some nice sweetners in Zetterlund and Okhotiuk. That being said if Buchnevich was to be traded now at 50%, retention he could still get a pretty good haul, two 1sts + two 3rds would probably be the minimum since he's a 2-year rental, with maybe they could get an additional 3rd or even a 2nd due to the retention.

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In terms of value though, I would still give favor to Meier just because he's younger, and more of a goal scorer, and even though NJ was only guaranteed 2-years, the first step for him is to negotiate a long-term contract before trying to accept the QO. On the other hand, in Buch's case, you're looking to extend him in that final year, and paying for UFA years as well. That being said the Blues could possibly do better than SJ did.
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Why are you comparing 2 years to 3? Compare them in the same 3 years. I could be wrong but I thought Buchnevich was a PWF.

Buchnevich signed his ELC at 21, signed 2-year bridge deal at 3.25M at 24, then 5.8Mx4 at 26. Meier had 4-years of ELC due to slide first signed at 19, then signed 6Mx4 as an RFA before signing 8.8Mx8. The difference is that Buchnevich signed before he put up 76 in 73 and 67 in 63, while Meier signed his 8.8Mx8 after his 76 in 77 and 63 in 67. If he was signing this year he would make a similar amount to Meier.

He's not my winger, but I wasn't saying that he was more valuable than Meier, was just that his numbers were similar and even slightly better in the last 3-years. I was also saying that it's possible for STL to get a better haul, but SJ actually didn't do bad at all: 1st + Mukhamadullin + the conditional 2nd (which could become a 1st) + some nice sweetners in Zetterlund and Okhotiuk. That being said if Buchnevich was to be traded now at 50%, retention he could still get a pretty good haul, two 1sts + two 3rds would probably be the minimum since he's a 2-year rental, with maybe they could get an additional 3rd or even a 2nd due to the retention.


Because meier is nearly 2 years younger than buchnevich. And so comparing meier from 20-21 when he was freshly 24 and had not yet broken out is not an apt comparison for buchnevich who turned 27 during his the 21-22 season.

If you want tho I can use Buchnevich age 24-26 seasons as a comp, keeping in mind he's still 200 days older than meier throughout this comp

195 games, 66 goals, 170 points

Meier 188 games 78 goals, 159 points

The devils didn't pay for meier's 24 and under production. Meier was acquired as a more productive, 2.5 years younger player wth RFA control compared to what buchnevich will be traded as.
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Because meier is nearly 2 years younger than buchnevich. And so comparing meier from 20-21 when he was freshly 24 and had not yet broken out is not an apt comparison for buchnevich who turned 27 during his the 21-22 season.

If you want tho I can use Buchnevich age 24-26 seasons as a comp, keeping in mind he's still 200 days older than meier throughout this comp

195 games, 66 goals, 170 points

Meier 188 games 78 goals, 159 points


Buchnevich and Meier were both rookies in 2016-17, Buchnevich was 21 and Meier was 19. Meier broke out in his contract year in 2018-19 when he was 22, he just got regressed for 2-years until he became PPG when scoring across the league went up, and it also happened to be a year his next contract year lol. If you're trying to say that Meier didn't break out until 2021-22 when he was 25, then Buchnevich didn't really break out until 2021-22 when he was 27. Buch is older by two years but they both have the same amount of NHL experience.

Of course, Buch had the opportunity to develop in the KHL, but at the end of the day his development wasn't more advanced than Meier's overall so there's no reason not to compare the same years, so he was putting more consistent number. Yes, in their rookie years Buch had the advantage but 3-years in Meier surpassed him and they both had a 0.56 PPG career-wise at the time. Buchnevich kept improving each year since his rookie year up until last, year he's having his first down year this year so far. Meier hasn't been so consistent, he's kind of like Jeff Skinner.
Nov. 27, 2023 at 7:40 p.m.
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Buchnevich and Meier were both rookies in 2016-17, Buchnevich was 21 and Meier was 19. Meier broke out in his contract year in 2018-19 when he was 22, he just got regressed for 2-years until he became PPG when scoring across the league went up, and it also happened to be a year his next contract year lol. If you're trying to say that Meier didn't break out until 2021-22 when he was 25, then Buchnevich didn't really break out until 2021-22 when he was 27. Buch is older by two years but they both have the same amount of NHL experience. Of course, Buch had the opportunity to develop in the KHL, but at the end of the day his development wasn't more advanced than Meier's so there's no reason not to compare the same years.


The devils paid for Meier based on his production 2 years before the trade. Trying to rope in years before his breakout to crank down his averages and make comparisons is disingenuous at best. I went back 3 years for Buchnevich because this current year is just 20 games in, and the 3rd year I added was his best year. I can take that year out but it means a smaller sample size for Buch with slightly worse numbers

The devils paid for a power forward 40 goal scorer who was 26 and had RFA control

Whoever buys buchnevich will be buying a 29 year old PPG winger without RFA control and isn't a power forward or 40 goal scorer
Nov. 27, 2023 at 8:04 p.m.
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The devils paid for Meier based on his production 2 years before the trade. Trying to rope in years before his breakout to crank down his averages and make comparisons is disingenuous at best. I went back 3 years for Buchnevich because this current year is just 20 games in, and the 3rd year I added was his best year. I can take that year out but it means a smaller sample size for Buch with slightly worse numbers

The devils paid for a power forward 40 goal scorer who was 26 and had RFA control

Whoever buys buchnevich will be buying a 29 year old PPG winger without RFA control and isn't a power forward or 40 goal scorer


Yeah, I'm not arguing that Meier is a trade comp for Buchnevich. I was just speaking to as players they are comparable. The Blues would be catering to the rental market, so if they do get a similar return to Meier (they won't because they won't get nearly as many pieces) it's for a whole other reason. A rental like Buch could would fetch like a 1st+3rd, so for 2-years they would probably get 2 1st+ two 3rds at the least if he's going at 50%. We saw what a low-cap hit could do (although it's not a flat cap), with the Hagel although he was an RFA with 3 years at 1.5M but here we are talking about a PPG player here who has a strong defensive game for just under 3M for two playoff runs. He's not a 40G scorer but he is a 30G scorer which still means a lot. Teams could pay.
 
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