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Bunting rewind

Created by: tml1967
Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 28, 2023
Published: Nov. 28, 2023
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Wanted to see what the Leafs would look like if they did the offseason differently.

- Sign Bunting instead of Reaves and Klingberg (Assume in T.O about a 10% savings on AAV, so Klingberg $)
- Dont sing a 4C to 2.4m
- Re-signed Zahorna
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  1. Tanev, Christopher ($2,250,000 retained)
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  1. Abruzzese, Nick
  2. Niemelä, Topi
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Nov. 28, 2023 at 2:21 p.m.
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Bunting's on the 4th line with the Canes and had 4 goals of which 3 were from pp1

NTU

Bullet dodged.
Nov. 28, 2023 at 2:22 p.m.
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Why assume he goes for less in TO?
I don't think you'll get Tanev, Flames are picking it up and are currently in the 2nd wild card after their win vs Vegas.
You'll probably get Zadorov eventually, my guess is the only thing holding it up is either TO can't find a 3rd team to retain on Z or TO is low balling since Zadorov made it public that he wants out
Nov. 28, 2023 at 2:28 p.m.
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Leafs decline to add niemela to the flames trade switch him with a 3rd and it’s a done deal
Nov. 28, 2023 at 2:32 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Bunting's on the 4th line with the Canes and had 4 goals of which 3 were from pp1

NTU

Bullet dodged.


lol yeah i mean the guy was just a product of how insanely good 34 is. without an allstar center he's a 40pt guy max. same situation with Nuge, Hyman, and even Drai to a lesser degree over in Edmonton
Nov. 28, 2023 at 2:54 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Bunting's on the 4th line with the Canes and had 4 goals of which 3 were from pp1

NTU

Bullet dodged.


I think him being on the fourth line is more of a testament to the depth of the Canes than any thing against Bunting. He hasn't been able to produce goals at even strength because he's being centered by Jack Drury who isn't going to produce much offense
Nov. 28, 2023 at 2:57 p.m.
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Quoting: seanrushton
I think him being on the fourth line is more of a testament to the depth of the Canes than any thing against Bunting. He hasn't been able to produce goals at even strength because he's being centered by Jack Drury who isn't going to produce much offense


Hes behind Martinhook

Thats how not well its going

You dont put a 4.5m guy on the 4th line behind pending UFA Martinhook

Its more of a sign of Brid'Amour ruining another player
Nov. 28, 2023 at 3:01 p.m.
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Hes behind Martinhook

Thats how not well its going

You dont put a 4.5m guy on the 4th line behind pending UFA Martinhook

Its more of a sign of Brid'Amour ruining another player


Hahaha... I mean the only reason he's behind Martinook is because Martinook only plays on the defensive shutdown line which happens to be third line and with how good that shutdown line is you do not break it up (1.33 xGA/60, 70.09 xGF%, 38.16 CA/60, 25.76 FA/60). He's producing at a better pace this year than he was last year... .59 compared to .63 p/g. Rod loves that Martinook-Staal-Fast line and for very good reason... So the fourth line is a scoring line (excluding Drury)
Nov. 28, 2023 at 3:27 p.m.
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There is no need to entertain the clowns


Fair enough
Nov. 28, 2023 at 3:41 p.m.
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Bunts is averaging the same PPG with the Canes as he did with the Leafs. Doing it in 15 mpg, which btw is about the same mins he played in Toronto as well.

Quoting: matty_top_2_not_2
lol yeah i mean the guy was just a product of how insanely good 34 is. without an allstar center he's a 40pt guy max. same situation with Nuge, Hyman, and even Drai to a lesser degree over in Edmonton
Nov. 28, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.
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Leafs issue was letting Hyman go…not Bunts. Oh, also signing BT as GM as well.
Nov. 28, 2023 at 3:43 p.m.
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Quoting: seanrushton
Hahaha... I mean the only reason he's behind Martinook is because Martinook only plays on the defensive shutdown line which happens to be third line and with how good that shutdown line is you do not break it up (1.33 xGA/60, 70.09 xGF%, 38.16 CA/60, 25.76 FA/60). He's producing at a better pace this year than he was last year... .59 compared to .63 p/g. Rod loves that Martinook-Staal-Fast line and for very good reason... So the fourth line is a scoring line (excluding Drury)


And thats the problem.

Carolina should experiment with a 3rd line like Toronto has done.

Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok

An all offense meets a defensive wing and a rookie whose game is coming together.

They should try Bunting-Staal-Fast as it combines different aspects that seem to work in a lot of cases

Fast is like Jarnkrok, Staal is the defense, and Bunting's the offense
Nov. 28, 2023 at 3:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac555
Leafs issue was letting Hyman go…not Bunts. Oh, also signing BT as GM as well.


Have you not been watching Knies 6 goals on 21 shots in his first NHL season so far

Lul

We dont really need either guy as for l925k we be getting some nice production.

Letting Bunting go was a pretty smart move in the end as we have been getting nice production from Knies, Robertson, Jarnkrok, etc.
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Nov. 28, 2023 at 3:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac555
Bunts is averaging the same PPG with the Canes as he did with the Leafs. Doing it in 15 mpg, which btw is about the same mins he played in Toronto as well.


first off, he is not on the same pace as he was with the leafs - he is currently on a 50 point pace.

second, almost 50% of his points are from the PP. not exactly something you can rely on all year long, and especially not in the playoffs.

third, i've watched bunting play about 20x the amount of minutes you've watched him play. believe me when i tell you there is very little skill there. the biggest part of his game was his Marchand-esque playstyle, but ever since the refs decided to unionize against him, he's been pretty much useless in fulfilling the only role he's serviceable in.
Nov. 28, 2023 at 3:55 p.m.
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TOR ; 112 points in 161 games = 0.696 ppg (58 p)
CAR ; 12 points in 19 games = 0.632 ppg (52 p)

Math is math, and your totally right, a 6 points per year difference in pace.

I didn’t mean to upset the Bunting expert, my apologies. The Canes brought him in to be a player who could play up and down the lineup and add a net front on the PP. At 4.5m he’s producing exactly as expected.

Quoting: matty_top_2_not_2
first off, he is not on the same pace as he was with the leafs - he is currently on a 50 point pace.

second, almost 50% of his points are from the PP. not exactly something you can rely on all year long, and especially not in the playoffs.

third, i've watched bunting play about 20x the amount of minutes you've watched him play. believe me when i tell you there is very little skill there. the biggest part of his game was his Marchand-esque playstyle, but ever since the refs decided to unionize against him, he's been pretty much useless in fulfilling the only role he's serviceable in.
Nov. 28, 2023 at 3:57 p.m.
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No I haven’t, really don’t care either and agree Leafs shouldn’t have re-signed Bunts. That was never my point.

I’m happy with him on the Canes.

Quoting: aadoyle
Have you not been watching Knies 6 goals on 21 shots in his first NHL season so far

Lul

We dont really need either guy as for l925k we be getting some nice production.

Letting Bunting go was a pretty smart move in the end as we have been getting nice production from Knies, Robertson, Jarnkrok, etc.
Nov. 28, 2023 at 4:15 p.m.
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I don’t see how this is any different than the line he’s playing on now. Bunting-Drury-Noesen. He’s been a very good line for the past few games.

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And thats the problem.

Carolina should experiment with a 3rd line like Toronto has done.

Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok

An all offense meets a defensive wing and a rookie whose game is coming together.

They should try Bunting-Staal-Fast as it combines different aspects that seem to work in a lot of cases

Fast is like Jarnkrok, Staal is the defense, and Bunting's the offense
Nov. 28, 2023 at 4:29 p.m.
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Quoting: matty_top_2_not_2
lol yeah i mean the guy was just a product of how insanely good 34 is. without an allstar center he's a 40pt guy max. same situation with Nuge, Hyman, and even Drai to a lesser degree over in Edmonton


All I know is when he was here, he seemed to have good chemistry with Matthews.
I like the idea of Bunting, Bertuzzi and Domi as people who stir the pot, all playing in your top 9.
Nov. 28, 2023 at 5:08 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
And thats the problem.

Carolina should experiment with a 3rd line like Toronto has done.

Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok

An all offense meets a defensive wing and a rookie whose game is coming together.

They should try Bunting-Staal-Fast as it combines different aspects that seem to work in a lot of cases

Fast is like Jarnkrok, Staal is the defense, and Bunting's the offense


I like Bunting-Staal-Fast for the reasons that you talk about but I do have concerns with the other bottom six line. I think that it's something that Rod could tinker with if the Drury line continues to struggle to produce. You could also reunite MSF against a team like Edmonton or the Rangers
Nov. 28, 2023 at 10:14 p.m.
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Now he’s on a better pace than Leafs…14 points in 20 games.

Quoting: Caniac555
TOR ; 112 points in 161 games = 0.696 ppg (58 p)
CAR ; 12 points in 19 games = 0.632 ppg (52 p)

Math is math, and your totally right, a 6 points per year difference in pace.

I didn’t mean to upset the Bunting expert, my apologies. The Canes brought him in to be a player who could play up and down the lineup and add a net front on the PP. At 4.5m he’s producing exactly as expected.
 
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