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Nov. 30, 2023 at 10:50 a.m.
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If you swap Brown for Holloway or Bourgault it would make sense but, What is the incentive for MTL?
Edmonton improves its goaltending and can hope Anderson bounces back a little but, MTL saves 500K for 4yrs and maybe a 4th if they flip Brown at the deadline, not enough to make this trade IMO
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 11:01 a.m.
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It's a good idea, gives a shot for both Campbell and Anderson to bounce back on a different team.
Worst case their buyouts are quite similar as well, I could maybe see a 3rd or 4th going Montreal's way in this deal just as a bit of an equalizer but otherwise its quite fair.
Nov. 30, 2023 at 11:02 a.m.
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If you swap Brown for Holloway or Bourgault it would make sense but, What is the incentive for MTL?
Edmonton improves its goaltending and can hope Anderson bounces back a little but, MTL saves 500K for 4yrs and maybe a 4th if they flip Brown at the deadline, not enough to make this trade IMO


1. Save a little money in short term
2. Also save some on potential buyout...(and acquire more front loaded buyout)

Campbell Buyout
2024-25: $1.0m
2025-26: $2.3m
2026-27: $2.6m
2027-28: $1.5m
2028-29: $1.5m
2029-30: $1.5m

Anderson Buyout
2024-25: $0.2m
2025-26: $2.2m
2026-27: $3.7m
2027-28: $1.7m
2028-29: $1.7m
2029-30: $1.7m
Nov. 30, 2023 at 11:05 a.m.
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I can't see KH entertaining the idea of moving the current best goalie option in the organization, who he's trying to resign, to swap ugly contracts and take Brown who is essentially a warm body.

The idea may have merit but this wouldn't be the execution of the idea.
Nov. 30, 2023 at 11:06 a.m.
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Oilers get 2 nhlers, MTL get $23M in debt. Makes zero sense.
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 11:06 a.m.
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I can't see KH entertaining the idea of moving the current best goalie option in the organization, who he's trying to resign, to swap ugly contracts and take Brown who is essentially a warm body.

The idea may have merit but this wouldn't be the execution of the idea.


How would you change?
Nov. 30, 2023 at 11:08 a.m.
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1. Save a little money in short term
2. Also save some on potential buyout...(and acquire more front loaded buyout)

Campbell Buyout
2024-25: $1.0m
2025-26: $2.3m
2026-27: $2.6m
2027-28: $1.5m
2028-29: $1.5m
2029-30: $1.5m

Anderson Buyout
2024-25: $0.2m
2025-26: $2.2m
2026-27: $3.7m
2027-28: $1.7m
2028-29: $1.7m
2029-30: $1.7m


Yeah but MTL isn't strapped for cash, saving money on a potential buyout won't change much for them
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 11:20 a.m.
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How would you change?


probably an incentive for a developing team like Mtl. A pick or prospect. But honestly, can't see them doing this. Anderson is still a 20 goal scorer at his height and weight and speed. The assets he has are harder to replace than the assets Campbell has. Campbell would be the third goalie in the mix, and it'd be subtracting a 27yo and adding a 32yo to Allen's 33 and Primeau's inexperienced 25yo.

I honestly don't see Montembeault being moved without a high pick. I don't beleive Kent Hughes would make a trade that would involve assets that would bring Montembeault's price down. Maybe with Allen to void retention, but not Montembeault at $1M.

If this trade is done, two years later when Fowler and Dobes are coming up, Allen is 35 and probably done. Campbell is 33 and probably done(also how would he handle the media?), and Primeau is 27. It just doesn't feel like a win for Montreal at all.
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 11:31 a.m.
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How would you change?


It would be including Allen instead of Monty for sure, and swap Brown for an incentive for MTL since we're not in a rush to move paychecks nor do we really need to.

Probably a retention of some sort on Allen in this case but Monty/Anderson > Brown/Campbell every time imo.

EDM would be the one trying to move salaries and improve to make a push so they'll have to pay for that assistance.
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 11:37 a.m.
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Oilers get 2 nhlers, MTL get $23M in debt. Makes zero sense.


habs are giving debt back in josh anderson
Nov. 30, 2023 at 11:49 a.m.
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just for fun.

how do you break down the trade value here.
Nov. 30, 2023 at 11:55 a.m.
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habs are giving debt back in josh anderson


He's still an NHLer on a bad streak and actually plays well. Just a lack of finishing and luck. Campbell in the other hand is just dead weight and nobody in it right mind thinks he'll come back to a NHL starter level. And well taking on Brown means making a $3.2M check for nothing.

We'll gladly keep Anderson. Thanks for nothing.
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 12:10 p.m.
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He's still an NHLer on a bad streak and actually plays well. Just a lack of finishing and luck. Campbell in the other hand is just dead weight and nobody in it right mind thinks he'll come back to a NHL starter level. And well taking on Brown means making a $3.2M check for nothing.

We'll gladly keep Anderson. Thanks for nothing.


habs fans denial of anderson is one of the funniest things on this website, 5.5m 3rd liner for 3 more years with zero goals
Nov. 30, 2023 at 1:17 p.m.
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just for fun.

how do you break down the trade value here.


Campbell for Anderson
Brown for Monty
Nov. 30, 2023 at 1:19 p.m.
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It would be including Allen instead of Monty for sure, and swap Brown for an incentive for MTL since we're not in a rush to move paychecks nor do we really need to.

Probably a retention of some sort on Allen in this case but Monty/Anderson > Brown/Campbell every time imo.

EDM would be the one trying to move salaries and improve to make a push so they'll have to pay for that assistance.


MTL gives: Allen (50%) + Anderson
EDM gives: Campbell + Lavoie

(?)
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 1:27 p.m.
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Campbell for Anderson
Brown for Monty


i agree with the first part

but the problem is the brown for.monty. brown is gonna be a 4mil cap hit for a guy who doesnt produce anything at all and monty is a 1mil starting goaltender for us.
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 1:29 p.m.
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i agree with the first part

but the problem is the brown for.monty. brown is gonna be a 4mil cap hit for a guy who doesnt produce anything at all and monty is a 1mil starting goaltender for us.


Fair.

Changed to Allen (50%) for Lavoie instead.
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 1:39 p.m.
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MTL gives: Allen (50%) + Anderson
EDM gives: Campbell + Lavoie

(?)


It's heading the right direction anyway, this is for sure closer than your original proposal. Some will be okay with it, some won't. Personally I'd want a little more (not to be greedy) but if we were absolutely hard pressed to move Anderson immediately I guess I could live with this (if we're buying out Campbell anyway). Of course if the idea is that both sides are doing buyouts of those contracts then the point is basically moot. I see Anderson slightly higher than Campbell but not by much at this point, then more or less Allen 50% would be about a singular prospect of interest.

All in all pretty close I guess, comes down to personal preference after that.
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 2:03 p.m.
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habs fans denial of anderson is one of the funniest things on this website, 5.5m 3rd liner for 3 more years with zero goals


Probably because you only watch the score sheet and we watch the actual games...

It's only 4 less than Wilson, for Half the salary! Only 3 less than Tkachuck an Gaudreau... after just 20 games, relax...
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 2:07 p.m.
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Probably because you only watch the score sheet and we watch the actual games...

It's only 4 less than Wilson, for Half the salary! Only 3 less than Tkachuck an Gaudreau... after just 20 games, relax...


anderson currently makes more, also 1 less than ryan reaves lmao, he hasnt scored since march, hes not good get over yourself
Nov. 30, 2023 at 2:09 p.m.
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anderson currently makes more, also 1 less than ryan reaves lmao, he hasnt scored since march, hes not good get over yourself


And as much goal as Domi. Whoua Whoua! Cry me a river....
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 2:13 p.m.
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And as much goal as Domi. Whoua Whoua! Cry me a river....


domi makes 2.5 less and has 11 assists, say it with me "josh anderson isnt good! he is overpaid and does nothing to warrant the money he makes!" aint worth anything in a trade either
Nov. 30, 2023 at 2:46 p.m.
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domi makes 2.5 less and has 11 assists, say it with me "josh anderson isnt good! he is overpaid and does nothing to warrant the money he makes!" aint worth anything in a trade either


Yeah they have different names too! Good eye!

Dude, there's 50 fowardsmaking more than $4.5M with less than 5 goals so far... IT AINT SPECIAL. Tippet, Tarasenko, Cirelli, Rackel, Zucker, Eberle, Palat....

Please let me know how Anderson is the worse of them, I really care....
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 3:09 p.m.
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Yeah they have different names too! Good eye!

Dude, there's 50 fowardsmaking more than $4.5M with less than 5 goals so far... IT AINT SPECIAL. Tippet, Tarasenko, Cirelli, Rackel, Zucker, Eberle, Palat....

Please let me know how Anderson is the worse of them, I really care....


yeah but anderson has ZERO as in not a single one, im taking all those guys over anderson maybe minus rakell why are we moving the goal posts? nvm I know why, youre trying to push a narrative. youre delusional, you know nothing jon snow
Nov. 30, 2023 at 4:07 p.m.
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yeah but anderson has ZERO as in not a single one, im taking all those guys over anderson maybe minus rakell why are we moving the goal posts? nvm I know why, youre trying to push a narrative. youre delusional, you know nothing jon snow


ok got it. the difference between a good player and a bad one is a single goal.

I'm not moving the goal post at all, just provided you plenty of examples of good players with bad stats. And Anderson is one of them. Again, I highly suggest you watch some games if you want to have discussions about it. Or maybe it's just fanbase bashing you 're interested in...

Good comeback, never heard that one... You must be out of argument to just copy my profile description.

Boy did I learned wasting my time with you today!
 
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