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A favour for the Oilers

Created by: Beggars_be_Leaf
Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 2, 2023
Published: Dec. 2, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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TOR
  1. Campbell, Jack
  2. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
  3. 2025 1st round pick (EDM)
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2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$81,973,117$0$0$1,526,883
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 2
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$3,641,667$3,641,667
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$762,500$762,500
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$775,000$775,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$875,000$875,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,150,000$4,150,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Dec. 2, 2023 at 11:43 p.m.
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Lol rangers pass
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Dec. 2, 2023 at 11:46 p.m.
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That's not a favour lol if you're asking them to pay two 1sts.

And what in the hell is that Rangers offer?
Dec. 2, 2023 at 11:48 p.m.
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TMZ reporting!
Dec. 2, 2023 at 11:50 p.m.
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None of this makes an ounce of sense.
Dec. 2, 2023 at 11:54 p.m.
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I am sorry Ranger fans. Can we all just pretend this didn't happen and still be friends? <3
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Dec. 2, 2023 at 11:56 p.m.
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Why would Rangers do that?
Dec. 3, 2023 at 12:02 a.m.
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That Goodrow trade is almost as dumb as thinking Stamkos signs in Toronto.
Dec. 3, 2023 at 12:03 a.m.
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Quoting: GolfBall
Why would Rangers do that?


They under no circumstance would.
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Dec. 3, 2023 at 12:18 a.m.
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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
That Goodrow trade is almost as dumb as thinking Stamkos signs in Toronto.


Lol, not really and it's not even close. Stamkos wants to be a career Bolt and if it's up to him he will be, but if the team kicks him to the curb as Chicago did to Kane (it would be for different reasons of course but the result would be the same). If that happens then it's reasonable to think that he might sign in Toronto, whether or not JBB even considers letting him go or if Stamkos was actually in reality opposed to signing in Toronto if he ends up an FA. There's no way for fans to know what Stamkos would or would not do if he ends up an FA. On the other hand, to quote you "[the Rangers] under no circumstance would" do that trade.
Dec. 3, 2023 at 12:27 a.m.
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Quoting: GMBL
Lol, not really and it's not even close. Stamkos wants to be a career Bolt and if it's up to him he will be, but if the team kicks him to the curb as Chicago did to Kane (it would be for different reasons of course but the result would be the same). If that happens then it's reasonable to think that he might sign in Toronto, whether or not JBB even considers letting him go or if Stamkos was actually in reality opposed to signing in Toronto if he ends up an FA. There's no way for fans to know what Stamkos would or would not do if he ends up an FA. On the other hand, to quote you "[the Rangers] under no circumstance would" do that trade.


No it really isn't he realized what a f***ING nightmare it would be when he left Toronto after meeting them and immediately the next morning took a deal that had been offered 8 months earlier. He may not be in TB ,but he WON'T BE IN TORONTO!!!!
Dec. 3, 2023 at 12:42 a.m.
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Quoting: sens65
That's not a favour lol if you're asking them to pay two 1sts.

And what in the hell is that Rangers offer?


Goodrow and Campbell are exactly comparable- no chance of being anything but a salary cap blocker over the next four years. Goodrow might have some value this year, marginally better than the best C you might call up from the minors, but otherwise plays himself off the roster over four years, and sooner rather than later. Campbell is a lottery ticket for four years. He has the tools to be an all star, and at some point over four years might regain confidence enough to be an NHL backup. A good bet for the Rangers. Quick might look great now, but old goalies get bad…well, quickly.
Dec. 3, 2023 at 2:07 a.m.
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Edited Dec. 3, 2023 at 6:59 a.m.
Quoting: Beggars_be_Leaf
Goodrow and Campbell are exactly comparable- no chance of being anything but a salary cap blocker over the next four years. Goodrow might have some value this year, marginally better than the best C you might call up from the minors, but otherwise plays himself off the roster over four years, and sooner rather than later. Campbell is a lottery ticket for four years. He has the tools to be an all star, and at some point over four years might regain confidence enough to be an NHL backup. A good bet for the Rangers. Quick might look great now, but old goalies get bad…well, quickly.


Take a step back and think about it though. Not only is Goodrow cheaper, but he's also a roster player on NYR, which Campbell would not be. Campbell very clearly does not have the tools to be an all-star, not now and certainly not in the future, and the Rangers have Shestyerkin already. Why would the Rangers have more need for Campbell than the Leafs if he supposedly has all star potential, especially if they're trading Samsonov?
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Dec. 3, 2023 at 8:13 a.m.
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Leafs will never bring Campbell back
Dec. 5, 2023 at 2:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Affectionate_Side_64
Take a step back and think about it though. Not only is Goodrow cheaper, but he's also a roster player on NYR, which Campbell would not be. Campbell very clearly does not have the tools to be an all-star, not now and certainly not in the future, and the Rangers have Shestyerkin already. Why would the Rangers have more need for Campbell than the Leafs if he supposedly has all star potential, especially if they're trading Samsonov?


Quoting: Affectionate_Side_64
Take a step back and think about it though. Not only is Goodrow cheaper, but he's also a roster player on NYR, which Campbell would not be. Campbell very clearly does not have the tools to be an all-star, not now and certainly not in the future, and the Rangers have Shestyerkin already. Why would the Rangers have more need for Campbell than the Leafs if he supposedly has all star potential, especially if they're trading Samsonov?


I take your points, but my premise is that goalies are up and down at the best of times. You can get a three million dollar free agent that wins you the cup, or you can pay ten million for a guy who underperforms for years and looses the starting job to a guy making league minimum. But then ten million dollar guy suddenly gets hot and takes a 17th place team to the finals.

So Campbell has all the physical tools still, as far as I know. He rises and sinks, from all star to AHL, based on his confidence. NYR are set for starting goalie, and have found stardust this year with Quick, but Quick illustrates this phenomenon. Played himself off the Kings, who aren’t bursting with goalie talent, but bounces back for this quarter season at age 39. But at that age, even the up and down goalie rule applies less and less. You become a down and down-further goalie.

Campbell could be stashed in the AHL as an insurance policy for four years for any team and brought back up when needed and when cap space permits, knowing he would always pass through wavers. The big factor in this scenario though is that to do this you would have to have lots of cap space for up to four years, and I chose NYR since there are few teams with contracts as bad as that of Goodrow. Maybe Vlasic in San Jose or Pageau for NYI are other options.

I find these deals intriguing, trying to find alternate teams to trade your bad contracts to. I don’t really understand why huge buyouts like OEL in Vancouver or the cap hell the Wild voluntarily put themselves through occur. It seems like a lack of imagination, or perhaps lack of patience, on the part of NHL GMs that they do this. Here on armchair GM I guess the easy out is just to say, trade them to Chicago or Arizona with some pics and prospects, or maybe this year it’s trade them to the Ducks or the Sharks. But it’s more interesting to try and think of hockey trades where both sides would get some benefit from the players involved.
 
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