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Despite the cost it might still be worth it for the Oilers

Team: 2023-24 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 8, 2023
Published: Dec. 8, 2023
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  1. McDonagh, Ryan
  2. Saros, Juuse ($2,200,000 retained)
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  1. Broberg, Philip
  2. Campbell, Jack
  3. Ceci, Cody
  4. Lavoie, Raphael
  5. Savoie, Carter
  6. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
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  8. 2026 1st round pick (EDM)
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Way more than it would probably cost for EDM, but the point is that there's almost no price they shouldn't e willing to pay for a deal like this, which is why I purposely exaggerated the cost. This would make them clear cup favourites for the next 2 years and IMO would almost guarantee them a cup.
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Dec. 8, 2023 at 11:32 p.m.
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I think this would be a great trade for the Oilers. But I don't think the value is there for Nashville.
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Dec. 8, 2023 at 11:39 p.m.
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I think this would be a great trade for the Oilers. But I don't think the value is there for Nashville.


I'm not an Oilers fan, and as a Leafs fan the last thing I want to do is see them improve their obvious deficiencies before we do. But that is a MASSIVE overpay by the Oilers that NSH would be incredibly stupid not to take. And yes, I get how good Saros has been and that he's be coming with retention, I get how awful Campbell's contract is, etc. etc. No matter what argument you make, this trade heavily favours the preds in terms of overall asset value.
Dec. 8, 2023 at 11:44 p.m.
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I'm not an Oilers fan, and as a Leafs fan the last thing I want to do is see them improve their obvious deficiencies before we do. But that is a MASSIVE overpay by the Oilers that NSH would be incredibly stupid not to take. And yes, I get how good Saros has been and that he's be coming with retention, I get how awful Campbell's contract is, etc. etc. No matter what argument you make, this trade heavily favours the preds in terms of overall asset value.


Nope.

Campbell cap dump.
Broberg & Lavoie are free falling assets.
Carter is marginal.
Ceci is worthless cap filler.

9 dimes don't make a dollar.

Sorry.
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Dec. 9, 2023 at 12:30 a.m.
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9 dimes don't make a dollar.



Well said sir
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Dec. 9, 2023 at 12:55 a.m.
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Fans are really galaxy braining this Campbell affair. He'll cost a ton to dump. The org only cares about the next 3 years under McDrai. You buy out Campbell at 1.5M a year and be done with it.
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Dec. 9, 2023 at 12:59 a.m.
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Nope.

Campbell cap dump.
Broberg & Lavoie are free falling assets.
Carter is marginal.
Ceci is worthless cap filler.

9 dimes don't make a dollar.

Sorry.


Lol, so Broberg and Lavoie are free falling assets despite having just turned 22 and 23 years old this year, with both having done nothing to prove they aren't well on their way to becoming a top 4 D with size and mobility and a top 6 PWF. Do you think there'd be any news about a 22 year old defenseman looking for a trade if he wasn't already being blocked by Nurse and Ekholm in the top 4, despite the fact he's only 22?

It's truly hilarious that you'd describe the Oilers side of the trade as having the free falling assets, when that's literally what both Saros and McDonagh are at this point. Despite that fact, NSH would be getting even more than they would if both were in their absolute primes, which Saros is closer to but McDonagh is well past. Ceci is already playing the same role as McDonagh on the Oilers, with roughly the same results. Even if McDonagh were a slight upgrade today in terms of ability, Ceci would still be way more valuable at less than half his cap hit. Swapping McDonagh with Ceci and Broberg would probably be an immediate improvement to their defense, not to mention how much better it would be for the future of their backend.

You can talk about Campbell being a cap dump, but that's essentially what McDonagh is as well, as proven by Tampa having dumped him 2 years ago, when he was even younger and better than he is now. The cap would be a wash until the end of next year, and then you'd actually be saving 1.75 mil for the next year when McDonagh will be 37.

Carter is a bonus as there's already more than enough value here for NSH, but you can still take a gamble on him becoming a contributor. And to add to 22 year old Broberg, 23 year old Lavoie and 21 year old Carter, you have TWO FIRSTS AND A SECOND. Keeping in mind that guys like Josi, Saros and ROR were all taken in the 2nd round or later, and that you're a rebuilding/retooling team who has Askarov on the way.

9 dimes don't make a dollar, we all know that. You just don't know how to count change, or you're mistaking dimes for loonies and twoonies.
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Dec. 9, 2023 at 1:01 a.m.
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Saros is unavailable. Came from Trotz mouth himself.

And Leafs fans should really not make Oilers trades lol. If you don’t know the team then just don’t say nothing.

Anyways, the Campbell situation isn’t even a Cap emergency. The absolute worst case is you buy him out, then you a save about 3Mish on the cap. So spend that 3M on a goalie and you are in the exact same situation goalie cap spend wise. 7.6M invested into your tandem is actually CHEAP in this League.

So no, Oilers will not be sending the equivalent of 3 firsts to ship off Campbell. You know nothing about the Oilers if you think that’s a possibility. Absolutely nothing.
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Dec. 9, 2023 at 1:15 a.m.
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Saros is unavailable. Came from Trotz mouth himself.

And Leafs fans should really not make Oilers trades lol. If you don’t know the team then just don’t say nothing.

Anyways, the Campbell situation isn’t even a Cap emergency. The absolute worst case is you buy him out, then you a save about 3Mish on the cap. So spend that 3M on a goalie and you are in the exact same situation goalie cap spend wise. 7.6M invested into your tandem is actually CHEAP in this League.

So no, Oilers will not be sending the equivalent of 3 firsts to ship off Campbell. You know nothing about the Oilers if you think that’s a possibility. Absolutely nothing.


So what do you think they should do, resign him at 8 x 8 when he's 30 years old and Askarov is just entering his prime as arguably the most highly touted goalie prospect of his generation? Rather than getting a boatload of assets for him while they're retooling?

I already noted that this is an overpay from the Oilers, which is the obvious reason NSH would have to accept this offer. I'm making the point that almost anything is worth paying to fit their window, before guys like Kane, McDavid, Draisatl and Ekholm expire.

You act as if you're saying something intelligent when you're actually just spewing a bunch of nonsense. First of all, this isn't a trade where the Oilers are spending 3 1sts to dump Campbell. He's part of a trade that would see them acquiring Saros and McDonagh, a pretty important part of this trade, no? Also, you talk as though the Oilers could easily go out and acquire a legit starter for $3 mil without assets. Saros is literally the best goaltender the Oilers could conceivably target, and they'd be getting him at $3 mil for the next 2 years. McDonagh would be an upgrade on Ceci and would give the Oilers a top tier backend, to go along with the best forward core in the league and an elite goaltender.

If the Oilers make this trade, they are cup favourites for the 2 years. If they don't and are unable to acquire a legit starter, they miss out on their window and could potentially see McDavid and Drai walk.
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Dec. 9, 2023 at 1:21 a.m.
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So what do you think they should do, resign him at 8 x 8 when he's 30 years old and Askarov is just entering his prime as arguably the most highly touted goalie prospect of his generation? Rather than getting a boatload of assets for him while they're retooling?

I already noted that this is an overpay from the Oilers, which is the obvious reason NSH would have to accept this offer. I'm making the point that almost anything is worth paying to fit their window, before guys like Kane, McDavid, Draisatl and Ekholm expire.

You act as if you're saying something intelligent when you're actually just spewing a bunch of nonsense. First of all, this isn't a trade where the Oilers are spending 3 1sts to dump Campbell. He's part of a trade that would see them acquiring Saros and McDonagh, a pretty important part of this trade, no? Also, you talk as though the Oilers could easily go out and acquire a legit starter for $3 mil without assets. Saros is literally the best goaltender the Oilers could conceivably target, and they'd be getting him at $3 mil for the next 2 years. McDonagh would be an upgrade on Ceci and would give the Oilers a top tier backend, to go along with the best forward core in the league and an elite goaltender.

If the Oilers make this trade, they are cup favourites for the 2 years. If they don't and are unable to acquire a legit starter, they miss out on their window and could potentially see McDavid and Drai walk.


I'd easily give up Broberg and 2 1sts for Saros with retention. The rest is needless filler with a few cap dumps that is confusing a few ppl including me at first lol The more I think about it, the retention really makes all the difference. This is actually a very very good trade for the Oilers. Indeed. I doubt youll get many to change their minds though. This placed is filled with tribalist mouthbreathers.
Dec. 9, 2023 at 1:50 a.m.
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So what do you think they should do, resign him at 8 x 8 when he's 30 years old and Askarov is just entering his prime as arguably the most highly touted goalie prospect of his generation? Rather than getting a boatload of assets for him while they're retooling?

I already noted that this is an overpay from the Oilers, which is the obvious reason NSH would have to accept this offer. I'm making the point that almost anything is worth paying to fit their window, before guys like Kane, McDavid, Draisatl and Ekholm expire.

You act as if you're saying something intelligent when you're actually just spewing a bunch of nonsense. First of all, this isn't a trade where the Oilers are spending 3 1sts to dump Campbell. He's part of a trade that would see them acquiring Saros and McDonagh, a pretty important part of this trade, no? Also, you talk as though the Oilers could easily go out and acquire a legit starter for $3 mil without assets. Saros is literally the best goaltender the Oilers could conceivably target, and they'd be getting him at $3 mil for the next 2 years. McDonagh would be an upgrade on Ceci and would give the Oilers a top tier backend, to go along with the best forward core in the league and an elite goaltender.

If the Oilers make this trade, they are cup favourites for the 2 years. If they don't and are unable to acquire a legit starter, they miss out on their window and could potentially see McDavid and Drai walk.


There’s so many things they could do. First off, Askarov is not a sure bet, no goalie is. But sure, let’s assume he becomes what he’s supposed to become. He’s still 2 maybe 3 years away atleast. And then when he hits the league he will still need a good vet around to take the pressure off. So developing him in tandem with Saros for another 2 years is fine. From there you’ll know what you actually have in BOTH goalies and you make a call on who to move. If these goalies are as good as being touted their values shouldn’t fall off the map in 4 years. A decision can be made then and still get a haul.

Yeh it’s an overpay, an overpay that Edmonton would want no part of. So nice fantasy, but the trade literally works for neither team. McDonaugh has a NMC too and is at the tale end of his career, dude was falling off years ago, let alone now. If he even wants to go to Edmonton were then looking at 6.7M for him? Yeh I’m good.

I’d rather save the assets and go with a tandem of Calder finalist Skinner/whoever@3M. There’s enough potential in Skinners game at his age to avoid losing all those assets when Skinner could very well be good enough. And if you don’t think that, you might want to compare Skinners save percentage in the last 6 games to Saros. .931 vs. .926. Now I don’t say that to say Skinner is better than Saros, but he’s close enough with enough upward potential that it would be stupid to make a panic move for a goaltender, especially with the buy out option readily and FREEly available.

And goalies are readily available in that 3M range to be Skinners 1B. Blackwood was traded for a 6th and look how good he’s doing for the Sharks.
The smart asset management move here is to find a cheap underperforming goalie like Blackwood, and put him behind a better defence in Edmonton and see what you can cook up. And the worst case scenario is that Skinner just continues to be the 1A if it doesn’t work out and that goalie just walks. Rinse and repeat and do the same thing next year.
Dec. 9, 2023 at 1:56 a.m.
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Lol, so Broberg and Lavoie are free falling assets despite having just turned 22 and 23 years old this year, with both having done nothing to prove they aren't well on their way to becoming a top 4 D with size and mobility and a top 6 PWF. Do you think there'd be any news about a 22 year old defenseman looking for a trade if he wasn't already being blocked by Nurse and Ekholm in the top 4, despite the fact he's only 22?

It's truly hilarious that you'd describe the Oilers side of the trade as having the free falling assets, when that's literally what both Saros and McDonagh are at this point. Despite that fact, NSH would be getting even more than they would if both were in their absolute primes, which Saros is closer to but McDonagh is well past. Ceci is already playing the same role as McDonagh on the Oilers, with roughly the same results. Even if McDonagh were a slight upgrade today in terms of ability, Ceci would still be way more valuable at less than half his cap hit. Swapping McDonagh with Ceci and Broberg would probably be an immediate improvement to their defense, not to mention how much better it would be for the future of their backend.

You can talk about Campbell being a cap dump, but that's essentially what McDonagh is as well, as proven by Tampa having dumped him 2 years ago, when he was even younger and better than he is now. The cap would be a wash until the end of next year, and then you'd actually be saving 1.75 mil for the next year when McDonagh will be 37.

Carter is a bonus as there's already more than enough value here for NSH, but you can still take a gamble on him becoming a contributor. And to add to 22 year old Broberg, 23 year old Lavoie and 21 year old Carter, you have TWO FIRSTS AND A SECOND. Keeping in mind that guys like Josi, Saros and ROR were all taken in the 2nd round or later, and that you're a rebuilding/retooling team who has Askarov on the way.

9 dimes don't make a dollar, we all know that. You just don't know how to count change, or you're mistaking dimes for loonies and twoonies.


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Lol, so Broberg and Lavoie are free falling assets despite having just turned 22 and 23 years old this year, with both having done nothing to prove they aren't well on their way to becoming a top 4 D with size and mobility and a top 6 PWF. Do you think there'd be any news about a 22 year old defenseman looking for a trade if he wasn't already being blocked by Nurse and Ekholm in the top 4, despite the fact he's only 22?

It's truly hilarious that you'd describe the Oilers side of the trade as having the free falling assets, when that's literally what both Saros and McDonagh are at this point. Despite that fact, NSH would be getting even more than they would if both were in their absolute primes, which Saros is closer to but McDonagh is well past. Ceci is already playing the same role as McDonagh on the Oilers, with roughly the same results. Even if McDonagh were a slight upgrade today in terms of ability, Ceci would still be way more valuable at less than half his cap hit. Swapping McDonagh with Ceci and Broberg would probably be an immediate improvement to their defense, not to mention how much better it would be for the future of their backend.

You can talk about Campbell being a cap dump, but that's essentially what McDonagh is as well, as proven by Tampa having dumped him 2 years ago, when he was even younger and better than he is now. The cap would be a wash until the end of next year, and then you'd actually be saving 1.75 mil for the next year when McDonagh will be 37.

Carter is a bonus as there's already more than enough value here for NSH, but you can still take a gamble on him becoming a contributor. And to add to 22 year old Broberg, 23 year old Lavoie and 21 year old Carter, you have TWO FIRSTS AND A SECOND. Keeping in mind that guys like Josi, Saros and ROR were all taken in the 2nd round or later, and that you're a rebuilding/retooling team who has Askarov on the way.

9 dimes don't make a dollar, we all know that. You just don't know how to count change, or you're mistaking dimes for loonies and twoonies.


I actually do understand where your trade idea is coming from though and it’s completely reasonable. I think where the disconnect is, that you are assuming Skinner is trash. If he was trash, your trade does make sense for a win now type trade.
Dec. 9, 2023 at 2:17 a.m.
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I actually do understand where your trade idea is coming from though and it’s completely reasonable. I think where the disconnect is, that you are assuming Skinner is trash. If he was trash, your trade does make sense for a win now type trade.


He is and has been trash though, that's not even a matter of opinion at this point. That's not to say he won't be better in the future, but Edmonton can't afford to take the gamble of waiting on him. If Edmonton had Saros as their starter last postseason, with McDonagh in place of Ceci, then it's almost a guarantee they would have beat Vegas, after which they'd probably be the ones to go onto a cup win. That's how bad Skinner was, and how good Saros is. This trade would pretty much guarantee a cup win for Edmonton IMO, which is precisely the reason this is a win now type trade.
Dec. 9, 2023 at 2:24 a.m.
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He is and has been trash though, that's not even a matter of opinion at this point. That's not to say he won't be better in the future, but Edmonton can't afford to take the gamble of waiting on him. If Edmonton had Saros as their starter last postseason, with McDonagh in place of Ceci, then it's almost a guarantee they would have beat Vegas, after which they'd probably be the ones to go onto a cup win. That's how bad Skinner was, and how good Saros is. This trade would pretty much guarantee a cup win for Edmonton IMO, which is precisely the reason this is a win now type trade.


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He is and has been trash though, that's not even a matter of opinion at this point. That's not to say he won't be better in the future, but Edmonton can't afford to take the gamble of waiting on him. If Edmonton had Saros as their starter last postseason, with McDonagh in place of Ceci, then it's almost a guarantee they would have beat Vegas, after which they'd probably be the ones to go onto a cup win. That's how bad Skinner was, and how good Saros is. This trade would pretty much guarantee a cup win for Edmonton IMO, which is precisely the reason this is a win now type trade.


See this is why I said you need to be an Oilers fan to actually know what you are talking about when it comes to the Oilers. No offence but maybe stay in your own lane.

Skinner isn’t trash, the trash that has infected Edmonton for the last 2 years has been bad team defence. You would agree on that point right? It’s also why Campbell behind Torontos defence could stay afloat and why he failed so spectacularly in Edmonton.

If you actually watched those playoffs and then took time to review the goals against to assign blame on those goals. You would see that the majority of them were from defensive breakdowns that left the goalie complete out to dry. It’s the same thing that killed the Oilers to start this season.

Right after we make a coaching change, the defence starts improving and look at that, Skinner has 6 straight wins under his belt sporting one of the best save percentages in the League in that time frame (better than Saros last 6 games by the way).

The problem is and has always been team defence. After that’s been solved then you can get an accurate read of a goalies performance. The Oilers are seeing only now what Skinner can do with average to good team defence; something we’ve never had before.
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See this is why I said you need to be an Oilers fan to actually know what you are talking about when it comes to the Oilers. No offence but maybe stay in your own lane.

Skinner isn’t trash, the trash that has infected Edmonton for the last 2 years has been bad team defence. You would agree on that point right? It’s also why Campbell behind Torontos defence could stay afloat and why he failed so spectacularly in Edmonton.

If you actually watched those playoffs and then took time to review the goals against to assign blame on those goals. You would see that the majority of them were from defensive breakdowns that left the goalie complete out to dry. It’s the same thing that killed the Oilers to start this season.

Right after we make a coaching change, the defence starts improving and look at that, Skinner has 6 straight wins under his belt sporting one of the best save percentages in the League in that time frame (better than Saros last 6 games by the way).

The problem is and has always been team defence. After that’s been solved then you can get an accurate read of a goalies performance. The Oilers are seeing only now what Skinner can do with average to good team defence; something we’ve never had before.


You had the same defense in the playoffs and we saw what he could do then. He literally got pulled in 3 of 6 games against Vegas, so not only was he bad, he was so bad that he got pulled at a rate of 50% of his games that series. He was noticeably, objectively awful and that's not even a matter of debate for any honest/intelligent person. Any goalie is capable of good games, that's why you view their overall sample. Skinner was awful in the playoffs, and has not been good this year for the most part either. Saros has been better overall because he's a better goaltender. You have issues on the backend, but anyone with a brain can see your biggest issues are in net. This trade addresses both of those positions, and still allows Skinner room to become your starter of the future without the pressure of crushing his team's playoff hopes because he's asked to do too much too soon, as a result of the guy you signed to be your starter in the AHL making 5 x 5.
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You had the same defense in the playoffs and we saw what he could do then. He literally got pulled in 3 of 6 games against Vegas, so not only was he bad, he was so bad that he got pulled at a rate of 50% of his games that series. He was noticeably, objectively awful and that's not even a matter of debate for any honest/intelligent person. Any goalie is capable of good games, that's why you view their overall sample. Skinner was awful in the playoffs, and has not been good this year for the most part either. Saros has been better overall because he's a better goaltender. You have issues on the backend, but anyone with a brain can see your biggest issues are in net. This trade addresses both of those positions, and still allows Skinner room to become your starter of the future without the pressure of crushing his team's playoff hopes because he's asked to do too much too soon, as a result of the guy you signed to be your starter in the AHL making 5 x 5.


No. We had the same DefenceMEN. It’s not the same as saying we had the same defence. The defensive structure and defensive philosophy has been completely changed under Knoblauch.

Again, watch the games, you are just looking at NHL.com game logs and pretending you know what you are talking about. The team defence failed them against the Knights, same with the Avs, and same reason calgary of all teams scored 9 goals in one game against us. These were ALL Woodcroft teams with Manson as defensive coach who was horrible. He had one of the best PKs under Tippet turn to one of the worst with no changes to personnel. That lack of attention to PK defence also manifested 5v5, the Oilers have been defensive tire fire for 2 years under that coaching regime.

You can repeat your same points over and over and ignore my counterpoints, but it will never make it more true.
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No. We had the same DefenceMEN. It’s not the same as saying we had the same defence. The defensive structure and defensive philosophy has been completely changed under Knoblauch.

Again, watch the games, you are just looking at NHL.com game logs and pretending you know what you are talking about. The team defence failed them against the Knights, same with the Avs, and same reason calgary of all teams scored 9 goals in one game against us. These were ALL Woodcroft teams with Manson as defensive coach who was horrible. He had one of the best PKs under Tippet turn to one of the worst with no changes to personnel. That lack of attention to PK defence also manifested 5v5, the Oilers have been defensive tire fire for 2 years under that coaching regime.

You can repeat your same points over and over and ignore my counterpoints, but it will never make it more true.


I've already acknowledged their D was part of the issue, so let's simplify things here. Do you think Skinner was good enough in the playoffs last year?
Dec. 9, 2023 at 3:29 a.m.
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I've already acknowledged their D was part of the issue, so let's simplify things here. Do you think Skinner was good enough in the playoffs last year?


Behind this new defence, yes I believe he can be good enough.

Behind last years defence, you cannot say because it was a complete **** show defensively.
Dec. 9, 2023 at 3:33 a.m.
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I've already acknowledged their D was part of the issue, so let's simplify things here. Do you think Skinner was good enough in the playoffs last year?


Let me ask you a question now? Do you think Toronto had good enough goaltending the last 3 runs let’s say?
Dec. 9, 2023 at 3:55 a.m.
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Behind this new defence, yes I believe he can be good enough.

Behind last years defence, you cannot say because it was a complete **** show defensively.


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Behind this new defence, yes I believe he can be good enough.

Behind last years defence, you cannot say because it was a complete **** show defensively.


Yes, anyone who is being honest can say he was awful last year. What more evidence do you need than him being pulled in 3 of 6 games before falling to VGK? The defense was not nearly as bad as the goaltending. They way your forward group has played suggests Hyman, Kane, Nuge, and McDavid would all be worth about 3 mil more each than what they're being paid right now. Your getting great value now and should be the favourites to win the cup because of that. Aside from maybe upgrading on Ceci, I think your defense is capable of winning a cup behind that forward group as well. And even despite Campbell's failures, and Skinner's noticeable struggles in the playoffs, you're going to continue to gamble all that on a tandem of Skinner and Pickard?
Dec. 9, 2023 at 4:03 a.m.
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Yes, anyone who is being honest can say he was awful last year. What more evidence do you need than him being pulled in 3 of 6 games before falling to VGK? The defense was not nearly as bad as the goaltending. They way your forward group has played suggests Hyman, Kane, Nuge, and McDavid would all be worth about 3 mil more each than what they're being paid right now. Your getting great value now and should be the favourites to win the cup because of that. Aside from maybe upgrading on Ceci, I think your defense is capable of winning a cup behind that forward group as well. And even despite Campbell's failures, and Skinner's noticeable struggles in the playoffs, you're going to continue to gamble all that on a tandem of Skinner and Pickard?


Have you ever heard a coach after a goalie was pulled. They are always asked in the presser about it. And they will say: Sometimes it’s on the goalie. Sometimes it’s on the team, and they just needed a new look in net to change momentum. So you can’t really use goalies pulled to assign blame. You just can’t. The only way to really know is to go back and watch the goals against and figure out where the break down was. I assure you, the defence broke down much more than the goaltending did through out our last 2 playoff runs.
Dec. 9, 2023 at 4:12 a.m.
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Have you ever heard a coach after a goalie was pulled. They are always asked in the presser about it. And they will say: Sometimes it’s on the goalie. Sometimes it’s on the team, and they just needed a new look in net to change momentum. So you can’t really use goalies pulled to assign blame. You just can’t. The only way to really know is to go back and watch the goals against and figure out where the break down was. I assure you, the defence broke down much more than the goaltending did through out our last 2 playoff runs.


You can't use a goalie being pulled 3 times in a 6 game series to assign blame? You are so full of **** it's unbelievable. Let's be clear here, he is still young and has potential to be a solid goalie, but he was absolutely, laughably, horrendously ****ing awful in the playoffs and no one can pretend otherwise. Defensive breakdowns happen, but you need your goalie to make saves way more often than Skinner did. In the series clinching game the Oilers are somehow able to limit VGK to 17 shots against Skinner and 21 shots total, and Skinner lets in 4....

You're on an island with your take here, but acting as though you're aware of something no one else is. You're not, that's called delusion my friend.
Dec. 9, 2023 at 12:19 p.m.
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Lol, so Broberg and Lavoie are free falling assets despite having just turned 22 and 23 years old this year, with both having done nothing to prove they aren't well on their way to becoming a top 4 D with size and mobility and a top 6 PWF. Do you think there'd be any news about a 22 year old defenseman looking for a trade if he wasn't already being blocked by Nurse and Ekholm in the top 4, despite the fact he's only 22?

It's truly hilarious that you'd describe the Oilers side of the trade as having the free falling assets, when that's literally what both Saros and McDonagh are at this point. Despite that fact, NSH would be getting even more than they would if both were in their absolute primes, which Saros is closer to but McDonagh is well past. Ceci is already playing the same role as McDonagh on the Oilers, with roughly the same results. Even if McDonagh were a slight upgrade today in terms of ability, Ceci would still be way more valuable at less than half his cap hit. Swapping McDonagh with Ceci and Broberg would probably be an immediate improvement to their defense, not to mention how much better it would be for the future of their backend.

You can talk about Campbell being a cap dump, but that's essentially what McDonagh is as well, as proven by Tampa having dumped him 2 years ago, when he was even younger and better than he is now. The cap would be a wash until the end of next year, and then you'd actually be saving 1.75 mil for the next year when McDonagh will be 37.

Carter is a bonus as there's already more than enough value here for NSH, but you can still take a gamble on him becoming a contributor. And to add to 22 year old Broberg, 23 year old Lavoie and 21 year old Carter, you have TWO FIRSTS AND A SECOND. Keeping in mind that guys like Josi, Saros and ROR were all taken in the 2nd round or later, and that you're a rebuilding/retooling team who has Askarov on the way.

9 dimes don't make a dollar, we all know that. You just don't know how to count change, or you're mistaking dimes for loonies and twoonies.


I disagree with you.

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