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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 14, 2023
Published: Dec. 14, 2023
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  1. Järnkrok, Calle
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (NYI)
  4. 2025 3rd round pick (TOR)
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21$83,500,000$81,316,450$0$15,000$2,183,550
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
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UFA - 1
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 2
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,985,000$1,985,000 (Performance Bonus$15,000$15K)
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$812,500$812,500
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$4,400,000$4,400,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,925,000$1,925,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$875,000$875,000
G
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$766,667$766,667
G
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
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RD
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Dec. 14, 2023 at 9:47 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
Gibson's also faced the most shots in the NHL every year over the last 2-3 years... He's also faced high quality shots... This is bc of being on a rebuilding ANA team... Can't really blame him for that


Facinga lot of shots gets you some leeway in the way that if a top 10 guy looks like he's in the mid teens sort of way. If it makes you look worse than a bunch of replacement level starters for years and years it simply means you are bad.
And he was already on a pretty sharp downswing before the ducks rebuild started, back when their defence was basically manson, lindholm, fowler etc etc in their primes. He is a huge part of why they are bad
Dec. 14, 2023 at 9:48 a.m.
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Well ‘saved above expected’ means you should save the shot; sure there’s some grey area on how / who calculated what shots should be saved, etc but point is it is supposed to isolate goalie from team. And personally I don’t buy the ‘he’s great, it’s the team that sucks’ argument. He’s washed imo, one of the worst contracts in the league but 🤷🏻 to each their own.

I’d prefer Saros or Hart
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Dec. 14, 2023 at 9:48 a.m.
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Boy you leafs fans that keep trading your only solid prospects really want to live in mediocrity forever huh?


The poster of this AGM certainly does
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Dec. 14, 2023 at 9:48 a.m.
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Quoting: MitchJr
Dude has been underwater (negative goals saved above expected) for every year in the past 5. This is first year he is above water. Combine that with his contract, safe to say he is terrible


And hes very rapidly sinking again. He had a hot start when the ducks pdo was sky high and he's been falling fast over the past 10 games
Dec. 14, 2023 at 9:49 a.m.
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I get that Aquatic. But how often are you going to this much skill in your lineup? I’ve been a Leafs fan for over 30 years and have never had this much talent. We have about a 4-5 year window to win while these guys are all at their best and under contract. So yes, in this situation I would definitely give up some future for the NOW.


You are giving up the future for garbage
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Dec. 14, 2023 at 9:49 a.m.
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Quoting: MitchJr
Well ‘saved above expected’ means you should save the shot; sure there’s some grey area on how / who calculated what shots should be saved, etc but point is it is supposed to isolate goalie from team. And personally I don’t buy the ‘he’s great, it’s the team that sucks’ argument. He’s washed imo, one of the worst contracts in the league but 🤷🏻 to each their own.


When you lead the league in shots faced... You're bound to make mental mistakes...

I'm not saying he's great... But it's that he's not terrible
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Dec. 14, 2023 at 9:50 a.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Facinga lot of shots gets you some leeway in the way that if a top 10 guy looks like he's in the mid teens sort of way. If it makes you look worse than a bunch of replacement level starters for years and years it simply means you are bad.
And he was already on a pretty sharp downswing before the ducks rebuild started, back when their defence was basically manson, lindholm, fowler etc etc in their primes. He is a huge part of why they are bad


Quoting: Leafsfan98
When you lead the league in shots faced... You're bound to make mental mistakes...

I'm not saying he's great... But it's that he's not terrible


This ^
Dec. 14, 2023 at 9:50 a.m.
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What you don’t seem to understand Herb is that Savard and Allen both have term left, which makes them more valuable than those UFA’s at years end.


Having term while being worse players doesn't increase value, it makes them worse.
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Dec. 14, 2023 at 9:53 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
This ^


Again, when you are literally one of the worst goalies in the league by every metric facing a lot of shots means that, at best, you are in early 20s for starters. That is pretty damned bad, especially when you have a giant contract
Dec. 14, 2023 at 10:17 a.m.
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Leafs obviously decline both of these lmao I wouldn’t give a 7th for either player both are not good definitely on par with timmins lol
Dec. 14, 2023 at 10:19 a.m.
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Let's see. Leafs have Reaves so they don't need Pezzatta. Samsonov is as good as Allen, maybe better. Jarnkrok is as good as Monahan. Brodie is better than Savard.
So the Leafs trade for 4.4m Murphy who isn't much better than 1.4mLiljegren. and give up Minten, Niemla and two thirds. That's awful for the Leafs
Brodie's and Jarnkrok's M NTC have too be considered....going to non playoff team. And maybe even Murphy's
Leafs are much better having Brodie and Samsonov as UFAs and having 8.5m in cap next summer rather than Allen and Savard on the team at 6.8km
Dec. 14, 2023 at 10:27 a.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Again, when you are literally one of the worst goalies in the league by every metric facing a lot of shots means that, at best, you are in early 20s for starters. That is pretty damned bad, especially when you have a giant contract


He isn't this year though... He's a lot better... Bc the guy in the 3rd row isn't in the starting lineup...

He's not great but he isn't bad
Dec. 14, 2023 at 10:29 a.m.
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Not gonna touch on the values here, everyone has an opinion and not many people agree.

From all of this, TOR could use Monahan this year as a versatile add. I've thought for a while the Leafs should be targeting Murphy. But the rest I just don't see as plausible. Your fanbase is in love with Lilly, can't actually see him going anywhere. As much as I'd love Minten, he also isn't likely to be going anywhere. Cap wise, making a move for Lankinen in NSH (retained if necessary) would make more sense for a G addition. NSH also has plenty of rugged 4th liners you could be targeting, Pezz is a solid 4th liner imo if that's who you'd prefer though.

The Brodie move seems obvious as the money out part of the trades, I'm a fan of his but his cap hit makes it tough to make other moves.

Monahan (possible retention), Murphy, Lankinen (possible retention), + additional depth pieces would be a solid tdl for Toronto imo, and yes I'm aware this is from an outsiders pov.
Dec. 14, 2023 at 10:32 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
He isn't this year though... He's a lot better... Bc the guy in the 3rd row isn't in the starting lineup...

He's not great but he isn't bad


No, he isnt bettet this year, he had a hot start like his entire team and was buoyed by riding percentages, he has been trending down fast over the past month plus.
He is bad, and a good month doesn't change that
Dec. 14, 2023 at 10:38 a.m.
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No, he isnt bettet this year, he had a hot start like his entire team and was buoyed by riding percentages, he has been trending down fast over the past month plus.
He is bad, and a good month doesn't change that


He is though...

One bad month doesn't change that
Dec. 14, 2023 at 10:45 a.m.
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Let's see. Leafs have Reaves so they don't need Pezzatta. Samsonov is as good as Allen, maybe better. Jarnkrok is as good as Monahan. Brodie is better than Savard.
So the Leafs trade for 4.4m Murphy who isn't much better than 1.4mLiljegren. and give up Minten, Niemla and two thirds. That's awful for the Leafs
Brodie's and Jarnkrok's M NTC have too be considered....going to non playoff team. And maybe even Murphy's
Leafs are much better having Brodie and Samsonov as UFAs and having 8.5m in cap next summer rather than Allen and Savard on the team at 6.8km


Reaves will never play a playoff game so why not get a 4th liner that can keep up to the play and still willing to drop the mitts if needed.
I see Allen as a more stable goaltender if he had a better team in front of him. Sick of Sammy’s one soft goal a game minimum.
Sorry but Jarnkrok is not as good as Monaghan, who also plays C, so his value is even higher.

I see Brodie and Savard almost as equals but Savard is bigger and more physical, plus makes 1.5M less and has term left on his deal.
Dec. 14, 2023 at 10:46 a.m.
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Quoting: SomeonesOffended
Leafs obviously decline both of these lmao I wouldn’t give a 7th for either player both are not good definitely on par with timmins lol


Sometimes I wished they offered an unlike button. I do not see eye to eye with your views. But hey, it’s your opinion
Dec. 14, 2023 at 10:47 a.m.
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He is though...

One bad month doesn't change that


No, but 5 bad years do
Dec. 14, 2023 at 10:49 a.m.
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Reaves will never play a playoff game so why not get a 4th liner that can keep up to the play and still willing to drop the mitts if needed.
I see Allen as a more stable goaltender if he had a better team in front of him. Sick of Sammy’s one soft goal a game minimum.
Sorry but Jarnkrok is not as good as Monaghan, who also plays C, so his value is even higher.

I see Brodie and Savard almost as equals but Savard is bigger and more physical, plus makes 1.5M less and has term left on his deal.


Wait, so the leafs badly need defence, so you want to add defence from the habs and a goalie while using the excuse that the habs are bad? So wouldn't allen look worse behind a team that is so bad defensively it needs guys from a team that is bad at defence?
And again, if allen cant put up good numbers this year behind as a backup with no pressure then why are you so sure he's gonna put up good numbers with a good team and tons of pressure?
After all, he is soft mentally
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Dec. 14, 2023 at 10:52 a.m.
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Reaves will never play a playoff game so why not get a 4th liner that can keep up to the play and still willing to drop the mitts if needed.
I see Allen as a more stable goaltender if he had a better team in front of him. Sick of Sammy’s one soft goal a game minimum.
Sorry but Jarnkrok is not as good as Monaghan, who also plays C, so his value is even higher.

I see Brodie and Savard almost as equals but Savard is bigger and more physical, plus makes 1.5M less and has term left on his deal.


Bigger and more physical????? So maybe the Leafs should fill their lineup with six "Benoits". Sorry that is not a reason at all. Good is better than big. Don't want Savard's term. Pezzatta as 4th liner on the Habs makes him non better than 5th liner on the Leafs.....like Reaves.
Dec. 14, 2023 at 10:56 a.m.
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Wait, so the leafs badly need defence, so you want to add defence from the habs and a goalie while using the excuse that the habs are bad? So wouldn't allen look worse behind a team that is so bad defensively it needs guys from a team that is bad at defence?
And again, if allen cant put up good numbers this year behind as a backup with no pressure then why are you so sure he's gonna put up good numbers with a good team and tons of pressure?
After all, he is soft mentally


He won the Stanley cup 4 years ago with great numbers. Continually over 900 save% his whole career. Just need him to back up. He would be a better mentor for Woll than Swiss Sammy is
Dec. 14, 2023 at 10:58 a.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Bigger and more physical????? So maybe the Leafs should fill their lineup with six "Benoits". Sorry that is not a reason at all. Good is better than big. Don't want Savard's term. Pezzatta as 4th liner on the Habs makes him non better than 5th liner on the Leafs.....like Reaves.

Huh? Reaves is too slow and they won’t play him in playoffs. Just going after a 4th liner who could play every night and bring a tough guy presence
Dec. 14, 2023 at 11:00 a.m.
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No, but 5 bad years do


He hasn't been bad for 5 years
Dec. 14, 2023 at 11:01 a.m.
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He won the Stanley cup 4 years ago with great numbers. Continually over 900 save% his whole career. Just need him to back up. He would be a better mentor for Woll than Swiss Sammy is


Four years ago eh? Wow, thats really impressive save the part where it was binnington who backstopped that team 90% of thr way and that it has no baring on what he is today. And why on earth would you want a backup mentoring a guy you want to be a starter?
Lol, continually over 900 is not good, especially for a backup who gets fed the softer starts
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Dec. 14, 2023 at 11:02 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
He hasn't been bad for 5 years


Yeah, he really has, all you gotta do is look at any number that shows actual results
 
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