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Team: 2023-24 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 17, 2023
Published: Dec. 17, 2023
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A new goalie? (Check)
A new d-man who fits Coffey's system? (Check)
A bonafide 3C? (Check)

Mcleod works much better as a winger anyways
Trades
1.
CBJ
  1. Broberg, Philip
  2. Campbell, Jack
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (EDM)
  4. 2025 1st round pick (EDM)
2.
EDM
  1. 2024 6th round pick (ANA)
3.
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DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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21$83,500,000$83,483,096$850,000$3,225,000$16,904
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,125,000$5,125,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 6
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$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
C
RFA - 2
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$5,125,000$5,125,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,821,429$1,821,429
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$775,000$775,000 (Performance Bonus$3,225,000$3M)
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$807,500$807,500
RW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$5,400,000$5,400,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$2,600,000$2,600,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$2,600,000$2,600,000
G
UFA - 3
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1

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Dec. 17, 2023 at 1:54 a.m.
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Huge overpay for Hayes, even with retention. The Blues got him at 50% retained for a 6th. I like the guy, but man is he slow.
Dec. 17, 2023 at 1:56 a.m.
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Why Kevin Hayes to the Oilers?
Trading a first round 2025 draft pick to Columbus would be a bad call, in my opinion.
I rather have the Oilers keep the first round 2025 draft pick.
Dec. 17, 2023 at 2:05 a.m.
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Quoting: Vancity2196
Why Kevin Hayes to the Oilers?
Trading a first round 2025 draft pick to Columbus would be a bad call, in my opinion.
I rather have the Oilers keep the first round 2025 draft pick.


What's so valuable about the 25'first?

Hayes serves as a proven veteran 3C which Edmonton needs badly, couldn't find anyone else who fit under the cap.

Gourde was my #1 option though for that package
Dec. 17, 2023 at 2:06 a.m.
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Quoting: JuanDamienNebraska
Huge overpay for Hayes, even with retention. The Blues got him at 50% retained for a 6th. I like the guy, but man is he slow.


Im still shocked they got him for that.

I mean a 45-60 point 3C for only 3 million? That's worth a late first is it not?

Edmonton has a ton of speed on that line to compliment him in Foegele and Brown
Dec. 17, 2023 at 2:17 a.m.
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There’s no reason to retain 50% on Hayes for those two. I admittedly don’t have much faith in Halloway. Others may be more inclined.
Dec. 17, 2023 at 3:38 a.m.
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Lower the retention ask and we'll talk. Columbus obviously busts a gut laughing.
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Dec. 17, 2023 at 10:58 a.m.
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Elvis is at least a serviceable NHL starter.

Campbell has gone through waivers.
Dec. 17, 2023 at 12:50 p.m.
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I'd honestly consider the Columbus deal. I'd like it more if we just left Broberg and Boqvist out of it, Columbus doesn't have a spot for either but at least Boqvist has been NHL-level. Aside from that it's a 1st to move Campbell (assuming it's unprotected) and a 2nd for Elvis. It would signal punting on the season, on which case the focus becomes rehabbing Campbell, or finding out what you have with Tarasov and Greaves. I love Elvis, but those are two really good assets for a goalie that has been above average when he's good, but likely isn't part of the core when the team is actually competitive.
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Dec. 17, 2023 at 1:46 p.m.
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Elvis is at least a serviceable NHL starter.

Campbell has gone through waivers.


Oh trust me Campbell is terrible but Elvis has been very iffy and is being paid 5.4 million long term. Over the last three seasons he's averaged a below.900 SV%.

It's a broberg for Boqvist swap to give both fresh starts and then the 1st,2nd and Campbell for Elvis.

What would Elvis be worth on his own?
Dec. 17, 2023 at 1:47 p.m.
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There’s no reason to retain 50% on Hayes for those two. I admittedly don’t have much faith in Halloway. Others may be more inclined.


The blues are a team avoiding a youth movement whether they're competitive or not. Guys like Hayes, Parayko and Buch really have no use for them at this point. Would't they rather move on from those guys and build around Thomas,Kyrou and Neighbours instead of trying to compete for a WC2 spot?
Dec. 17, 2023 at 1:48 p.m.
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Lower the retention ask and we'll talk. Columbus obviously busts a gut laughing.


Oh trust me Campbell is terrible but Elvis has been very iffy and is being paid 5.4 million long term. Over the last three seasons he's averaged a below.900 SV%.

It's a broberg for Boqvist swap to give both fresh starts and then the 1st,2nd and Campbell for Elvis.

What would Elvis be worth on his own?


Also how much would the retention be lowered? It's like 1.5 million for 2 seasons. How much would a difference of 500k really be.
Dec. 17, 2023 at 2:04 p.m.
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The blues are a team avoiding a youth movement whether they're competitive or not. Guys like Hayes, Parayko and Buch really have no use for them at this point. Would't they rather move on from those guys and build around Thomas,Kyrou and Neighbours instead of trying to compete for a WC2 spot?


Should they? Or will they?

Armstrong and co seems to be putting more of a focus on building a culture vs accumulating pieces. I see the reasoning. You look at a team like Boston vs a team like Buffalo. The results speak for themselves. But someone in the front office doesn’t appear to want to undergo an extended rebuild
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Dec. 17, 2023 at 4:32 p.m.
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Oh trust me Campbell is terrible but Elvis has been very iffy and is being paid 5.4 million long term. Over the last three seasons he's averaged a below.900 SV%.

It's a broberg for Boqvist swap to give both fresh starts and then the 1st,2nd and Campbell for Elvis.

What would Elvis be worth on his own?


Also how much would the retention be lowered? It's like 1.5 million for 2 seasons. How much would a difference of 500k really be.


Heh.

1 - So you've used save percentage as the measure. Okay, now factor in the difference in teams they've played for. Quite a gulf there. Elvis was not good last season (who was on that team?), but every other season he's been from serviceable to decent to good. The bad thing about Elvis is he's overpaid, so I would go so far as to agree he had zero value. In other words, that don't dent the dump that Campbell is in my most generous book.

Also, you've deferred the first. A 25 1st is not worth as much as a 25 1st, especially when the 25 1st has every reasonable chance of being much lower in the round than the 24 1st might be.

2 - You know very well it's 2 3/4 seasons x 1.75, not 2x1.5. So that's almost 5M in retention, eating up a slot across three seasons. The Blues are not one of these teams who have bottomed out and are sitting on loads of cap space. They're up against now. They'll be up against next season's and so forth. Add it all up, and I'll be generous, we can just say 5M and change of retention value. That runs ya a good 2nd rounder typically.

Then you get Hayes, with his size and half point per game and now he even comes with dominance in the faceoff circle, for less than 2M per season. What a fine service that is. What's he worth at under 2M to a team that aims to contend, scrapes the cap ceiling and always rues forward depth issues? Gotta be in the range of a 2nd, yeah?

And then we also take Janmark's remainder of 1M. I like the guy, but the team does not need him. It's another favor.

Okay, well if that's all close enough to correct, this would be an overpay by the Blues. What's more, that cap scrape I noted previously, that's a thing for the Blues. Therefore, I ask for less retention, as one would do in a negotiation. Simple.


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The blues are a team avoiding a youth movement whether they're competitive or not. Guys like Hayes, Parayko and Buch really have no use for them at this point. Would't they rather move on from those guys and build around Thomas,Kyrou and Neighbours instead of trying to compete for a WC2 spot?


Hahahaha what??? Bruh... just the thought of lumping Buch and Parayko in with Hayes is... WOOF. Secondly, you have a deep misunderstanding of all that goes on over there.
Dec. 18, 2023 at 9:45 a.m.
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Oh trust me Campbell is terrible but Elvis has been very iffy and is being paid 5.4 million long term. Over the last three seasons he's averaged a below.900 SV%.

It's a broberg for Boqvist swap to give both fresh starts and then the 1st,2nd and Campbell for Elvis.

What would Elvis be worth on his own?


Elvis had an awful season last year, but he's looked better this year. Playing in front of a **** team doesn't help, either.

The more I look at it, the more I actually don't mind this trade, TBH. The trade value is probably fair, and from the sounds of it, both Campbell and EDM would probably like him to be elsewhere. Elvis could probably look a lot better with EDM in front of him, and Campbell may find some magic playing in a smaller hockey-media market with lower expectations. I also think the Broberg/ Boqvist swap isnt a bad idea; but, we'd need there to be corresponding moves here. Our blue-line is still packed, and we'd need to move Peeke and/or Bean, in all likelihood.

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I'd honestly consider the Columbus deal. I'd like it more if we just left Broberg and Boqvist out of it, Columbus doesn't have a spot for either but at least Boqvist has been NHL-level. Aside from that it's a 1st to move Campbell (assuming it's unprotected) and a 2nd for Elvis. It would signal punting on the season, on which case the focus becomes rehabbing Campbell, or finding out what you have with Tarasov and Greaves. I love Elvis, but those are two really good assets for a goalie that has been above average when he's good, but likely isn't part of the core when the team is actually competitive.


I mean, at this point I would much more appreciate they admit to punting on this season. GMJK can make one more bold/ potentially stupid move before he moves on.
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Dec. 19, 2023 at 4:24 p.m.
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Heh.

1 - So you've used save percentage as the measure. Okay, now factor in the difference in teams they've played for. Quite a gulf there. Elvis was not good last season (who was on that team?), but every other season he's been from serviceable to decent to good. The bad thing about Elvis is he's overpaid, so I would go so far as to agree he had zero value. In other words, that don't dent the dump that Campbell is in my most generous book.

Also, you've deferred the first. A 25 1st is not worth as much as a 25 1st, especially when the 25 1st has every reasonable chance of being much lower in the round than the 24 1st might be.

2 - You know very well it's 2 3/4 seasons x 1.75, not 2x1.5. So that's almost 5M in retention, eating up a slot across three seasons. The Blues are not one of these teams who have bottomed out and are sitting on loads of cap space. They're up against now. They'll be up against next season's and so forth. Add it all up, and I'll be generous, we can just say 5M and change of retention value. That runs ya a good 2nd rounder typically.

Then you get Hayes, with his size and half point per game and now he even comes with dominance in the faceoff circle, for less than 2M per season. What a fine service that is. What's he worth at under 2M to a team that aims to contend, scrapes the cap ceiling and always rues forward depth issues? Gotta be in the range of a 2nd, yeah?

And then we also take Janmark's remainder of 1M. I like the guy, but the team does not need him. It's another favor.

Okay, well if that's all close enough to correct, this would be an overpay by the Blues. What's more, that cap scrape I noted previously, that's a thing for the Blues. Therefore, I ask for less retention, as one would do in a negotiation. Simple.




Hahahaha what??? Bruh... just the thought of lumping Buch and Parayko in with Hayes is... WOOF. Secondly, you have a deep misunderstanding of all that goes on over there.


1) Everything in this argument seems fair, just didn’t feel comfortable giving up our first and second this year all in one trade
2) Deal probably happens at TDL so we can disregard it affecting this years cap meaning it’s only 2 years. Obviously I’m not caught up on the Blues cap situation but if they’re making this move they are probably heading into a roster restructuring of sorts meaning cap won’t be the biggest worry. I’d say it’s worth around a 3rd for that level of retention so we could make it just $1 million across two years, a 3rd seems fair for that. Janmark can be dumped anywhere I really don’t care, package is now Holloway + 25’3rd for Hayes at 2.5 million. Seems fair to me.
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Dec. 19, 2023 at 4:27 p.m.
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1) Everything in this argument seems fair, just didn’t feel comfortable giving up our first and second this year all in one trade
2) Deal probably happens at TDL so we can disregard it affecting this years cap meaning it’s only 2 years. Obviously I’m not caught up on the Blues cap situation but if they’re making this move they are probably heading into a roster restructuring of sorts meaning cap won’t be the biggest worry. I’d say it’s worth around a 3rd for that level of retention so we could make it just $1 million across two years, a 3rd seems fair for that. Janmark can be dumped anywhere I really don’t care, package is now Holloway + 25’3rd for Hayes at 2.5 million. Seems fair to me.


Hayes with 1M retained for Holloway and a 3rd is a huge difference. I'd take that any day it was offered. You could even throw Janmark back in there. No problem.
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