Why do people think monahan is worth that much he isn't

Leafs pass on the Canadians trade they just aren’t gonna spend a first on a forward this year send the first to Seattle and keep lily, Lily doesn’t move unless it’s the offseason

seems fair enough for habs to help rivals.
looks realistic to me.

the past.
top 6 center valuable

center that can take draw, more valuable

2 mil amazing cap
half retained even better

hes quite possibly the best center available.

trade deadline deals are not where you can buy assets at a discount.

brutal overpay for Monahan

except for the fact that hes not a top 6 center

He's easily worth a 1st at the TDL, far worse players have returned as much. I guess we'll see.

easily is a stretch

Monahan certainly can't displace any of the Leafs in the top 6, doesn't replace Domi at centre now......so what's the point of wasting a first ?
Liljegren has been good in the past two years playing 17 minutes a game......what's the love for Larsson.?

Guys who can win draws and play anywhere in the lineup are worth their weight in gold in the playoffs. One injury can completely ruin a teams run. We can also resign him and transition Tavares to the wing. As for Larsson, he has way more experience and size. Another dman that Keefe can trust to play top minutes. Liljegren has yet to do this and the Leafs are trying to win now.

but why do the leafs need to spend a first for a guy to be in their botom 6

Um, Connor Brown got the Sens a 2nd lol

He can play in the top 6 too. Biggest thing for me is that they are at least 3 lines deep, and bigger and more experienced on the blueline, come playoff time. It costs future assets, but we have a legitimate shot at keeping every single guy we trade for here. Whoever doesn't find a role gets left behind. Right now I'd argue that's Bertuzzi. Cowan, Minten, an possibly Niemela can step in next year and eat up minutes on the bottom lines for cheap. We'd be the deepest I've ever seen the Leafs.

Why do people think Monahan is worth so little when he isn't

People have short memories when it comes to the TDL.

I think this would be an extremely favorable market for someone like Monahan. Even conceding his injury history, he is not a player that puts any contending team over the edge. So far this year, he has 5 primary points at 5v5 in 30 games played. He has limited penalty kill usage and has extremely elevated power play numbers that are both not sustainable or enough to be a top-four forward on a contending team to take their position. He has face-off upside but contending team is going to move that much of a premium for someone like him.

Retained salary on rentals doesn't really have a lot of marginal benefit to make a player worth more in the market. It's pretty much a prerequisite since a majority of contending teams are up to the cap ceiling.

That's a valid question, honestly.

On the forward-stacked Leafs, Monahan doesn't play top-6.
But that's because the Leafs are a powerhouse offensively.
And they are a top NHL team. That means they're in a win-now mode.
And that also means that their 1st round pick is 25th or worse.

They are aiming for the Cup.

Tampa Bay has systematically gotten rid of their 1st round picks on their Cup runs, for players that NOBODY would have paid a 1st round pick for: Goodrow, Savard, etc.

So your question is great because I think it's true that Monahan is not WORTH a 1st round pick as a player right now.
But when factoring in these other items: "available rentals" + "low cap hit" + "to a division rival" + production + faceoff beast + can play RW-C-LW - leadership, etc...
It just makes a great addition to a Cup run (like Corey Perry type player) for a team wanting to aim for the Cup NOW.
The opportunities to win a Cup don't come very often.

And as a Habs fan, I am really, really impressed at how dominant Leafs' offense is. Monahan would most likely play at a point-per-game pace with that team too hehe.
Montreal's defensemen are SECOND in the NHL for goals.... but DEAD LAST for forward goals... there's NO OFFENSIVE PUNCH on that team lolll

So for all those reasons, if I'm Leafs GM, especially inside the division, I would offer a 1st and even a 3rd if I want the best center available as a rental besides Lindholm (he will cost at least twice the cap hit and maybe more as far as picks). It's just a matter of being greedy with the offer and NOT getting another key forward... or going ALL-IN for the Cup, for the win-NOW mode.

Cheers buddy !

children should pay attention to this FRAN615

spot on

LOL remember whhen the make beleafs paid a former 1st, 3rd pick and a 2nd for a couple dozen games of plekanec? that was just 5 years ago.

what was all those assets about? he was a 35 year old 4th lline center, wasnt particularly good on draws. he was scoring at a blistering 1 goal per 10 games, was not a vocal vet.... hmmm...

Well, it was a 2nd round pick, not a 1st, but yes, every single TDL, the teams who are actually and truly in the hunt for the Cup, will pay 1st round picks to get the "best AVAILABLE player".
Key word: AVAILABLE.

TDL trades versus OFF-SEASON trades do not look the same.
But that's lost on most...

Also, most everyone on here WANT to get something but never want to GIVE something. They forget that there are 2 sides. Th NHL does not have absolute rip-offs in trades - normally.
Both GMs try to be SATISFIED with the return.

On here, it's dopamine hits, like NHL-porn, where people post trades that will be tilted in their favor, trashing other fanbases constantly, etc.
Not a single fanbase is better or worse than another. And as soon as you notice someone accusing a whole fanbse of doing something better-or-worse than another, then we're shifting into blind-spots-juvenile-psychology.

former 1st round pick (kirby rychel)
former 3rd round pick (rinat valiev)

2nd round pick.

"The Canadiens dealt Plekanec and prospect Kyle Baun to the Leafs on Sunday for defenceman Rinat Valiev, forward Kerby Rychel and a 2018 second-round draft pick.


The 35-year-old Plekanec, who can become an unrestricted free agent this summer, is to join the Leafs in time for games Monday night in Tampa Bay and Tuesday night in Florida."

How hes not that good and on the leafs he has no value you guys think hes a top 6 forwards maybe second line but very unlikely the habs value him at that because they aren't that good