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Two for the price of one

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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 20, 2023
Published: Dec. 20, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$800,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Dubé, Dillon
  2. Tanev, Christopher ($2,250,000 retained)
CGY
  1. Robertson, Nicholas
  2. Timmins, Conor
  3. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
2.
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$80,022,283$0$0$3,477,717
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 2
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 2
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$2,300,000$2,300,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
$800,000$800,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Calgary Flames
-$1,125,000-$1,125,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,550,000$3,550,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$775,000$775,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Minnesota Wild
$850,000$850,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,150,000$4,150,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Dec. 20, 2023 at 5:02 p.m.
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You still haven't told me why you like Dube so much. Why do you like him so much?

You keep sending Robertson for Dube and I don't get it. Please explain.
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Dec. 20, 2023 at 5:40 p.m.
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Why is Dube better than Robertson? Tanev isn't worth a first round premium over Timmins.
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Dec. 20, 2023 at 6:05 p.m.
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Quoting: TMLBRIAN
You still haven't told me why you like Dube so much. Why do you like him so much?

You keep sending Robertson for Dube and I don't get it. Please explain.


Quoting: palhal
Why is Dube better than Robertson? Tanev isn't worth a first round premium over Timmins.

No worries, Flames Decline

Dube >> Robertson
Tanev >> Timmins + 1st
Dec. 20, 2023 at 6:07 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
No worries, Flames Decline

Dube >> Robertson
Tanev >> Timmins + 1st


Conroy would be straight up trolling your fan base, if he turned down that trade.
Dec. 20, 2023 at 6:13 p.m.
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Quoting: TMLBRIAN
Conroy would be straight up trolling your fan base, if he turned down that trade.

It’s a Crappy Trade for the Flames

Flames’ll likely move on from Dube, because they’re stacked with Left Shot Forwards, so Robertson would be of absolutely no need or value to us either.

Timmins can’t & won’t stay healthy and a TOR-1st could easily result in and be worth nothing, which we won’t know for years either….

Unless we’re getting a Decent Prospect, like Knies, Cowan or Liljegren, there’s really no point to the Trade for CGY and we might as well just keep and extend Tanev…
Dec. 20, 2023 at 6:21 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
It’s a Crappy Trade for the Flames

Flames’ll likely move on from Dube, because they’re stacked with Left Shot Forwards, so Robertson would be of absolutely no need or value to us either.

Timmins can’t & won’t stay healthy and a TOR-1st could easily result in and be worth nothing, which we won’t know for years either….

Unless we’re getting a Decent Prospect, like Knies, Cowan or Liljegren, there’s really no point to the Trade for CGY and we might as well just keep and extend Tanev…


I fail to see what would be point of extending the 24th place Flames, 4th best Dman.
Flames should be in full sell mode, this group isn't even playoff capable.
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Dec. 20, 2023 at 7:35 p.m.
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You don’t know much about Tanev or what he brings and has to offer then

He’s just as valuable off the ice as he is on it and would be needed to groom, shelter and support whoever replaces Hanifin once he gets Traded…

Keeping Tanev for the remainder of his career is far more valuable and useful than the Crappy Pick(s), Prospect(s) & Player(s) TOR Fans keep pitching on here….
Dec. 20, 2023 at 8:09 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
No worries, Flames Decline

Dube >> Robertson
Tanev >> Timmins + 1st


So far this season, Robertson > Dube. More production, three years younger, probably still has more to offer at the NHL level. However, Dube has already had success in the bigs so I guess it depends on what you value. I think the Flames should value potential over past production right now.

Quoting: KingofRnR
It’s a Crappy Trade for the Flames

Flames’ll likely move on from Dube, because they’re stacked with Left Shot Forwards, so Robertson would be of absolutely no need or value to us either.

Timmins can’t & won’t stay healthy and a TOR-1st could easily result in and be worth nothing, which we won’t know for years either….

Unless we’re getting a Decent Prospect, like Knies, Cowan or Liljegren, there’s really no point to the Trade for CGY and we might as well just keep and extend Tanev…


If the Flames are moving on from Dube (which I agree they should), why not bring in a guy that could maybe be better? Yes they are stacked with left shot forwards and should be targeting young defencemen, but you can never have enough talent.

A first round pick is still a first round pick. It could be a dud, it could be a franchise player. You can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket.

You're not getting any of Toronto's top prospects for Tanev. Maybe Niemela though.

Quoting: KingofRnR
You don’t know much about Tanev or what he brings and has to offer then

He’s just as valuable off the ice as he is on it and would be needed to groom, shelter and support whoever replaces Hanifin once he gets Traded…

Keeping Tanev for the remainder of his career is far more valuable and useful than the Crappy Pick(s), Prospect(s) & Player(s) TOR Fans keep pitching on here….


While I agree that Tanev brings a lot of intangibles to the team, I am firmly in the retool camp and believe the Flames should be getting any value they can from their older players. Toronto has plenty of interesting prospects and are certainly willing to trade high picks, there's no chance two or three more seasons with Tanev gets Calgary closer to a cup than getting futures.
Dec. 20, 2023 at 8:59 p.m.
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Craig Conroy is the worst GM in the NHL. He will get a 4th rounder for Tanev.
Dec. 20, 2023 at 9:28 p.m.
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So far this season, Robertson > Dube. More production, three years younger, probably still has more to offer at the NHL level. However, Dube has already had success in the bigs so I guess it depends on what you value. I think the Flames should value potential over past production right now.



If the Flames are moving on from Dube (which I agree they should), why not bring in a guy that could maybe be better? Yes they are stacked with left shot forwards and should be targeting young defencemen, but you can never have enough talent.

A first round pick is still a first round pick. It could be a dud, it could be a franchise player. You can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket.

You're not getting any of Toronto's top prospects for Tanev. Maybe Niemela though.



While I agree that Tanev brings a lot of intangibles to the team, I am firmly in the retool camp and believe the Flames should be getting any value they can from their older players. Toronto has plenty of interesting prospects and are certainly willing to trade high picks, there's no chance two or three more seasons with Tanev gets Calgary closer to a cup than getting futures.

We don’t want Nick Robertson period, we already have a Small LW in Pelletier, who’s better, to fit on to the roster when he returns from his shoulder injury

Sure, Dube is struggling, but it’s on a Flames Team that is struggling overall, especially offensively at Even Strength and on the Power Play…. Dube has a better skill set, brings more size & grit than Robertson and kills penalties, so he’s superior and more useful than Robertson for sure, yet we’re gonna move on from him because of his cap hit and the fact others are emerging as good replacement players, specifically Zary & Pospisil, but also have Greer, Duehr & Coronato and not to mention Ben Jones, Adam Klapka and Honzek who will all be looking to make the lineup next season too…

If we get a Quality Player or NHL Ready C/RD Prospect for Tanev, fine, but if he’s willing to stay and extend, I’d do that before taking a late pick, unreliable/injury prone RD and overrated soon to be non-waivers exempt prospect like TOR Fans continue to throw at us

Picks after 20th overall are substantially less valuable than picks 1-20, so I don’t agree that a 1st is a 1st is a 1st

TOR has absolutely nothing of value they’re willing to part with. It’s all scraps and left over garbage they don’t want anymore in exchange for actual Quality NHL Players….
 
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