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Its time to move on Ducks fans

Created by: NucksnOilers
Team: 2023-24 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 7, 2024
Published: Jan. 7, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
NJD
  1. Gibson, John
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This trade feels 2-4 years too late
ANA
  1. Casey, Seamus [Reserve List]
  2. Miller, Colin
  3. Vanecek, Vitek
  4. 2025 2nd round pick (NJD)
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2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$80,636,667$422,500$2,232,500$2,863,333
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,125,000$2,125,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
C
UFA - 7
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
RW, LW
UFA - 8
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$8,800,000$8,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
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$7,250,000$7,250,000
C
UFA - 4
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
RW, C
RFA - 1
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$3,150,000$3,150,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 3
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
C
RFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$925,000$925K)
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$6,400,000$6,400,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$4,400,000$4,400,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$850,833$850,833 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
G
RFA - 1
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
LD
RFA - 2
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
LD/RD, LW
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$775,000$775,000
C
UFA - 1
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
RW
UFA - 2

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Jan. 7 at 5:45 p.m.
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And the pick is a round too late.
Jan. 7 at 5:48 p.m.
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Devils aren't moving Casey for Gibson unless he's retained down to 4 mill
Jan. 7 at 5:52 p.m.
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On gibson:

Vanacek 1 for 1 at 6.4
Vanacek+2nd at 5.5 mill
Vanacek+1st at 4.5 mill
Vanacek+1st+B prospect at 4 mill
Vanacek+1st+2nd+B Prospect at 3.2 mill
Jan. 7 at 6:02 p.m.
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
And the pick is a round too late.


You’re not getting a 1st for Gibson. Goalies historically don’t return high value in trades and Gibson hasn’t done anything to buck that trend. A 2nd ans a good prospect like Casey is already more than enough value for an overpaid goalie
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Jan. 7 at 6:03 p.m.
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On gibson:

Vanacek 1 for 1 at 6.4
Vanacek+2nd at 5.5 mill
Vanacek+1st at 4.5 mill
Vanacek+1st+B prospect at 4 mill
Vanacek+1st+2nd+B Prospect at 3.2 mill


You honestly think 1 for 1 that Vanecek and Gibson are equal value? Come on man. You can’t be THAT bias.
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Jan. 7 at 6:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Ryminister_92
You honestly think 1 for 1 that Vanecek and Gibson are equal value? Come on man. You can’t be THAT bias.


I value Vanacek at 2 million dollars (what I think he’d get if he was an FA today)
I value Gibson at 5.5 million dollars (what I think he’d get if he hit UFA today)

2-3.4=-1.4 x2=-3.8 mill in surplus value
5.5-6.4=-0.9x4=-3.6 mill in surplus value

Gibson has the 3rd highest contract in the NHL for goalies right now and will make probably the 7th most over the life of it. If I could make a list of goalies I would take for the next 4 years, Gibson wouldn’t be in my top 20

It probably helps Anaheim, considering 33 and 34 year old Gibson will almost certainly not be worth 6.4 mill when Anaheim is trying to compete again. Meanwhile vanaceks contract will be off the books by then
Jan. 7 at 6:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Ryminister_92
You honestly think 1 for 1 that Vanecek and Gibson are equal value? Come on man. You can’t be THAT bias.


He is. Look at the difference between each stage. He believes 1M of retention = a 2nd round pick. Or that 0.5M of retention is a B level prospect.
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Jan. 7 at 6:08 p.m.
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Quoting: dgibb10
I value Vanacek at 2 million dollars (what I think he’d get if he was an FA today)
I value Gibson at 5.5 million dollars (what I think he’d get if he hit UFA today)

2-3.4=-1.4 x2=-3.8 mill in surplus value
5.5-6.4=-0.9x4=-3.6 mill in surplus value

Gibson has the 3rd highest contract in the NHL for goalies right now and will make probably the 7th most over the life of it. If I could make a list of goalies I would take for the next 4 years, Gibson wouldn’t be in my top 20


Go watch both of them play. There’s a reason Gibson is paid more. Vanecek is nothing more than an overpaid AHL goalie.
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Jan. 7 at 6:09 p.m.
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Go watch both of them play. There’s a reason Gibson is paid more. Vanecek is nothing more than an overpaid AHL goalie.


Gibson was paid more for play from 5+ seasons ago
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Jan. 7 at 6:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Ryminister_92
Go watch both of them play. There’s a reason Gibson is paid more. Vanecek is nothing more than an overpaid AHL goalie.


Did I say Vanacek should be paid more than Gibson?

I said Vanacek would likely get a 2 million dollar deal based on his age, previous play, and current play.

I said Gibson would likely get a 5.5 million dollar deal based on his age, previous play, and current play.

Do you disagree with either of those statements?
Jan. 7 at 6:11 p.m.
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Quoting: ecupirate07
Gibson was paid more for play from 5+ seasons ago


People have weird conceptions about goalies, especially older goalies. Somehow there seems to be this narrative that “goalies age well” when goalies rarely perform well into their 30s.
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Jan. 7 at 6:12 p.m.
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Did I say Vanacek should be paid more than Gibson?

I said Vanacek would likely get a 2 million dollar deal based on his age, previous play, and current play.

I said Gibson would likely get a 5.5 million dollar deal based on his age, previous play, and current play.

Do you disagree with either of those statements?


So if you’re saying one goalie is worth $2M but the other is worth $5.5M… how in your right mind can you say that straight up 1 for 1 that’s fair value? That’s awful man. Come on.
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Jan. 7 at 6:15 p.m.
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Gibson is badly overrated because of play 5 and 6 years ago
Jan. 7 at 6:16 p.m.
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Quoting: Ryminister_92
So if you’re saying one goalie is worth $2M but the other is worth $5.5M… how in your right mind can you say that straight up 1 for 1 that’s fair value? That’s awful man. Come on.


Because 1 goalie gets paid 3.4 million for 2 years and the other goalie gets paid 6.4 million for 4 years.

The NHL is a salary cap league. This isn’t 1970 anymore
Jan. 7 at 7:09 p.m.
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Quoting: dgibb10
Because 1 goalie gets paid 3.4 million for 2 years and the other goalie gets paid 6.4 million for 4 years.

The NHL is a salary cap league. This isn’t 1970 anymore


And you think that Gibson's contract dates from 1970?

His current contract was signed in 2018 and the first season covered was 2019-2020. Everyone was familiar with the cap system by then, and Gibson has done nothing to disappoint either Anaheim management or Ducks fans.
Jan. 7 at 7:37 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
And you think that Gibson's contract dates from 1970?

His current contract was signed in 2018 and the first season covered was 2019-2020. Everyone was familiar with the cap system by then, and Gibson has done nothing to disappoint either Anaheim management or Ducks fans.


If you ignore how bad he’s been for 5 years then sure he’s done nothing to disappoint
Jan. 7 at 9:05 p.m.
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If you ignore how bad he’s been for 5 years then sure he’s done nothing to disappoint

You don't even begin to understand the interplay of team and goaltending, do you?

This glaring deficiency colors all evaluations of your other opinions.
Jan. 7 at 9:09 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
You don't even begin to understand the interplay of team and goaltending, do you?

This glaring deficiency colors all evaluations of your other opinions.


God I can’t wait for the ducks to hold onto Gibson and then be ****ing and whining about his contract in 2 years
Jan. 7 at 9:16 p.m.
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God I can’t wait for the ducks to hold onto Gibson and then be ****ing and whining about his contract in 2 years

No Ducks fan has EVER whined or cried about Gibson's contract.

Without a goaltender whose talents come CLOSE to what might laughingly be called in polite company NHL caliber (let alone Gibson's), you guys will fall just as short of your hoped-for season-end target as we will of ours.
Jan. 7 at 9:34 p.m.
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No Ducks fan has EVER whined or cried about Gibson's contract.

Without a goaltender whose talents come CLOSE to what might laughingly be called in polite company NHL caliber (let alone Gibson's), you guys will fall just as short of your hoped-for season-end target as we will of ours.


You should have been while he took 6.4 mill a year from you for below average goaltending, and you’ll be complaining in a few years when he’s doing the same but older and worse
Jan. 7 at 9:36 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
No Ducks fan has EVER whined or cried about Gibson's contract.

Without a goaltender whose talents come CLOSE to what might laughingly be called in polite company NHL caliber (let alone Gibson's), you guys will fall just as short of your hoped-for season-end target as we will of ours.


Ducks fans hate to admit it but if they could get out of the Gibson contract they’d offer him less than he’s currently making
Jan. 7 at 10:09 p.m.
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Quoting: dgibb10
You should have been while he took 6.4 mill a year from you for below average goaltending, and you’ll be complaining in a few years when he’s doing the same but older and worse

I've watched 100% of the games John Gibson has ever played for the Ducks. If you had seen even 10% of them, you'd realize how ignorant your take on him is.
Jan. 7 at 10:11 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I've watched 100% of the games John Gibson has ever played for the Ducks. If you had seen even 10% of them, you'd realize how ignorant your take on him is.


It’s natural to get behind the guys locked up long term on a team with a lot of turnover. It’s much easier as a fan to blame the short term pieces and defend the pieces you’re stuck with.
 
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