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The Top 10 Busts from the 2019 Draft

Jan. 11 at 6:49 p.m.
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1. Do you research, Pelletier was in the league LAST YEAR, and was PENCILED IN THE LINEUP, before getting injured during training camp, and can’t get in the lineup, not because of play, but because or this thing called waivers, making any player without a 2 way contract unable to be sent down without the potential of being claimed. Right now the only 2 way contract the Flames have playing a forward position is Connor Zary, who is one of the best rookies in the league, making it pretty difficult to bring Pelletier up.

2. How is AHL production irrelevant, it’s points in one of the best leagues in the world. I read what you said, it was just so stupid that I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt and ignore it.

3. As many people have argued they’re only 22, and assuming that the average player plays until they’re 30, that’s still 8 years to make the league. It’s been 4 years since they were drafted, not a lot of time, especially since they were a late 1st round pick that wasn’t drafted to be someone who enters the league right away, and he was meant to be in the league THIS YEAR, so in reality it’s only been 3 years of development + the half season he played last year.

If it seems I’m grasping at straws it’s because it’s hard to argue with someone that doesn’t know what they’re talking about


1. I do research.

For instance, I found in my research that Pelletier spent more time playing in the AHL than he did in the NHL last year.

It included a stint in the NHL, but a brief stint nevertheless.

Also, your 4th line scrubs like Walker Duehr barely get any ice time anyway this season.

If they get claimed off waivers because room was made for you to desperately showcase Pelletier and prove he's not a bust, then who cares.



2. Whether a NHL draft pick becomes a bust is determined by what he does in the NHL, not in the AHL.

It's not that hard to understand why.




3. There have been several players from the 2019 Draft class who were taken in later rounds and who have been far more successful in the NHL than Pelletier.

The higher the draft pick, the higher the expectation there is for that player to succeed.




4. What's going to happen is that next year, Pelletier will come off his ELC, sign for close to league minimum and be placed on waivers.

He'll be surpassed in the depth chart by teammates who will out-compete him for roster spots from the beginning of training camp.

Because he's an undersized winger with a lengthy injury history who is barely able to make a difference at the NHL level.




5. And normally when someone grasps at straws, it's because they are arguing with someone that does know what they are about.
Jan. 11 at 6:53 p.m.
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A bit premature on some of these.


Do you think Tarasenko will be traded for a first again ?
Jan. 11 at 7:15 p.m.
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1. I do research.

For instance, I found in my research that Pelletier spent more time playing in the AHL than he did in the NHL last year.

It included a stint in the NHL, but a brief stint nevertheless.

Also, your 4th line scrubs like Walker Duehr barely get any ice time anyway this season.

If they get claimed off waivers because room was made for you to desperately showcase Pelletier and prove he's not a bust, then who cares.



2. Whether a NHL draft pick becomes a bust is determined by what he does in the NHL, not in the AHL.

It's not that hard to understand why.




3. There have been several players from the 2019 Draft class who were taken in later rounds and who have been far more successful in the NHL than Pelletier.

The higher the draft pick, the higher the expectation there is for that player to succeed.




4. What's going to happen is that next year, Pelletier will come off his ELC, sign for close to league minimum and be placed on waivers.

He'll be surpassed in the depth chart by teammates who will out-compete him for roster spots from the beginning of training camp.

Because he's an undersized winger with a lengthy injury history who is barely able to make a difference at the NHL level.




5. And normally when someone grasps at straws, it's because they are arguing with someone that does know what they are about.


I’m not even listening anymore, your take is ass and if you brought it to anybody else they’d argue the same things as me. If he was past 24 I’d get it, but he’s only 22 and will get the opportunity as soon as Lindy’s traded. You’re one of maybe 5 people on the planet who think he’s a bust, making your take horrendous. Could honestly be the worst take I’ve ever heard on this site.
Jan. 11 at 7:52 p.m.
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I’m not even listening anymore, your take is ass and if you brought it to anybody else they’d argue the same things as me. If he was past 24 I’d get it, but he’s only 22 and will get the opportunity as soon as Lindy’s traded. You’re one of maybe 5 people on the planet who think he’s a bust, making your take horrendous. Could honestly be the worst take I’ve ever heard on this site.


Bye Bye
Jan. 11 at 8:55 p.m.
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Bye Bye


We’ll argue again eventually… just not over this because neither of us seem to be making any progress😂
Jan. 11 at 11:51 p.m.
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Do you think Tarasenko will be traded for a first again ?


Heh. You tell me. Seems like it could happen with retention.
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Jan. 12 at 9:14 a.m.
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1. Wait until you find out that goalies should rarely, if ever, be taken in the Top half of the 1st round of the draft.



2. And there are plenty of examples of players with mental illness having success at the NHL level.

Connor Ingram is one example.

He has OCD too.

https://www.nhl.com/news/topic/nhl-insider/connor-ingram-finds-footing-as-coyotes-goalie-after-confronting-mental-health-issues




3. A big difference, however, is that Spencer Knight is a former 1st round pick in the AHL with a buried cap hit until 2026.

The Panthers didn't have to take a goalie that high.

But they did.

And here we are.


Just two responses in and I'm already bored arguing a single point. Gotta be a record.
Jan. 12 at 9:48 a.m.
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Just two responses in and I'm already bored arguing a single point. Gotta be a record.


Not going to lie, his arguments for Knight and Pelletier are complete ass lol. By his logic Sogaard is a bust too. High second round pick playing in the AHL. Arguing that since a player, who hasn't played since training camp, who is on a two way contract, to go play some games in the AHL is a bust cause he isn't in the NHL this year is probably the worst take ever. The kid likely plays most of the season in the AHL just because of that injury. The argument of a long injury history is silly too.
This whole thread screamed "I'm drunk and I'm upset my team sucks so I'm going to go argue with people on the internet about stupid siht".
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Jan. 12 at 9:56 a.m.
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Not going to lie, his arguments for Knight and Pelletier are complete ass lol. By his logic Sogaard is a bust too. High second round pick playing in the AHL. Arguing that since a player, who hasn't played since training camp, who is on a two way contract, to go play some games in the AHL is a bust cause he isn't in the NHL this year is probably the worst take ever. The kid likely plays most of the season in the AHL just because of that injury. The argument of a long injury history is silly too.
This whole thread screamed "I'm drunk and I'm upset my team sucks so I'm going to go argue with people on the internet about stupid siht".


I was gonna say something about that (him being mad at the Senators) but figured it was a bit unprovoked.
Jan. 12 at 1:09 p.m.
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Just two responses in and I'm already bored arguing a single point. Gotta be a record.


Just two responses in and you came back for another one the next day.

Gotta be because of anger instead of boredom.
Jan. 12 at 1:16 p.m.
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Not going to lie, his arguments for Knight and Pelletier are complete ass lol. By his logic Sogaard is a bust too. High second round pick playing in the AHL. Arguing that since a player, who hasn't played since training camp, who is on a two way contract, to go play some games in the AHL is a bust cause he isn't in the NHL this year is probably the worst take ever. The kid likely plays most of the season in the AHL just because of that injury. The argument of a long injury history is silly too.
This whole thread screamed "I'm drunk and I'm upset my team sucks so I'm going to go argue with people on the internet about stupid siht".


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I was gonna say something about that (him being mad at the Senators) but figured it was a bit unprovoked.


This petty nonsense by the two of you screams the following two things:

"I'm mad that Mathieu Joseph and Parker Kelly took Dylan Larkin's head off and neither of them got punished for it".

"So, I'm going to trash this Capfriendly post by a Sens fan that was made a month later, even though it has absolutely nothing to do with the Wings".
Jan. 12 at 1:19 p.m.
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This petty nonsense by the two of you screams the following two things:

"I'm mad that Mathieu Joseph and Parker Kelly took Dylan Larkin's head off and neither of them got punished for it".

"So, I'm going to trash this Capfriendly post by a Sens fan that was made a month later, even though it has absolutely nothing to do with the Wings".


lol
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Jan. 12 at 1:28 p.m.
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lol


How's Larkin ?

Is he ok ?

Probably a little dizzy, no ?
Jan. 12 at 1:36 p.m.
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How's Larkin ?

Is he ok ?

Probably a little dizzy, no ?


Oh he is just fine, so are the Wings who are quite a bit ahead of the Sens. Can you be any more bitter? This entire post screams bitterness. Maybe time to take a break?
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Jan. 12 at 1:41 p.m.
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Oh he is just fine, so are the Wings who are quite a bit ahead of the Sens. Can you be any more bitter? This entire post screams bitterness. Maybe time to take a break?


Wings are more likely than not to miss the playoffs, so they're not fine.

In any case, if you want to take a break, go right ahead.

I'm not going to stop you.
Jan. 12 at 1:57 p.m.
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Just two responses in and you came back for another one the next day.

Gotta be because of anger instead of boredom.


Nah, boredom. Don't flatter yourself. My classes don't start until next week.
Jan. 12 at 1:57 p.m.
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How's Larkin ?

Is he ok ?

Probably a little dizzy, no ?


Classiest Sens fan.
Jan. 12 at 1:59 p.m.
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Not going to lie, his arguments for Knight and Pelletier are complete ass lol. By his logic Sogaard is a bust too. High second round pick playing in the AHL. Arguing that since a player, who hasn't played since training camp, who is on a two way contract, to go play some games in the AHL is a bust cause he isn't in the NHL this year is probably the worst take ever. The kid likely plays most of the season in the AHL just because of that injury. The argument of a long injury history is silly too.
This whole thread screamed "I'm drunk and I'm upset my team sucks so I'm going to go argue with people on the internet about stupid siht".


Seems like your analysis was spot on. Pity.
Jan. 12 at 1:59 p.m.
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Nah, boredom. Don't flatter yourself. My classes don't start until next week.


What are you studying ?
Jan. 12 at 2:01 p.m.
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What are you studying ?


Electrical Engineering. Final semester.
Jan. 12 at 2:01 p.m.
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What are you studying ?


Electrical Engineering. Final semester.
Jan. 12 at 2:01 p.m.
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Classiest Sens fan.


Most fans from a rival fanbase wouldn't have asked about him.

I asked out of genuine concern and empathy.
Jan. 12 at 2:02 p.m.
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Electrical Engineering. Final semester.


God speed.
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Jan. 15 at 1:46 p.m.
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He's an AHL goalie with a buried cap hit of 3.35 million until 2026.

If he's not a bust, he's a cap dump.


(we'll take him in jersey)
Jan. 15 at 1:56 p.m.
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Injuries...give 'em another year
Alex Turcotte
Jakob Pelletier

Heading towards Bust, but dmen can be slow...
Philip Broberg
Victor Söderström
Lassi Thomson
Ville Heinola
Tobias Björnfot

Not a bust
Spencer Knight

Bust
Vasily Podkolzin
Samuel Poulin

If using loose criteria, one could make the case for Kakko and Dach too.
They are still useful middle-sixers...not sure I would call them a bust.

I guess I am saying I wish we had a standard definition of what a "bust" is.
I have heard others use "top-6 by year 6", meaning a 1st rounder should be playing in top-6 (or top-4 for dmen) by the D+6 season.
I think that makes sense.
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