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TDL sellers then revisit Zegras at the Draft

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Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 15, 2024
Published: Jan. 15, 2024
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Draft Day 5 names are off the board MTL is set to Pick
Eiserman is still on the Board and ANA picks up the phone, its MTL calling.

ANA Accepts Zegras for Eiserman pick , 39th OA pick in 2024 , and Jordan Harris
ANA recoops a High End Talent from the top 10 of a good draft who also has high end skills
They also get a pick in the top 10 picks of the 2nd round and Harris who they can Play or Flip or Both
Most value Guaranteed they'll get from any team currently offering up a package.
Less uncertainty here more of a "we already won" vibe people got off the Suzuki deal soon as they saw his name(not to say a lot of us didnt Love Patches and were mad about a LAK trade for Vlardi but Suzuki deal there was little division on)


Size and Skill in Every line without losing Speed or being afraid of using smaller players.
Defense is young but the same ideal's apply there with Savard and Kovy to guide them as Veterans.
Xhekaj-Mailloux are so dynamic in Laval i dont expect it to take long for this team to thrive.

Hutson's not a Lock to join after this year he was expressing desire to stay with this group and build on it.
But then he said right after that individually there's not much left for him to accomplish outside the NCAA title.
But he does seem to love that group which is a good call as its stacked with quality top to bottom.
Even their healthy scratches are successful ,and why their teams #2 in the whole NCAA but i digress.
IF Hutsons ready this year we move out savard or kovacevic in the summer
Trades
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MTL
  1. Campbell, Jack
  2. Holloway, Dylan
  3. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
Cap works out to about the same
1m difference but Janmark,Foegele,ext are off the books and Ylonen is there with a league minimum deal adding a decent piece
EDM
  1. Matheson, Michael
  2. Ylönen, Jesse
Additional Details:
MTL gets Holloway who Caufield had his single best season ever playing beside in his 2 years in NCAA

MTL uses Campbell to back up Dobes who has a mid level ECHL Goalie and a Euro League reject on a PTO after he got suspended for throwing a water bottle at the Ref and trying to have a go at him. For this and next Season Campbell isnt a bad fit , then we can buy him out

MTL gets a 1st this year likely a later pick but it helps prepare them for moving their top 10 pick in this years draft for Zegras.
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MTL
  1. Bäck, Oskar
  2. Faksa, Radek
  3. 2024 1st round pick (DAL)
Additional Details:
Pezz replaces Faksa's role on 4th in terms of Production and Physicality, Same offense with way less minutes and games the 6'1 215lbs Sparkplug does it at almost 1/4th Faksa cost and he's younger with DAL have more leverage in contract talks.

Monahan short term fills the Center workload of Faksa and then some while contributing over double the offense while playing more mintues. If memory Serves Monahan has like 10 goals 21 playoff points in 30 games so there's no question he's an upgrade for a playoff run.
DAL
  1. Monahan, Sean
  2. Pezzetta, Michael
  3. 2024 4th round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
Why ?
The 1st has Value but we can also flip Faksa next year or keep him worst case scenario to replace Dvorak who's likely to finish out next year on and off the IR list anyways

Back is a Good AHL fit for Laval and while i doubt he'll play in MTL , if he does it will be in 2-3 years time. He's not bad there's just so many better then him like Lias Andersson former top 10 pick who's constantly passed over despite being much more effective at the AHL level. Some players are just unlikely to make the jump due to the Physicality of the game making them ghosts. Doesnt mean he wont help Laval with its Depth issues as currently 2/3rds of our 4th line last year are our two top 6 Centers this year. Since Stephens got called up we lack a true Center who can handle bulk Faceoffs.
3.
MTL
  1. 2024 4th round pick (SJS)
Additional Details:
To any team for the cost of RS 50% in a 4th round pick

Another team can flip him at 50% off for more then they gave up and its off the table and out of the way for MTL so Monty can get more starts before the TDL
ARI
  1. Allen, Jake ($1,925,000 retained)
Additional Details:
This one isnt done at the TDL but today instead.
Again this is to any team so the can do what MTL did with Scandella and get a return on their cost in 4-6 weeks time
4.
MTL
ARI
  1. Pearson, Tanner
Additional Details:
Pearson waived before the TDL
If not Claimed brought back up to assume Pezz role
5.
MTL
  1. Krebs, Peyton
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
BUF gets the better of the DAL/EDM picks in 2024 draft as well as Owen Beck(or Kidney) in exchange for Krebs
BUF
  1. Beck, Owen
  2. 2024 1st round pick (DAL)
6.
ANA
  1. Harris, Jordan
  2. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
MTL's 6th OA pick
MTL's 39th OA pick (VIA BUF)
Jordan Harris
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Jan. 15 at 1:35 p.m.
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Straight out the Gate i know @littlejerryseinfeld will be coming after me for the Krebs Trade.
Krebs isnt increasing his ice time in any system including MTL's
We are offering up another 1st in a position similar to his draft spot if not as good if both EDM and DAL get pushed out in the 1st in unforseen situations (but unlikely)
You also get Owen Beck who's Bottom end is what Krebs seems to be at now with the added bonus he's a younger Pest who an Ambidextrous Faceoff Center with high praise for his Prowess there.

Because he's a Pest and a Team guy i could see him playing about his 3rd line projections as he has it in him to score a hat trick on any given night like Eller
But also like Eller he's inconsistent in terms of his high end skill set and is more a middle 6 option you can build on

I feel this balances out Decently for BUF who in a year from now when the Small Forward options diminish more then his icetime
I can be Convinced to add another middling piece but TBH i feel like this is better then COL or MIN got for Jost from you guys or MIN
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Jan. 15 at 1:36 p.m.
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Zegras FOR EISERMAN AND HARRIS AND a 2nd!!

buddy please... the michigan is cool and all, but don't do that.
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Jan. 15 at 1:39 p.m.
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Quoting: MTLaveragefan
Zegras FOR EISERMAN AND HARRIS AND a 2nd!!

buddy please... the michigan is cool and all, but don't do that.


I'll walk it back and find the balance but until then we gotta find what makes ANA fans bite.
Otherwise its just a back and forth insult fest on this site lol
Jan. 15 at 1:42 p.m.
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If Beck is so good idk why MTL does that deal. Sabres don't need more centers though so that trade makes no sense. Idk how anyone looks at Buffalo's system and thinks they need to add center prospects
Jan. 15 at 1:44 p.m.
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Zegras is already is approaching bust territory. You dont give them a retry on a top 5-8 pick with bonuses for the pleasure. 2024 1st is off the table, period!

Quoting: Billy316
I'll walk it back and find the balance but until then we gotta find what makes ANA fans bite.
Otherwise its just a back and forth insult fest on this site lol


Its always the same insult fest no matter the deal. Nobody listens but puts forth meaningless platitudes and laughing remarks despite nobody laughing at anything but their own remarks.

The most engagement you get is when you post a troll ACGM that lets the regulars go mask off on obvious bait.
There's maybe 5-6 ppl I can actually hold a conversation here that doesnt delve into lunacy and tribalism
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I am all for trading Krebs, but dont know who Beck is, and what he brings. It`s like flip those two guys for 10-15 position in draft best case, 5 positions worst case. I dont know
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Jan. 15 at 1:51 p.m.
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If Beck is so good idk why MTL does that deal. Sabres don't need more centers though so that trade makes no sense. Idk how anyone looks at Buffalo's system and thinks they need to add center prospects


I thought i dont know BUF system but taking out a Center i figured you'd want him replaced was all
So what type of deal gets a BUF fan to be ok with Krebs leaving ?
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Jan. 15 at 1:54 p.m.
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I thought i dont know BUF system but taking out a Center i figured you'd want him replaced was all
So what type of deal gets a BUF fan to be ok with Krebs leaving ?


Buffalo's only need is RD. NHL top 4 RD, NHL ready top 4 RD prospects, or elite RD prospects
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Quoting: Andy_Dick
Zegras is already is approaching bust territory. You dont give them a retry on a top 5-8 pick with bonuses for the pleasure. 2024 1st is off the table, period!



Its always the same insult fest no matter the deal. Nobody listens but puts forth meaningless platitudes and laughing remarks despite nobody laughing at anything but their own remarks.

The most engagement you get is when you post a troll ACGM that lets the regulars go mask off on obvious bait.
There's maybe 5-6 ppl I can actually hold a conversation here that doesnt delve into lunacy and tribalism


You aint wrong but there is a few fans out there who will engage and turn it into a productive post.
Little Jerry's one , as critical as he can be when pushed he'll choose to be Productive over over ultra critical
OldNYI Fan is another
MoSeider to a lesser extent as its about 50/50 with him as he does like to Troll sometimes.

Just trying to find a path towards good value for all
Jan. 15 at 2:02 p.m.
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Not this trade exactly because it’s an overpay for Zegras, but the idea of it does feel like a very in-character Kent Hughes sort of trade.
Jan. 15 at 2:15 p.m.
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Buffalo's only need is RD. NHL top 4 RD, NHL ready top 4 RD prospects, or elite RD prospects


Wont lie , we're no help outside maybe Kovacevic
We're pretty weak there ourselves.
Reinbachers the only piece in play with value and i dont see us moving him.

Best we could really do is RS on Savard for 2 years and give you Kony our KHL RD who's basically Harris but a Right shot.
Outside that im not thinking there's any plausible fit and we'll just trade you a late pick for Jost
Jan. 15 at 2:17 p.m.
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Not this trade exactly because it’s an overpay for Zegras, but the idea of it does feel like a very in-character Kent Hughes sort of trade.


Yeah i can understand that, i knew it was gonna be an overpay
But so many Zegras posts are 2 pages of people rejecting any deal
You gotta put out a Carrot sometimes to get peoples attention
2 Quality picks this year with Harris as the overkill seemed like a good fit given no matter what D combo i used he was odd man out
Jan. 15 at 2:26 p.m.
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I am all for trading Krebs, but dont know who Beck is, and what he brings. It`s like flip those two guys for 10-15 position in draft best case, 5 positions worst case. I dont know


Beck is unique as he's got Conflicting styles.
One side of the coin he's a stalwart Defensive Faceoff Center very much like Y.Perrault or A.Vermette who were Ambidextrous Centers
The other side of the coin is he's also a Penalty Drawing Spark Plug who never shuts up and has a mouth on him similar to Gally or Marchand. All game long he's in your ear.
Offensively he's a guy who will be Streaky but consistent in terms of being a 200ft player as he's not always getting the credit but he's a Catalyst who can swing the momentum all by himself.
Defensively he keeps his stick in the right shooting lanes, doesnt miss assignment but if i had to nit pick . . .if he was slightly faster his whole game would improve offensively as his Transition games would be subject to his speed rather then his Size or ability to Time plays out so he doesnt get slowed down through the NZ

Overall Middle 6 guy i'd call a Shaw/Eller hybrid for lack of less offensive comparable (i know some are already getting angry over the Marchand parallel even in the Context of being a mouth piece)
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I'll walk it back and find the balance but until then we gotta find what makes ANA fans bite.
Otherwise its just a back and forth insult fest on this site lol


Fair enough, I've done that in the past. IMO I don't see it happening unless the top 5 forwards in this draft are gone. Basically if Celebrini, Eiserman, Helenius, Catton, Lindstrom are out... I would try to get Zegras instead of another Dman.
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Quoting: Billy316
Straight out the Gate i know @littlejerryseinfeld will be coming after me for the Krebs Trade...


Quoting: Czu8iks
I am all for trading Krebs, but dont know who Beck is, and what he brings. It`s like flip those two guys for 10-15 position in draft best case, 5 positions worst case. I dont know


Before checking this had all the earmarks of another Allen for a fourth trade.
This one is interesting.
Beck is certainly not NHL certainty but he appears to have decent chance of being a mid 6 NHL forward.
While trading Krebs may appear to be giving up on the season, Jost would do nearly (26 pts 9 goals in 88 games) as well as Krebs (33 pts 12 goals in 116 games the last two seasons) for the balance of the season.
Make the deal and hope Buffalo moves up in the standing AND either the Stars or Oilers are bounced in the first round.

EDIT
If those do not happen, Buffalo still has Beck, Jost and a second selection on the first day of draft that could moved for a RHD.
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Fair enough, I've done that in the past. IMO I don't see it happening unless the top 5 forwards in this draft are gone. Basically if Celebrini, Eiserman, Helenius, Catton, Lindstrom are out... I would try to get Zegras instead of another Dman.


so the idea's ok you just wouldnt do it if Eiserman is on the table.
Ok i get that,but Eiserman isnt even looking like a lock for top 10 as it stands.
Nothing he's doing wrong , its just so many are overachieving especially with 6'7 Demidov making an impression early and my fav Adam Jiricek making his mark early.
Eiserman is Benson or Caufield 2.0 but slightly bigger.

We could always revist a deal for a top 12-15 pick and get him
But personally i dont think i'd take him with that pick even if he was there as i like Jiricek a lot and RD are more valuable when at 17 there's in their 2nd year Pro in the Czech league. I like him a lot for many reason but most of all he allows us to get the most out of Barron until he needs Paid then we'll flip him as Jiricek is ready to turn Pro.

But i tried to avoid that rabit hole lol
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Quoting: Billy316
I'll walk it back and find the balance but until then we gotta find what makes ANA fans bite.
Otherwise its just a back and forth insult fest on this site lol


We've stated before, if we move Zegras, a blue chip piece at a position of need comes the other way as the basis of the trade. That piece is Reinbacher.

The reason we traded Drysdale for Gauthier is that we desperately needed more scoring forwards, and we were up to our eyebrows in puck moving defensemen, Mintyukovs emergence on the PP made Drysdale less critical to the teams future. Zegras was second in scoring, and points his first full season, and he was first in scoring and points last season. Yeah, his defensive numbers weren't good the last two seasons, no one's in Anaheim were, but Zegras has gotten the message from Cronin that he needs to elevate his game, and there's been a noticable improvement from him defensively.

So for a team that needs scoring, why do we trade away our leading scorer, who is only 22 years old himself, just for another pull of the slot machine, hoping that we can draft and develop a player that replaced what Zegras already brings to the team? And how does adding middle or bottom 6 pieces help with that, when we already have plenty of equally good options internally? We'd need something more tangible, something more known, and something that specifically fills a need in Anaheim.

And to the guy claiming that Zegras is rapidly approaching bust territory, how's Slafkovsky working out so far?
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Straight out the Gate i know littlejerryseinfeld will be coming after me for the Krebs Trade.
Krebs isnt increasing his ice time in any system including MTL's
We are offering up another 1st in a position similar to his draft spot if not as good if both EDM and DAL get pushed out in the 1st in unforseen situations (but unlikely)
You also get Owen Beck who's Bottom end is what Krebs seems to be at now with the added bonus he's a younger Pest who an Ambidextrous Faceoff Center with high praise for his Prowess there.

Because he's a Pest and a Team guy i could see him playing about his 3rd line projections as he has it in him to score a hat trick on any given night like Eller
But also like Eller he's inconsistent in terms of his high end skill set and is more a middle 6 option you can build on

I feel this balances out Decently for BUF who in a year from now when the Small Forward options diminish more then his icetime
I can be Convinced to add another middling piece but TBH i feel like this is better then COL or MIN got for Jost from you guys or MIN


Please stop @ing me
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
We've stated before, if we move Zegras, a blue chip piece at a position of need comes the other way as the basis of the trade. That piece is Reinbacher.

The reason we traded Drysdale for Gauthier is that we desperately needed more scoring forwards, and we were up to our eyebrows in puck moving defensemen, Mintyukovs emergence on the PP made Drysdale less critical to the teams future. Zegras was second in scoring, and points his first full season, and he was first in scoring and points last season. Yeah, his defensive numbers weren't good the last two seasons, no one's in Anaheim were, but Zegras has gotten the message from Cronin that he needs to elevate his game, and there's been a noticable improvement from him defensively.

So for a team that needs scoring, why do we trade away our leading scorer, who is only 22 years old himself, just for another pull of the slot machine, hoping that we can draft and develop a player that replaced what Zegras already brings to the team? And how does adding middle or bottom 6 pieces help with that, when we already have plenty of equally good options internally? We'd need something more tangible, something more known, and something that specifically fills a need in Anaheim.

And to the guy claiming that Zegras is rapidly approaching bust territory, how's Slafkovsky working out so far?


Quoting: GiggywithGibby
We've stated before, if we move Zegras, a blue chip piece at a position of need comes the other way as the basis of the trade. That piece is Reinbacher.

The reason we traded Drysdale for Gauthier is that we desperately needed more scoring forwards, and we were up to our eyebrows in puck moving defensemen, Mintyukovs emergence on the PP made Drysdale less critical to the teams future. Zegras was second in scoring, and points his first full season, and he was first in scoring and points last season. Yeah, his defensive numbers weren't good the last two seasons, no one's in Anaheim were, but Zegras has gotten the message from Cronin that he needs to elevate his game, and there's been a noticable improvement from him defensively.

So for a team that needs scoring, why do we trade away our leading scorer, who is only 22 years old himself, just for another pull of the slot machine, hoping that we can draft and develop a player that replaced what Zegras already brings to the team? And how does adding middle or bottom 6 pieces help with that, when we already have plenty of equally good options internally? We'd need something more tangible, something more known, and something that specifically fills a need in Anaheim.

And to the guy claiming that Zegras is rapidly approaching bust territory, how's Slafkovsky working out so far?


That wasnt me saying "Bust territory"
That was @Andy_Dick

Also Slafkovsky's a beast,im happy with him on top line playing 18-20 minutes a night now
He started out rough at 18 in the NHL but now he's constantly improving especially defensively
The last 21 games he's only dipped below 17 minutes once showing the Coach trusts him (even Monahan cant say that)
Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Monahan and Anderson are MTL's top Forwards minute wise

But i can definately say Reinbacher is a movable piece.
While he is Important Kony is thriving in the KHL as Captain of his Team and one of the top KHL Defensmen
Xhekaj-Mailloux is one of the AHL pairings to the point after struggling to start the year Mailloux is an AHL All Star in only his First year Pro.
TBH we got enough defensmen to move on from Reinbacher as much as i like him
Jan. 19 at 4:36 p.m.
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That wasnt me saying "Bust territory"
That was Andy_Dick

Also Slafkovsky's a beast,im happy with him on top line playing 18-20 minutes a night now
He started out rough at 18 in the NHL but now he's constantly improving especially defensively
The last 21 games he's only dipped below 17 minutes once showing the Coach trusts him (even Monahan cant say that)
Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Monahan and Anderson are MTL's top Forwards minute wise

But i can definately say Reinbacher is a movable piece.
While he is Important Kony is thriving in the KHL as Captain of his Team and one of the top KHL Defensmen
Xhekaj-Mailloux is one of the AHL pairings to the point after struggling to start the year Mailloux is an AHL All Star in only his First year Pro.
TBH we got enough defensmen to move on from Reinbacher as much as i like him


Dont get me involved with that lunatic, Billy. He copy/pastes the same diatribe over and over before anything is ever said. Ok?
 
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