They can hope, but for my money, this is the easiest bet to make out there. Allen gets traded for value. And the Devils have to pay to unload Vitek’s contract.

I don’t see a team out there who’s going to see 4 million dollar Jake Allen as a +ve value contract tbh

Both of them are cap dumps imo

Concerta and ritalin do little for me unless snorted. Vyvanse when I'm in a certain mood. I had problems with adderall when abroad. Became a tad too dependent.

Tramadol rn. Banned in Canada last year. 2021 and still effective. Sometimes, i feel like I should Matthew Perry my way into open houses and raid the cabinets of the elderly lmao

We have these receptors in our brains. May as well use them as many as you please. And the recovery of the brain and body is quite outstanding if you can micro dose through your issues.

I agree that Allen’s stats look that way. But then you have to factor in that we’ve been playing with 4-5 rookie defenseman every single night for two straight years…

Because perception matters. Allen as a Cup winner and a guy that literally destroyed the Wild season on his own is far more impressive than flaking out game 1 in a playoff series. Vanecek has proven little. Pedigree matters. Calling Vanecek the same is truly biased.

If Allen sucks in front of rookie dman that means he’ll no on the devils. Currently 4 rookie dmen in the lineip

“Allen as a cup winner”

Yeah he was real helpful in that run with that 1 game, 3 saves and 1 goal against.

That Minnesota series was SEVEN YEARS ago.

It legitimately means nothing.

Yeah perception matters.

Vanacek has played at a quality starter level as recently as last year.

Allen hasn’t in more than half a decade

I don't have the data to support this observation, but Allen is starter quality after the first 5-10 minutes of a game.
For whatever reason he tends to allow a quick first goal before settling in. Perhaps a side effect of not getting enough starts.

If you have at all watched Allen this season, I sincerely can't understand how you see him as a legit upgrade for a team trying to go deep in the playoffs. He can't even steal starts from a young/developing goalie who is wholly outplaying him. If you legitimately think Allen is good for a team trying to make the playoffs, that is exactly what the Habs plan is next season, so it seems like you are good keeping him.

Won a cup in which through every series where he played one sole game*

If you guys are so high on him, keep him. I honestly would be upset if Blake took him off waivers. I watch enough Habs games, you guys are trying to sell fools gold.

Currently. Vs. For two straight years.

Apples. Oranges.

1A 1B, Bennington got crazy hot. They’re comparable overall. Blues didn’t have the cap space to keep both. Chose Binnington. For obvious reasons.

I don’t deny Allen was a good goalie back in those blues days (half a decade ago)

I’m denying the claim that people around the league view him as a “cup winner”.

That cup was won on the back of Jordan Binnington. Allen played 1 game, made 3 saves and let in a goal.

I don’t think that blues Stanley cup that he sat on the bench for means anything to his trade value today

I don’t deny Allen was a good goalie back in those blues days (half a decade ago)

I’m denying the claim that people around the league view him as a “cup winner”.

That cup was won on the back of Jordan Binnington. Allen played 1 game, made 3 saves and let in a goal.

I don’t think that blues Stanley cup that he sat on the bench for means anything to his trade value today

I agree. I have no problem at all keeping him if the return isn’t good. But I also want to see Cayden Primeau develop. Honestly, I’d move Montembeault if the price was right. Might be hard politically in this province for linguistic reasons, but purely on the hockey side, there’s the case to move any of the three. Especially if the powers that be think Dobes is gonna end up being quite good.

Last I checked, this site is about spitballing on what could be possible. We could keep him. We could move if if someone offers what Hughes thinks is enough. One of those things is true. The other doesn’t get posted.

Which Habs goalie do you think moves? To where? For how much? Or do you think the Habs keep 3 G for another full season? And why, in detail, for what you propose?

Ahhhh, but that’s hard. Easier to dump on why you think the thoughts of others are wrong. When this entire site is consistently all an exercise in low probability.

46 games in the same regular season that your team built momentum and won a cup. More than Binnington. 250 regular season games with the Blues over the 5 seasons that built to a cup.

Just out of curiosity, do you know how many St Louis Blues had more minutes of ice time in that regular season? At any and all position. I’ll give you a hint. It rhymes with hero.

Cups aren’t won in a vacuum. They are slowly and systematically built over time. But I already know you won’t agree. It’s all good. To each their own.

He tried to argue it in conjunction with other playoff performances and in comparison to vanacek’s playoff performances.

It was clear what he was trying to do and imply.

Also Allen wasn’t particularly good that regular season either. They were out of the playoffs with him. Binner then took over and went 24-6 to carry them to the playoffs and then took them to the finals

Binnington’s play that year was epic. There’s no denying it. It didn’t at all change how valuable Allen was to the team. He’s more a cup winner than at least half the skaters on that roster. But they all are regardless.

Allen had a -10 GSAx per moneypuck and a -9 GSAx per evolving hockey. He was actively hurting that team.

So many dont give answers to your arguments but attack the posters instead of the argument with platitudes.
Simply see any of the Monahan madness where some here claim that it's very unlikely that Monahan does get a 1st because of 'reasons' yet its mostly piggy bagging tribalism and lets all point and laugh because we disagree together more than someone with the idea that we don't like..
BUT put through an actual hypothesis with the same stats/metrics/contract situation/position/age like Pageau and Copp compared to Monahan and its deemed the exception because you are trying too hard to justify a position you are defending.

You cant win if posters wont accept 1+1=2 but instead they rather think 1+1 could equal dog.

If you sincerely think Allen has been a good goaltender for the Habs I respect your argument, I just disagree with that opinion. Which like you said, is sort of the point of this site. Right now, LA would have to waive one of Cam Talbot or David Rittich if they traded for a goaltender, both have played too well to justify that move.

That’s a good point. And it’s why i was confused at first reading Friedman’s report.

My guess is:
1) the kings wanted to secure a goalie for next year and asked both what their salary asks would be.
2) the didn’t like what they heard from one or both.
3) they asked the league to see what the price would be to acquire goalies with term left on their deals.
And then the Friedman report came out.
Following this, they probably:
4) checked to see what cap strapped teams would give them for their goalies, on extremely affordable deals.

Under no situation would the Kings need to waiver either.

With Arvidsson returning in February, the Kings will be cap strapped even keeping an extra skater up. One of the goalies would have to be moved to make the math work. The only type of player that could move the needle to that level is Hart or Ulmark in my opinion.

Jake Allen sucks. The Kings are looking to improve their Goaltending, not make it worse.