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3 Team Trade

Created by: Celtics21
Team: 2023-24 Boston Bruins
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 19, 2024
Published: Jan. 19, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
BOS
  1. Schmid, Akira
  2. 2024 1st round pick (NJD)
Additional Details:
Boston gets a first rounder to flip in this three team trade. Schmid played bad this year, but they get to see if they can redeem him. They need the salary slot for the next trade, so they aren’t willing to take Vanacek.
NJD
  1. Grzelcyk, Matt
  2. Ullmark, Linus
Additional Details:
NJ gets a good depth defenseman who is finally starting to play like himself plus a legitimate top 8 goaltender in the league.
2.
BOS
  1. Hertl, Tomas
Additional Details:
Boston gets their number 1 C who’s locked into a long term contract and fits better than Lindholm if I’m being blunt.
SJS
  1. Geekie, Morgan
  2. Lysell, Fabian
  3. 2024 1st round pick (NJD)
Additional Details:
Lysell and a #1 for Hertl. Geekie has been playing well.
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$81,366,667$4,500,000$137,500$2,133,333
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
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$11,250,000$11,250,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 8
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$6,125,000$6,125,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$870,000$870,000 (Performance Bonus$80,000$80K)
C
RFA - 3
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$2,300,000$2,300,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$787,500$787,500
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
C
RFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
LD
NTC, NMC
UFA - 7
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
RD
UFA - 7
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$3,475,000$3,475,000
G
RFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$850,833$850,833 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
G
RFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$775,000$775,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
RD
RFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1

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Jan. 19 at 7:00 p.m.
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In reality, this is probably a deal that could happen in the offseason without the same financial restrictions in place. The harder line position on Vanacek and the inclusion of Geekie are driven by cap considerations.
Jan. 19 at 7:03 p.m.
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Its a good idea...especially with the flip.

But because we are into LTIR and have a bunch of ELC's putting up numbers, it locks in between $2.2m to $3.0m of carryover from performance bonuses to 2024-25.

I think the solution would be retention on Ullmark of a similar amount (likely by third party).
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Jan. 19 at 7:03 p.m.
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charlie coyle is outperforming tomas hertl now that he's been given top six duties. I don't see the point in taking on a massive contract that takes a player to age 37, and paying to do so.
Jan. 19 at 7:04 p.m.
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Its a good idea...especially with the flip.

But because we are into LTIR and have a bunch of ELC's putting up numbers, it locks in between $2.2m to $3.0m of carryover from performance bonuses to 2024-25.

I think the solution would be retention on Ullmark of a similar amount (likely by third party).


There's other ways to clear the cap give me a second to cook
Jan. 19 at 7:04 p.m.
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NJD would have to either fully commit to LTIR or clear cap another way. But fair value for right now
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Jan. 19 at 7:05 p.m.
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There's other ways to clear the cap give me a second to cook


Send Vanacek to SJS as part of deal?
Jan. 19 at 7:12 p.m.
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Send Vanacek to SJS as part of deal?


Vanacek would have to be shipped out fs.

Do you think we could dump Vanacek and buy 50% retention on Ullmark with a 1st?

And then I'd sell toffoli as well
Jan. 19 at 7:13 p.m.
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NJD would have to either fully commit to LTIR or clear cap another way. But fair value for right now


It’s basically committing that Dougie stays on LTIR for the balance of the year. Any salary adjustment on Grz basically means that the deal doesn’t happen this year or the Bruins would have to turn to Lindholm instead of Hertl.

From my perspective, it’s fair value for all sides and each gets something out of it.

Hertl fits the Bruins system and the concept of two physically imposing C’s in the top 2 lines is intriguing to me.

Zacha-Hertl-Pasta
Marchand-Coyle-Debrusk
Van Riemsdyk-Poitras-Frederic

That’s a nice tip 9 with a lot of good two way play
Jan. 19 at 7:14 p.m.
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It’s basically committing that Dougie stays on LTIR for the balance of the year.

From my perspective, it’s fair value for all sides and each gets something out of it.

Hertl fits the Bruins system and the concept of two physically imposing C’s in the top 2 lines is intriguing to me.

Zacha-Hertl-Pasta
Marchand-Coyle-Debrusk
Van Riemsdyk-Poitras-Frederic

That’s a nice tip 9 with a lot of good two way play


The devils issue with LTIR is that it means that 2-3 mill will carry over into next year from our rookie bonuses.
Jan. 19 at 7:26 p.m.
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The devils issue with LTIR is that it means that 2-3 mill will carry over into next year from our rookie bonuses.


So basically you’d need Boston to retain on Grz to make him a $2M player. That gets you to $2.25m in room for overages.

Boston offers Lysell and a #1 to Calgary for Lindholm.

Similar conceptually, but I didn’t want to hear another Calgary fan tell me that Lysell is not good
Jan. 19 at 7:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
charlie coyle is outperforming tomas hertl now that he's been given top six duties. I don't see the point in taking on a massive contract that takes a player to age 37, and paying to do so.



I love coyle and he has done great but come on, look at coyles average linemates and team in general compared to Hertl’s.

Hertl is carrying the whole team essentially, give him Pasta and Zacha don Hertl easily becomes a PPG center again
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Jan. 19 at 7:29 p.m.
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I love coyle and he has done great but come on, look at coyles average linemates and team in general compared to Hertl’s.

Hertl is carrying the whole team essentially, give him Pasta and Zacha don Hertl easily becomes a PPG center again


Does it matter? Coyle has been great on the Marchand/DeBrusk line. hertl would immediately upgrade the Pasta/Zacha line.
Jan. 19 at 7:30 p.m.
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So basically you’d need Boston to retain on Grz to make him a $2M player. That gets you to $2.25m in room for overages.

Boston offers Lysell and a #1 to Calgary for Lindholm.

Similar conceptually, but I didn’t want to hear another Calgary fan tell me that Lysell is not good


Basically if we’re using LTIR space at all the whole overages hit next year.

So we either have to find a way to fit everything (including dougie and Siegs) under 83.5 million

Or we can just decide to use all of our LTIR space and eat the overages next year. I outlined both options in my recent ACGMs
Jan. 19 at 7:30 p.m.
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I love coyle and he has done great but come on, look at coyles average linemates and team in general compared to Hertl’s.

Hertl is carrying the whole team essentially, give him Pasta and Zacha don Hertl easily becomes a PPG center again


Hertl is one of the more overrated players we've seen in recent years. He's not a strong 1C, but he's paid like one, and will be until he's in his late 30s.
Jan. 19 at 7:30 p.m.
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charlie coyle is outperforming tomas hertl now that he's been given top six duties. I don't see the point in taking on a massive contract that takes a player to age 37, and paying to do so.


Hertl's playing with Eklund and Zadina vs Brad and Pasta, pretty obvious Coyle will outproduce with elite players on his wings.
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Jan. 19 at 7:31 p.m.
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Does it matter? Coyle has been great on the Marchand/DeBrusk line. hertl would immediately upgrade the Pasta/Zacha line.


the league has a salary cap, and players age. very shortsighted move.
Jan. 19 at 7:33 p.m.
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Hertl's playing with Eklund and Zadina vs Brad and Pasta, pretty obvious Coyle will outproduce with elite players on his wings.


offensively, an upgrade for sure. overall, marginal. factor in that a team is giving up a 1st, and their top prospect thats outside of the NHL, and taking on 7 years of a contract north of 8 million for a guy that will be 37 at the end of the deal, and i'm much happier with coyle.

that contract could be two years of okay and five years of horrid.
Jan. 19 at 7:36 p.m.
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offensively, an upgrade for sure. overall, marginal. factor in that a team is giving up a 1st, and their top prospect thats outside of the NHL, and taking on 7 years of a contract north of 8 million for a guy that will be 37 at the end of the deal, and i'm much happier with coyle.

that contract could be two years of okay and five years of horrid.


Yea that's certainly fair. I'd assume Hertl could hit 70+ for a few years with Pasta or whoever in the top 6. Would have to hope the cap continues to increase after next year at a good rate to be worth it.
Jan. 19 at 7:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
offensively, an upgrade for sure. overall, marginal. factor in that a team is giving up a 1st, and their top prospect thats outside of the NHL, and taking on 7 years of a contract north of 8 million for a guy that will be 37 at the end of the deal, and i'm much happier with coyle.

that contract could be two years of okay and five years of horrid.


Hertls 2 way play and because he doesn’t rely on speed to produce tends to last longer than speed based players.

Bergy was not fast the last few years of his career yet still was a threat and I’d say Hertl is better offensively then Bergeron, just because of his power forward like style of play
Jan. 19 at 7:38 p.m.
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offensively, an upgrade for sure. overall, marginal. factor in that a team is giving up a 1st, and their top prospect thats outside of the NHL, and taking on 7 years of a contract north of 8 million for a guy that will be 37 at the end of the deal, and i'm much happier with coyle.

that contract could be two years of okay and five years of horrid.


Hertl just turned 30 and will be 36 by the end of the deal. I’d flip the numbers to say 2.5 years of very good, 2 years of good, and 2 years of overpaid.

I’d rather offer Merkulov instead of Lysell, but I worried that San Jose would say no. I’d add a 3rd without batting an eye. Would San Jose do a first, Merkulov, Geekie, and a 3rd for Hertl?

Most of my concerns on players happen once they get closer to 35. It’s one of the reasons I have a concern about Lindholm. His contract likely goes for a longer time after 35
Jan. 19 at 7:49 p.m.
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Hertl just turned 30 and will be 36 by the end of the deal. I’d flip the numbers to say 2.5 years of very good, 2 years of good, and 2 years of overpaid.

I’d rather offer Merkulov instead of Lysell, but I worried that San Jose would say no. I’d add 3rd to him without batting an eye

Most of my concerns on players happen once they get closer to 35. It’s one of the reasons I have a concern about Lindholm. His contract likely goes for a longer time after 35


this ignores the vast majority of aging curves in the national hockey league.
Jan. 19 at 7:55 p.m.
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this ignores the vast majority of aging curves in the national hockey league.


Have you seen an aging curve on 60 point players or greater? Just curious. I’ve seen inconsistent data points with varying player quality, so I just wanted to see what source you are pulling from.

I’ve seen one that aggregates and categorizes so poorly that you see regression in the 20’s and another that sees peaks at 33.
Jan. 19 at 8:00 p.m.
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Hertls 2 way play and because he doesn’t rely on speed to produce tends to last longer than speed based players.

Bergy was not fast the last few years of his career yet still was a threat and I’d say Hertl is better offensively then Bergeron, just because of his power forward like style of play


and this is why he's one of the more overrated players the league has seen in the cap era.
The guy has cracked the fifty point barrier three times in his 10 seasons (bergeron did that 14 times FYI), two of them coming when the team was awful and he could pretty comfortably freelance.
Defensively he's certainly not bad. he's racked up, lets see, zero selke votes over the entirety of his career (i'm not saying he should be a finalist or anything, but logan couture usually gets votes for crying out loud).

at best he's an aging Zacha+ that's twice as much money and costs futures. At worst its an unmitigated disaster. there's no logic to pursuing hertl.
Jan. 19 at 8:01 p.m.
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Have you seen an aging curve on 60 point players or greater? Just curious. I’ve seen inconsistent data points with varying player quality, so I just wanted to see what source you are pulling from.

I’ve seen one that aggregates and categorizes so poorly that you see regression in the 20’s and another that sees peaks at 33.


regression is pretty subjective in hockey. forwards start to decline in their 20's all the time.
Jan. 19 at 8:37 p.m.
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I like this trade in general for all 3 teams.

One problem is that the Sharks may already own NJDs 1st round pick in 2024. As part of the Timo trade the Sharks recieved a conditional 2024 2nd that becomes a 1st if the NJD make the conference finals.
 
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