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the most ridiculous Ullmark trade

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Team: 2023-24 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 20, 2024
Published: Jan. 20, 2024
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Trades
1.
NJD
  1. Grzelcyk, Matt
  2. Ullmark, Linus ($2,500,000 retained)
  3. 2026 2nd round pick (BOS)
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RETENTION FROM CHI NOT BOSTON
BOS
  1. Schmid, Akira
  2. 2024 1st round pick (NJD)
Additional Details:
NJD RETAINS 50% ON LINDHOLM AND HANIFIN FOR BOSTON
2.
NJD
    50% retention on Ullmark
    CHI
    1. Vanecek, Vitek
    2. 2025 1st round pick (NJD)
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    NJD
    1. 2024 1st round pick (VAN)
    2. 2024 3rd round pick (VAN)
    VAN
    1. Toffoli, Tyler ($2,125,000 retained)
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    TOR
    1. 2025 4th round pick (NJD)
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    1. 2024 3rd round pick (VAN)
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    Jan. 20 at 2:14 a.m.
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    Bruins decline. With the amount of teams that desperately need a top goalie, they can definitely get more than that poor package. No rush to do it with the season they're having
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    Jan. 20 at 2:21 a.m.
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    Quoting: LPProductions
    Bruins decline. With the amount of teams that desperately need a top goalie, they can definitely get more than that poor package. No rush to do it with the season they're having


    It was proposed by a bruins fan.

    I added on us retaining 5 million dollars on Lindholm+Hanifin for a 2026 2nd back.

    A quality young replacement on an ELC and a 1st is an excellent package for a goalie btw
    Jan. 20 at 2:31 a.m.
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    TOR would probably accept
    Jan. 20 at 2:42 a.m.
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    I think the value is about right for Toffoli, but the Canucks won't be the team to trade it. If they're paying the 1st, they're going for a centre that can take some of the pressure off of Petey/Miller. If they're getting a winger in the Top-6, Kuzmenko and prospects/later picks have to go back the other way.
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    Jan. 20 at 2:50 a.m.
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    Quoting: westleysnipez
    I think the value is about right for Toffoli, but the Canucks won't be the team to trade it. If they're paying the 1st, they're going for a centre that can take some of the pressure off of Petey/Miller. If they're getting a winger in the Top-6, Kuzmenko and prospects/later picks have to go back the other way.


    I’d be open to taking back Kuzmenko

    Toffoli 50% for 1st+Kuzmenko.

    And then presumably I could flip him or just give him away in the offseason. Could be useful to fill the LTIR space with.
    Jan. 20 at 3:06 a.m.
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    I’d be open to taking back Kuzmenko

    Toffoli 50% for 1st+Kuzmenko.

    And then presumably I could flip him or just give him away in the offseason. Could be useful to fill the LTIR space with.


    If you're taking back Kuzmenko, then it's a straight exchange for unretained Toffoli, or Kuzmenko + 3rd/c-tier prospect if Toffoli is retained 50%, keeping with the retained prices at the 2023 Deadline. Kuzmenko = Toffoli, 3rd = 2.125M cap hit/200k salary

    Like I said though, I think Vancouver goes for a centre over a winger this deadline.
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    Jan. 20 at 3:08 a.m.
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    Quoting: westleysnipez
    If you're taking back Kuzmenko, then it's a straight exchange for unretained Toffoli, or Kuzmenko + 3rd/c-tier prospect if Toffoli is retained 50%, keeping with the retained prices at the 2023 Deadline. Kuzmenko = Toffoli, 3rd = 2.125M cap hit/200k salary

    Like I said though, I think Vancouver goes for a centre over a winger this deadline.


    NJD would 100% have to pass in that case.

    Kuzmenko isn’t really of interest. At best I’d pay a 3rd for him but I’d rather avoid his cap hit this year and next.
    Jan. 20 at 3:13 a.m.
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    NJD would 100% have to pass in that case.

    Kuzmenko isn’t really of interest. At best I’d pay a 3rd for him but I’d rather avoid his cap hit this year and next.


    What do you mean 3rd round pick? Toffoli was just traded for Sharangovich + 3rd last offseason.

    Kuzmenko is paid 750k more than Toffoli and has the same amount of goals and 6 fewer points, 93 vs 99, in their last 120 games respectively. That's even with Kuzmenko's struggle over the last 20 games.
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    Jan. 20 at 3:26 a.m.
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    What do you mean 3rd round pick? Toffoli was just traded for Sharangovich + 3rd last offseason.

    Kuzmenko is paid 750k more than Toffoli and has the same amount of goals and 6 fewer points, 93 vs 99, in their last 120 games respectively. That's even with Kuzmenko's struggle over the last 20 games.


    I mean the most I’d offer for Kuzmenko is a 3rd on his own. Or tbh I’d rather have a 3rd than take on his contract in any trade

    Toffoli has much better analytics and personally I think Kuzmenkos 27% shooting% from last year was a fluke.

    Yegor was highly valued by Calgary (I wouldn’t have traded Yegor for Kuzmenko either) and for good reason
    Jan. 20 at 3:52 a.m.
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    I mean the most I’d offer for Kuzmenko is a 3rd on his own. Or tbh I’d rather have a 3rd than take on his contract in any trade

    Toffoli has much better analytics and personally I think Kuzmenkos 27% shooting% from last year was a fluke.

    Yegor was highly valued by Calgary (I wouldn’t have traded Yegor for Kuzmenko either) and for good reason


    Kuzmenko's value is much higher than a 3rd. Yeah, his Sh% was high last season, but his performance up until 20 games ago was above P/GP pace. Kuzmenko is a 30-goal/70-point winger and Toffoli has also only achieved that once. We all know offense is rated higher than defense in this league and with Kuzmenko's ceiling higher, Kuzmenko has similar value to Toffoli.

    I agree, I think the Devils would decline it, not because the value isn't there, but because I think they'll want to move for picks/prospects they could package to solve their goaltending problems.
    Jan. 20 at 4:07 a.m.
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    Edited Jan. 20 at 4:56 a.m.
    Quoting: dgibb10
    It was proposed by a bruins fan.

    I added on us retaining 5 million dollars on Lindholm+Hanifin for a 2026 2nd back.

    A quality young replacement on an ELC and a 1st is an excellent package for a goalie btw


    Schmid and a first for Ullmark is a deal I’d consider if I could parlay that first into a long term asset. The Grz component being added can make sense, because the two teams with assets I’d want probably would view his inclusion with indifference

    Adding a second for retention seems interesting, but would have to get the players at an appropriate rate from Calgary. Also, the conditions on the San Jose pick get more complicated when trading two concurrent firsts making it less valuable in a trade

    Trying to recall. Can you have Dougie on LTIR and have a $3m gap to not have bonus overages?
    Jan. 20 at 6:54 a.m.
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    The first two maybe.

    Brodie stinks…we should be about to find a better option.

    I like Foegele. Not crazy about Trenin.
    Jan. 20 at 8:35 a.m.
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    I know BOS fans will probably say otherwise, but I'm starting to think Swayman will be the one on the block rather than Ullmark. You don't say something publicly like that like Swayman did, if you aren't looking for a change of scenery.
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    Jan. 20 at 8:39 a.m.
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    TOR would probably accept


    No we do not Brodie might not be back next year but we aren’t selling him for Pennie’s on the dollar lmao leafs decline
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    Jan. 20 at 9:08 a.m.
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    Hawks probably accept
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    Jan. 20 at 12:13 p.m.
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    Quoting: westleysnipez
    Kuzmenko's value is much higher than a 3rd. Yeah, his Sh% was high last season, but his performance up until 20 games ago was above P/GP pace. Kuzmenko is a 30-goal/70-point winger and Toffoli has also only achieved that once. We all know offense is rated higher than defense in this league and with Kuzmenko's ceiling higher, Kuzmenko has similar value to Toffoli.

    I agree, I think the Devils would decline it, not because the value isn't there, but because I think they'll want to move for picks/prospects they could package to solve their goaltending problems.


    Kuzmenko is not a 70 point winger imo.

    This year he’s been a 40 point winger.

    And if I give him a more realistic 15% shooting% last year he’s a 56 point player there.

    Overall kuzmenko’s total NHL paces are 32 goals 64 points, and that’s with a ridiculously high shooting % of 23% over his career. Which I expect to come down.

    At 5.5 million and imo a comparable player to Reilly Smith, I’d give a comparable offfer to what smith got
    Jan. 20 at 12:14 p.m.
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    Schmid and a first for Ullmark is a deal I’d consider if I could parlay that first into a long term asset. The Grz component being added can make sense, because the two teams with assets I’d want probably would view his inclusion with indifference

    Adding a second for retention seems interesting, but would have to get the players at an appropriate rate from Calgary. Also, the conditions on the San Jose pick get more complicated when trading two concurrent firsts making it less valuable in a trade

    Trying to recall. Can you have Dougie on LTIR and have a $3m gap to not have bonus overages?


    No if we have anyone on LTIR we don’t accrue cap space towards paying bonuses. Or at least if including LTIR we’re over 83.5 million.

    We’re either all in or all out on LTIR
    Jan. 20 at 12:20 p.m.
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    Kuzmenko is not a 70 point winger imo.

    This year he’s been a 40 point winger.

    And if I give him a more realistic 15% shooting% last year he’s a 56 point player there.

    Overall kuzmenko’s total NHL paces are 32 goals 64 points, and that’s with a ridiculously high shooting % of 23% over his career. Which I expect to come down.

    At 5.5 million and imo a comparable player to Reilly Smith, I’d give a comparable offfer to what smith got


    He's a 40-point winger in an extremely disappointing season. How many players have a terrible season and still score at a 20g/40pt pace? Not many. Kuzmenko is a top line winger.

    Smith got a 3rd because Vegas couldn't keep his contract, not because he wasn't worth far more.

    The Canucks aren't in that position. Allvin has repeatedly said that the Canucks don't want to trade Kuzmenko and Kuzmenko and his agent have said he wants to stay in VAN. The Canucks can keep Kuzmenko's contract, their plan is to get a 2nd-line center so he can get going again. If they're moving Kuzmenko, its for Toffoli value.
    Jan. 20 at 12:24 p.m.
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    He's a 40-point winger in an extremely disappointing season. How many players have a terrible season and still score at a 20g/40pt pace? Not many. Kuzmenko is a top line winger.

    Smith got a 3rd because Vegas couldn't keep his contract, not because he wasn't worth far more.

    The Canucks aren't in that position. Allvin has repeatedly said that the Canucks don't want to trade Kuzmenko and Kuzmenko and his agent have said he wants to stay in VAN. The Canucks can keep Kuzmenko's contract, their plan is to get a 2nd-line center so he can get going again. If they're moving Kuzmenko, its for Toffoli value.


    Then keep him

    Again I’d rather avoid Kuzmenkos contract entirely.

    His metrics are pretty identical to last year. The difference is he’s not shooting 27% to cover everything up.
    Jan. 20 at 1:18 p.m.
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    Then keep him

    Again I’d rather avoid Kuzmenkos contract entirely.

    His metrics are pretty identical to last year. The difference is he’s not shooting 27% to cover everything up.


    That's what I've been saying from the beginning my guy. You were the who kept offering for him.

    Also, you keep falling back to his Sh% like it somehow makes Kuzmenko a worse player. Why do you keep focusing on his Sh%?

    Kuzmenko was 35th in assists/60 last season among all forwards, his Sh% has nothing to do with that. Kuzmenko had a Top-20 CF% (60%) among all forwards last season, again, his Sh% has nothing to do with that.

    This year, his CF% is 63.7%, even higher than last year and higher than Toffoli's. But no one talks about that because they just look at his 39 goals last season and that he's on pace for half of that. Despite not scoring, he's still playing well. Tocchet's standards are extremely high and Kuzmenko isn't meeting those despite his excellent play. Kuz is buying into the system, he's putting in the work. He'd immediately be one of the best forwards on any other team in the league if he were traded.

    No one mentions his xGF of 18 for the season so far. He's been in high danger scoring areas, he's just not had the puck luck he had last season. That happens. Everyone and their dog was saying that Vancouver is too lucky this season with their PDO, but for guys like Kuzmenko and Garland, they've been plenty unlucky.
    Jan. 20 at 1:25 p.m.
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    That's what I've been saying from the beginning my guy. You were the who kept offering for him.

    Also, you keep falling back to his Sh% like it somehow makes Kuzmenko a worse player. Why do you keep focusing on his Sh%?

    Kuzmenko was 35th in assists/60 last season among all forwards, his Sh% has nothing to do with that. Kuzmenko had a Top-20 CF% (60%) among all forwards last season, again, his Sh% has nothing to do with that.

    This year, his CF% is 63.7%, even higher than last year and higher than Toffoli's. But no one talks about that because they just look at his 39 goals last season and that he's on pace for half of that. Despite not scoring, he's still playing well. Tocchet's standards are extremely high and Kuzmenko isn't meeting those despite his excellent play. Kuz is buying into the system, he's putting in the work. He'd immediately be one of the best forwards on any other team in the league if he were traded.

    No one mentions his xGF of 18 for the season so far. He's been in high danger scoring areas, he's just not had the puck luck he had last season. That happens. Everyone and their dog was saying that Vancouver is too lucky this season with their PDO, but for guys like Kuzmenko and Garland, they've been plenty unlucky.


    Kuzmenkos Corsi is at 52% both this year and last year 5v5 (please don’t use all situations stats for guys who play the power play only, or guys who only kill penalties, it skews numbers)

    Kuzmenko has 9.6 xGoals. He has 8 goals
    He has 4.7 5v5 xGoals, he has 5 5v5 goals

    He hasn’t been unlucky. He’s had normal luck
    Jan. 20 at 1:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: dgibb10
    Kuzmenkos Corsi is at 52% both this year and last year 5v5 (please don’t use all situations stats for guys who play the power play only, or guys who only kill penalties, it skews numbers)

    Kuzmenko has 9.6 xGoals. He has 8 goals
    He has 4.7 5v5 xGoals, he has 5 5v5 goals

    He hasn’t been unlucky. He’s had normal luck


    Even if you want to shift it to 5v5, his CF% is 53.82, not 52. That's still 84th in the league.

    Here Kuzmenko is this season with a higher GF/60 and xGF/60 at 5v5 than Jack Hughes. He should have more goals than Hughes, but because he's been unlucky, he doesn't.

    Stop trying to talk about a player you don't watch, I'm not sure why you're making up stats either. His xGF 5v5 is clearly 18 this season.
    Jan. 20 at 1:46 p.m.
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    Even if you want to shift it to 5v5, his CF% is 53.82, not 52. That's still 84th in the league.

    Here Kuzmenko is this season with a higher GF/60 and xGF/60 at 5v5 than Jack Hughes. He should have more goals than Hughes, but because he's been unlucky, he doesn't.

    Stop trying to talk about a player you don't watch, I'm not sure why you're making up stats either. His xGF 5v5 is clearly 18 this season.



    I used moneypuck for my Corsi numbers

    Those are on ice numbers

    Meaning that with Kuzmenko on the ice the Canucks generate 2.7 xgoals/60 minutes, but instead generate 3.5 goals/60 minutes. In fact this indicates he’s been significantly lucky, not unlucky, with his team generating 30% more goals than expected with him on the ice (with Jack btw the devils generate 2.75 xGoals/60, and 2.75>2.7)

    Did you really think Kuzmenko was scoring 3.5 goals every 60 minutes? On 17 minutes of ice time that would be a goal per game?

    Again since they’re on ice numbers
    Meaning with Kuzmenko on the ice the CANUCKS are have generated 18.57 xgoals 5v5, not kuzmenko

    Please don’t try and use stats if you don’t know what they mean
    Jan. 20 at 1:57 p.m.
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    Quoting: dgibb10
    I used moneypuck for my Corsi numbers

    Those are on ice numbers

    Meaning that with Kuzmenko on the ice the Canucks generate 2.7 xgoals/60 minutes, but instead generate 3.5 goals/60 minutes. In fact this indicates he’s been significantly lucky, not unlucky, with his team generating 30% more goals than expected with him on the ice (with Jack btw the devils generate 2.75 xGoals/60, and 2.75>2.7)

    Again since they’re on ice numbers
    Meaning with Kuzmenko on the ice the CANUCKS are have generated 18.57 xgoals 5v5.

    Please don’t try and use stats if you don’t know what they mean


    Yes, I know how the stats work. That's why I have a direct comparison with the Devils' best player right there so we can measure Kuzmenko vs. Jack Hughes.

    I've completely disproven your argument. You're the one making up stats. I've provided direct links to Kuzmenko's stats that you can view. You're now just falling back to the "he's lucky" because you have nothing else to stand on. You think because the Canucks scoring goes up when Kuzmenko is on the ice, it's because he's lucky; but when the Devils scoring goes up when Jack Hughes is on the ice, it's because he's a good player. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.
    Jan. 20 at 2:03 p.m.
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    I Love J Boqvist
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    Quoting: westleysnipez
    Yes, I know how the stats work. That's why I have a direct comparison with the Devils' best player right there so we can measure Kuzmenko vs. Jack Hughes.

    I've completely disproven your argument. You're the one making up stats. I've provided direct links to Kuzmenko's stats that you can view. You're now just falling back to the "he's lucky" because you have nothing else to stand on. You think because the Canucks scoring goes up when Kuzmenko is on the ice, it's because he's lucky; but when the Devils scoring goes up when Jack Hughes is on the ice, it's because he's a good player. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.


    You had no idea how the stats worked. You claimed that Kuzmenko has 19 xgoals 5v5 because you didn’t understand the numbers (he didn’t).

    Jack is at 2.75 on ice xgoals/60 at 5v5 as the primary line driver.

    Kuzmenko is at 2.72 on ice xgoals/60 as the passenger to Pettersson for a large portion.

    This is legitimately just sad, shows a lack of understanding of hockey and statistics.
     
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