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Toronto trading for a defenseman

Jul. 11, 2017 at 12:53 p.m.
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Avs have Mackinnon, Duchene, Compher, and Jost. They won't trade Duchene in the last year of his deal because they're having so much trouble filling out their backend and no one will pay enough for them to fix it.

Meanwhile Toronto got good too fast, they have no prospects to fill out the lineup, and have an illness that prevents them from trading the one asset they have in draft picks to save the horse that is Matthews.

If Toronto get an NHL D, it'll take about 3 different trades for them to bring it together.


Are you for real? Seriously, how in the hell do you figure the Leafs have no prospects? And you are seriously suggesting we trade Matthews to get a D? There are so many things wrong with your comments...the Leafs have one of the deepest prospect pools in the NHL, especially at the wing position and you suggest we trade Matthews? smh shakes head


The Leafs have no D prospects ready for this season, or any coming until Lilegren in about 2 years.
Zaitsev and Hainsey are guys who should be 3rd pair, but they're Toronto's top 4 RHD.
They not only are lacking prospects, they already have 3rd liners filling in for top minutes before injuries.

It's simple. If I'm wrong, post up the moves to bring in 2-3 D and make the Leafs' blue line decent -- trades that opposing fanbases would accept.

To help, from the Getting a Dman and Bozak to NYR topic
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Faulk is a better offensive D than Rielly, but neither is a better than average defender. Zaitsev, Gardiner, Hainsey... the Leafs need a shutdown, not scoring, D. They can't afford someone who excels at both (aka elite, top 10)
Check out HERO charts for something more than G + A


Leafs fans want to do anything but trade draft picks or their young core. Any sellers aren't interested in the Leafs' rentals and cast-offs, no matter how valuable you think JVR or Bozak are.

So that leaves UFA. Unfortunately the looming cap crunch and Marleau will make this difficult. The best options are:

R Cody Franson BUF $3.325
8/10 Shot suppression, 2nd pair ice time

R Zbynek Michalek ARI $3.2
7/10 Shot suppression, 2nd pair ice time

L Jakub Kindl DET $2.4
6/10 Shot supression, 3rd pair ice time

It's a tight market, I'd expect them to sign deals worth $10-15 million

Note:
R Simon Despres ANA $3.7 (bought out due to concussions)
7/10 Shot suppression
L Brian Campbell CHI $1.5 (I doubt he's available, that was coming back to CHI cup run discount)
8/10 Shot suppression
Jul. 11, 2017 at 1:03 p.m.
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I'd also point out about injuries:
Leafs are above the cap and using LTIR relief (like $10 million worth for Horton and Lupul)

To start the season they have to be below the cap, before LTIR. Then they can recall guys.
Every move they make will require waivers (Matthews, Marner, Nylander are exempt but they're not going on waivers anyways)
Marchenko, Marincin, Carrick, Rychel must clear waivers

If you want to quibble about D prospects, also note that I emphasized RHD.
Dermott (1 AHL season), and the 2 undrafted Swedes (0 AHL seasons) Rosen & Borgman are all LHD
Jul. 11, 2017 at 2:42 p.m.
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Something something reliable sources something something validate the qualifications of who is providing the intel something something

Yeah just actually consider where you're getting your information from. I wouldn't consider anything trustworthy from the literal hockey equivalent of Buzzfeed.
Jul. 12, 2017 at 2:00 p.m.
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Something something reliable sources something something validate the qualifications of who is providing the intel something something

Yeah just actually consider where you're getting your information from. I wouldn't consider anything trustworthy from the literal hockey equivalent of Buzzfeed.


what's wrong with the page i posted a link to? It might not be happening, but it sounds like it. Maybe not though as nothing's happened yet.
Jul. 12, 2017 at 4:51 p.m.
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Something something reliable sources something something validate the qualifications of who is providing the intel something something

Yeah just actually consider where you're getting your information from. I wouldn't consider anything trustworthy from the literal hockey equivalent of Buzzfeed.


what's wrong with the page i posted a link to? It might not be happening, but it sounds like it. Maybe not though as nothing's happened yet.


Both Eklund and hockeybuzz have a reputation for being both inaccurate and total crap.
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Jul. 12, 2017 at 9:14 p.m.
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leafs or most any team doesn't have 7m for vlasic next season. leafs are near the cap so it would have to be a trade with similar money being exchanged,
Jul. 15, 2017 at 7:33 p.m.
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The Leafs need a puck moving, #1 defenseman. Liljegren might be that guy, and he's our only hope right now. It's very, very rare that a true #1 defenseman is available via trade or free agency. Quite frankly, the only way we get a #1 defenseman is if Liljegren develops into that guy. No team is going to do the Leafs any favors and trading us a defenseman. The only other way we get one is if Drew Doughty decides that he wants another Cup, and he signs with the Leafs in the summer of 2019 (which is very unlikely). Erik Karlsson is also a UFA that year, but there is no way Ottawa lets him go. They'll give him more than McDavid got if they have to.

So either Liljegren is going to be our #1 defenseman, or we're going to win Cups the same way that Pittsburgh did this year
Jul. 15, 2017 at 8:22 p.m.
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The Leafs need a puck moving, #1 defenseman. Liljegren might be that guy, and he's our only hope right now. It's very, very rare that a true #1 defenseman is available via trade or free agency. Quite frankly, the only way we get a #1 defenseman is if Liljegren develops into that guy. No team is going to do the Leafs any favors and trading us a defenseman. The only other way we get one is if Drew Doughty decides that he wants another Cup, and he signs with the Leafs in the summer of 2019 (which is very unlikely). Erik Karlsson is also a UFA that year, but there is no way Ottawa lets him go. They'll give him more than McDavid got if they have to.

So either Liljegren is going to be our #1 defenseman, or we're going to win Cups the same way that Pittsburgh did this year


Reilly is a #1 guy.
Jul. 17, 2017 at 6:43 a.m.
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The Leafs need a puck moving, #1 defenseman. Liljegren might be that guy, and he's our only hope right now. It's very, very rare that a true #1 defenseman is available via trade or free agency. Quite frankly, the only way we get a #1 defenseman is if Liljegren develops into that guy. No team is going to do the Leafs any favors and trading us a defenseman. The only other way we get one is if Drew Doughty decides that he wants another Cup, and he signs with the Leafs in the summer of 2019 (which is very unlikely). Erik Karlsson is also a UFA that year, but there is no way Ottawa lets him go. They'll give him more than McDavid got if they have to.

So either Liljegren is going to be our #1 defenseman, or we're going to win Cups the same way that Pittsburgh did this year


Reilly is a #1 guy.


On a team like Toronto with crap D he is #1, anywhere other cup contending teams he is NOT!
Jul. 17, 2017 at 9:32 a.m.
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Edited Jul. 17, 2017 at 9:51 a.m.
Well, Gardiner might be 17th giveaways, one reason he isn't afraid to handle the puck. He's given he responsibility to rush the puck. I'm sure if the other 16 players above have many "premier" players on it, for the same reason.
Only on the site, do folks think the Leafs have terrible Dmen. Collectively it's about average maybe a bit below. Good enough to get into the playoffs last year. With Hainsey and the expect growth of two rookies Zaitsev, and Carrick, should be better this year.

Only on this site, do the the Leafs and only the Leafs, have to give up top players for two year rentals like Doughty and OELarsson. If getting a # 1 Dman was that important to a teams success, why isn't Arizona or Kings making the playoffs? Gee, even Tampa Bay with Hedman missed the playoffs. Washington and all there star Dman, won one playoff round last year.
So this what are the facts about needing a "top" Dman to win the Cup based on? Look at the Penguins last spring. Schultz and bunch of competent Dmen, not a star filled defence at all.

Guys that drafted 17th aren't NHL ready, so Liljegren is at least two years from being in the NHL. If you watched Dermot, even will only half a season with the Marlins (injured the other half) he looks the part and appears to ready for NHL duty. Rosen and Borgman are 25 and 22 and have SHL experience and would likely be much closer to the NHL than Nielsen, Liljegren, Valiev or the other other prospects.

Paul: How is Toronto's D so crap? It is certainly comparable or probably better than Bostons. Boston has all those stars making over 7m Bergeron, Krejci and has a career year from Marchand, have this 7m goalie the 6m Backus and where did it get them?

rangerandislesfan: Folks really get got up in these ranking of # 1 etc. Yea, Reilly, Gardiner and maybe this Zaitsev might all be about the same. Not Karlsson or Doughty number one, but good enough to be a good core of above average NHL team. You think Oilers might have the best shot of any team to win the Western Conference this season, but certainly they don't have what are considered a great # 1 Dman.
 
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