Are goalies excluded from this list? Because if this is just a top 10 players to build a franchise around I think Vasy deserves consideration to be on that list.
Really tough to compare goalies to players, especially considering there isn’t really a complete standout anymore. I love vasy, but this season and last have shown that he’s (at least) not above the shesterkin, Saros, sorokin tier.
Let’s be real matthews would be the best player in the league if his stats were as good as draisaitl in the last 5 years and if draisaitl was on Toronto he would be the best player in the league
Bro. Why’re you so obsessed with Leafs media/fans.
The Leafs are the only fan base in the league that isn’t allowed to like their own players, lol.
Why is it so far-fetched that Matthews is a better player? He’s literally the best goal scorer of our generation, on-pace for 70 this year, and plays considerably better defence than Draisaitl. It’s really not that crazy of a take, same way it wouldn’t be crazy to take Draisaitl over him.
Take Kucherov over Mathews everyday 3RWs in NHL history have Multiple 75 assist seasons Guy LeFluer, Jaromir Jagr, Nikita Kucherov
There are 3 players in NHL history with back to back 30 points playoff seasons Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemeiux, Nikita Kucherov. Top 3 all day. He's also better defensively than people think and has a bit of a nasty streak to his game.
When you're accomplishing thing only done buy Gretzky, Lemeiux,Jagr and LeFluer says everything that needs to be said.
He also makes several million less than those guys give me Kucherov today tomorrow next week month year .
Matthews plays a harder position, is better defensively, and is accomplishing things only done by a handful of players, too. Not sure if comparing players based on their historical achievements is a good way of expressing who’s a better hockey player right now.
Bro. Why’re you so obsessed with Leafs media/fans.
The Leafs are the only fan base in the league that isn’t allowed to like their own players, lol.
Why is it so far-fetched that Matthews is a better player? He’s literally the best goal scorer of our generation, on-pace for 70 this year, and plays considerably better defence than Draisaitl. It’s really not that crazy of a take, same way it wouldn’t be crazy to take Draisaitl over him.
Not obsessed at all what are you talking about? I’m just calling out how the media and fans overrate their own players all the time that doesn’t make me obsessed lmao. And draisaitl is one of the greatest playoff performers the nhl has ever seen so yeah it is kinda a crazy take to take matthews over draisaitl after what he’s done in the past 5 years
Matthews plays a harder position, is better defensively, and is accomplishing things only done by a handful of players, too. Not sure if comparing players based on their historical achievements is a good way of expressing who’s a better hockey player right now.
Harder position what r u talking about they both play C and one gets to play with nylander or marner 5 on 5 the other gets foegle kane or Mcleoud that’s a huge difference
Matthews plays a harder position, is better defensively, and is accomplishing things only done by a handful of players, too. Not sure if comparing players based on their historical achievements is a good way of expressing who’s a better hockey player right now.
How many players have had 55G and 55As in one season since 1995? The answer is only 3 players Lemieux 1995 draisaitl 2021-2022 and McDavid 2022-2023. Draisaitl is doing stuff the league hasn’t seen in over 25 years and nobody seems notice lmao
Matthews plays a harder position, is better defensively, and is accomplishing things only done by a handful of players, too. Not sure if comparing players based on their historical achievements is a good way of expressing who’s a better hockey player right now.
Over the last three seasons he's averaging 121points /82 this year he's on pace for 135/82 and makes $2,140,000 less this year and $3,750,000 less the following 3 I'll take Kucherov any and every day!!
Really tough to compare goalies to players, especially considering there isn’t really a complete standout anymore. I love vasy, but this season and last have shown that he’s (at least) not above the shesterkin, Saros, sorokin tier.
Thats fair. In my mind I always think of it as if there were fantasy draft for every player in the league and contracts were wiped out and renegotiated as picks were made. Who would be the most valuable player to base a team around.
Harder position what r u talking about they both play C and one gets to play with nylander or marner 5 on 5 the other gets foegle kane or Mcleoud that’s a huge difference
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How many players have had 55G and 55As in one season since 1995? The answer is only 3 players Lemieux 1995 draisaitl 2021-2022 and McDavid 2022-2023. Draisaitl is doing stuff the league hasn’t seen in over 25 years and nobody seems notice lmao
I was responding to a guy talking about Kucherov in regards to the positional argument.
Man, when 50% of your points come from a power play with Connor Mcdavid, people are going to question whether those numbers truly reflect how good of a player you are. That doesn’t mean Drai isn’t an incredible offensive player, but with the rate Matthews produces goals (much more valuable than assists) at 5v5, its 100% valid to claim he’s a more valuable player.
I was responding to a guy talking about Kucherov in regards to the positional argument.
Man, when 50% of your points come from a power play with Connor Mcdavid, people are going to question whether those numbers truly reflect how good of a player you are. That doesn’t mean Drai isn’t an incredible offensive player, but with the rate Matthews produces goals (much more valuable than assists) at 5v5, its 100% valid to claim he’s a more valuable player.
Well also you gotta remember draisaitl is big reason why we get powerplays to begin with. Also powerplay goals count the same as 5 on 5 goals and before this season draisaitl had 106 goals on 525 shots matthews had 100 on 675 shots in the last 2 seasons. Imo draisaitl is a way more consistent player
Well also you gotta remember draisaitl is big reason why we get powerplays to begin with. Also powerplay goals count the same as 5 on 5 goals and before this season draisaitl had 106 goals on 525 shots matthews had 100 on 675 shots in the last 2 seasons. Imo draisaitl is a way more consistent player
Consistent? Bruh. You think Matthews ended up potting 60 by being inconsistent? He literally scored 51 goals over a 50 game stretch.
He doesn’t translate any regular season numbers to the playoffs
Completely untrue for the past two years. He literally was a goal per game in the Tampa series last year. Matthews hasn't had the privilege of going up against mediocre goaltending for his playoff runs. As soon as Adin Hill got hot halfway through that Oilers series, what did Draisaitl do?
I was responding to a guy talking about Kucherov in regards to the positional argument.
Man, when 50% of your points come from a power play with Connor Mcdavid, people are going to question whether those numbers truly reflect how good of a player you are. That doesn’t mean Drai isn’t an incredible offensive player, but with the rate Matthews produces goals (much more valuable than assists) at 5v5, its 100% valid to claim he’s a more valuable player.
Kucherov has 3 100+point seasons since 18/19 makes $3,100,000 less than MacKinnon 2.14 million this year and 3.75 less the following 3years than Mathews who has 1 career also Kucherov has more Cups than Mathews first round wins give me Kucherov everyday.
I was responding to a guy talking about Kucherov in regards to the positional argument.
Man, when 50% of your points come from a power play with Connor Mcdavid, people are going to question whether those numbers truly reflect how good of a player you are. That doesn’t mean Drai isn’t an incredible offensive player, but with the rate Matthews produces goals (much more valuable than assists) at 5v5, its 100% valid to claim he’s a more valuable player.
Pretty shallow argument. Matthew's plays with better linemates at 5v5 and also gets to play with all of Nylander, Marner and Tavares on the PP. And that's very important because he can't create offense at an elite level, he's just the shooter. Very talented shooter, but since Draisaitl almost always has a better shooting percentage it's hard to argue Matthews is better at scoring. He just more selfish and takes more shots.
Matthews plays a harder position, is better defensively, and is accomplishing things only done by a handful of players, too. Not sure if comparing players based on their historical achievements is a good way of expressing who’s a better hockey player right now.
Kucherov last 3 seasons 1.55 ppg Mathews same time frame 1.29 that's more than 1/4 ppg better and Kucherov isn't nearly as bad defensively as you're insinuating . Stop with the homer Bulls***