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Another Hanifin Deal

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Team: 2023-24 Boston Bruins
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 28, 2024
Published: Jan. 28, 2024
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Could also free up a spot for Lysell potentially. To me, this seems like a fair deal for both teams with interesting upside going both ways
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  1. Hanifin, Noah ($1,950,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Local kid fills a big need for the Bruins allowing them to play Lindholm and Carlo more regular minutes. Signs an extension obviously
CGY
  1. Beecher, John
  2. Forbort, Derek
  3. Lohrei, Mason
  4. 2026 2nd round pick (BOS)
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Secures a young D with pretty significant offensive upside and a size/speed bottom line center with some interesting upside (albeit more defensive than offensive at this point) plus a second round pick. Boston tries to make up for lack of picks with better NHL ready prospects who were selected in the top 2 rounds.
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Jan. 28 at 2:19 p.m.
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Really depends on how lohrei is viewed in comparison to a late 1st by Calgary. I’ve heard they want more NHL ready guys so maybe. I’d think if Lohrei is viewed as= to a 1st than it would go through.

Personally I don’t view him that highly tho
Jan. 28 at 3:29 p.m.
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Quoting: dgibb10
Really depends on how lohrei is viewed in comparison to a late 1st by Calgary. I’ve heard they want more NHL ready guys so maybe. I’d think if Lohrei is viewed as= to a 1st than it would go through.

Personally I don’t view him that highly tho


I’m not a huge fan of this draft in general and I take Lohrei over most former late first / early second round pick D that could be available. His offensive upside is pretty impressive in general. I take him over Bahl and it’s not particularly close. Beecher is an interesting secondary prospect. Would be open to substitute a lot of players for hm outside of Lysell.

I could also see a rendition of the deal where we trade Ullmark to NJ for a #1/Schmid and build a pick around Forbort, Beecher, the #1, and a #3.
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Jan. 28 at 4:06 p.m.
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Calgary will likely get a better offer elsewhere
Jan. 28 at 4:39 p.m.
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Quoting: dgibb10
Really depends on how lohrei is viewed in comparison to a late 1st by Calgary. I’ve heard they want more NHL ready guys so maybe. I’d think if Lohrei is viewed as= to a 1st than it would go through.

Personally I don’t view him that highly tho


may i ask why?
Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Calgary will likely get a better offer elsewhere


like what? what have we seen in the NHL over the past decade that would indicate they get more than this?
Jan. 28 at 4:42 p.m.
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may i ask why?

like what? what have we seen in the NHL over the past decade that would indicate they get more than this?


It’s a high bar imo for a 23 year old dman to be worth a 1st, especially with the Sandin comp out there. And I don’t think Lohrei meets that Sandin level.

Just hasn’t proven enough. The fact that he’s in the AHL is mildly concerning (not much tho). I’d hope he’d be beating out Gryz and/or Forbort by now.
Jan. 28 at 4:47 p.m.
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It’s a high bar imo for a 23 year old dman to be worth a 1st, especially with the Sandin comp out there. And I don’t think Lohrei meets that Sandin level.

Just hasn’t proven enough. The fact that he’s in the AHL is mildly concerning (not much tho). I’d hope he’d be beating out Gryz and/or Forbort by now.


interesting take. this is a lot different than sandin though, who was playing pro as a teenager. This is Lohrei's first pro season, he turned 23 last week, and he's already done pretty well at the NHL level. That's rare in and of itself, but then factor in his skating for a 6'6" d man, and he's an even more rare commodity. There aren't many NHL rosters that he wouldn't be a mainstay on, the bruins just happen to be one of them. I think most in the NHL would view the likelihood that he winds up being a top four d man for a long time to be much higher than the likelihood of a late first becoming an impact NHLer. I was against the bruins calling him up, given that he hasn't played the blue line for that long, I thought a full season in the AHL was mandatory. He fit in the NHL for sure though.
Jan. 28 at 4:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
may i ask why?

like what? what have we seen in the NHL over the past decade that would indicate they get more than this?


Literally both of the last 2 defensemen you traded for. Lohrei is worth a 2nd, Beecher is a replacement level player, a 2nd is 2026 has way less value than a a 2nd in 2024 or 2025 (let alone a 1st), and Forbort is a cap dump.

This offer is very underwhelming
Jan. 28 at 4:49 p.m.
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It’s a high bar imo for a 23 year old dman to be worth a 1st, especially with the Sandin comp out there. And I don’t think Lohrei meets that Sandin level.

Just hasn’t proven enough. The fact that he’s in the AHL is mildly concerning (not much tho). I’d hope he’d be beating out Gryz and/or Forbort by now.


One comp. Do you have any more with cap controlled players? Usually younger players on the verge of NHL don’t get traded.

Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Literally both of the last 2 defensemen you traded for. Lohrei is worth a 2nd, Beecher is a replacement level player, a 2nd is 2026 has way less value than a a 2nd in 2024 or 2025 (let alone a 1st), and Forbort is a cap dump.

This offer is very underwhelming


Using that logic, do you think you can get a 2nd or a 3rd for Wolf? He hasn’t been able to displace an average goalie in Vladar. He must not be very good if you use the same generalizations you are here.

Lots of teams need goalies and he’s been stuck in the AHL
Jan. 28 at 5:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Celtics21
One comp. Do you have any more with cap controlled players? Usually younger players on the verge of NHL don’t get traded.



Using that logic, do you think you can get a 2nd for Wolf? He hasn’t been able to displace an average goalie in Vladar. He must not be very good.

Lots of teams need goalies and he’s been stuck in the AHL


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interesting take. this is a lot different than sandin though, who was playing pro as a teenager. This is Lohrei's first pro season, he turned 23 last week, and he's already done pretty well at the NHL level. That's rare in and of itself, but then factor in his skating for a 6'6" d man, and he's an even more rare commodity. There aren't many NHL rosters that he wouldn't be a mainstay on, the bruins just happen to be one of them. I think most in the NHL would view the likelihood that he winds up being a top four d man for a long time to be much higher than the likelihood of a late first becoming an impact NHLer. I was against the bruins calling him up, given that he hasn't played the blue line for that long, I thought a full season in the AHL was mandatory. He fit in the NHL for sure though.


Ig Nils Lundqvist trade could be a comp.
Durzi, Siegenthaler, Jake Bean among others

If the flames view Lohrei as a 1st, I wouldn't be shocked (I viewed Yegor as a 2nd and Calgary viewed him as a 1st).

I can't say I'm an expert on Lohrei tho. Just my thoughts based on comps
Jan. 28 at 5:20 p.m.
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Quoting: dgibb10
Ig Nils Lundqvist trade could be a comp.
Durzi, Siegenthaler, Jake Bean among others

If the flames view Lohrei as a 1st, I wouldn't be shocked (I viewed Yegor as a 2nd and Calgary viewed him as a 1st).

I can't say I'm an expert on Lohrei tho. Just my thoughts based on comps


Durzi was a cap dump for a cap strapped team looking to make room for cheaper prospects

Siegenthaler was on a one way contract struggling to maintain a spot.

Bean’s interesting, but also an RFA about ready to sign. Probably a reasonable comparable of Lohrei once he’s only on a one way I guess and not sticking on an NHL roster.

I do struggle with finding a great comp. A player on a two way with ideal physical size and really good offensive skil including a plus puck handle. Hes older than you’d like because he spent time in college, but to be frank … he doesn’t fall to the second round with his skill set if he went down the traditional path.
Jan. 28 at 5:24 p.m.
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Durzi was a cap dump for a cap strapped team looking to make room for cheaper prospects

Siegenthaler was on a one way contract struggling to maintain a spot.

Bean’s interesting, but also an RFA about ready to sign. Probably a reasonable comparable of Lohrei once he’s only on a one way I guess and not sticking on an NHL roster.

I do struggle with finding a great comp


Durzi cost 1.7 mill he was absolutely not a cap dump imo, just not really a role and pushed out by a more expensive newcomer in Gavrikov (just like Lohrei may be pushed out in a Hanifin trade)

Siegs had fantastic underlyings. Just like Lohrei he was on a team with a lot of veteran dmen he was stuck behind.

I'm not saying these guys are more valuable or perfect comps, but they somewhat all fit the mold.

Quality young guys pushed out of a role on a contender for whatever reason (Sandin also fits this mold).

I could see Calgary valuing Lohrei anywhere between a low 1st and a high 3rd. That's the tough part trying to buy using roster players. If the team you're buying doesn't like the specific asset it gets real tough
Jan. 28 at 5:27 p.m.
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Durzi cost 1.7 mill he was absolutely not a cap dump imo, just not really a role and pushed out by a more expensive newcomer in Gavrikov (just like Lohrei may be pushed out in a Hanifin trade)

Siegs had fantastic underlyings. Just like Lohrei he was on a team with a lot of veteran dmen he was stuck behind.

I'm not saying these guys are more valuable or perfect comps, but they somewhat all fit the mold.

Quality young guys pushed out of a role on a contender for whatever reason (Sandin also fits this mold)


How many teams were willing or capable to take Durzi’s salary in the offseason straight up and give value? This offseason was strange. Just like I don’t believe Taylor Hall only warrants Regula and Mitchell under normal circumstances

The interesting part of this is because of Hanifin’s defensive skill set, Boston would likely be incented to play Lohrei as a 3rd line defender and potentially into a #1 PP guy at the same time. His offensive skill set potential is likely higher than Lindholm or McAvoy on the powerplay.
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Jan. 28 at 5:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Literally both of the last 2 defensemen you traded for. Lohrei is worth a 2nd, Beecher is a replacement level player, a 2nd is 2026 has way less value than a a 2nd in 2024 or 2025 (let alone a 1st), and Forbort is a cap dump.

This offer is very underwhelming


okay, so 1. you literally don't know who lohrei literally is. literally. If your analysis is as simple as, "lohrei is worth a second," move along.
2. lindholm is way way way better than hanifin, and there was a cap dump involved.
3. For Orlov the bruins got two players, Orlov and Hathaway, sent a cap dump the other way, and did not give up a prospect. There was also double retention. Just not a good comp.
Jan. 28 at 8:16 p.m.
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okay, so 1. you literally don't know who lohrei literally is. literally. If your analysis is as simple as, "lohrei is worth a second," move along.
2. lindholm is way way way better than hanifin, and there was a cap dump involved.
3. For Orlov the bruins got two players, Orlov and Hathaway, sent a cap dump the other way, and did not give up a prospect. There was also double retention. Just not a good comp.


Lmao biased much?

1. There is literally a trade comparable for Lohrei as recently as last deadline. Rasmus Sandin was traded for the 32nd OA pick last deadline. Sandin was the same age as Lohrei is now and was far more proven at the time so he was worth more than Lohrei is now.


2. Hanifin is on pace for over 40 points this year, he just fell short of 40 last year and was just short of 50 the year before that. He is one of the best skating defensemen in the league and has a strong 2-way game. Hampus Lindholm had a career high of 22 points before being traded to Boston. Since going to the Bruins he surpassed the 50 point mark last year getting 53, riding shotgun to a top 5 defenseman in the league. This year he is not playing nearly as much with McAvoy and is on pace for 31 points. He is strong defensively but mediocre offensively.
So no he is definitely not "way way way better than Hanifin" 🤣
Jan. 28 at 8:46 p.m.
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I know some ppl might view this as an underwhelming return for Hanafin, but I'd be hesitant to pull this trigger if im Sweeney.

Lohrei's looked really good in his limited reps in the NHL, really think he'll grow into a spectacular top 4 Dman

However, getting a long term replacement that better fits the mid to late 20s age group of BOS (and can log heavy minutes), dump Forbort, and keep your 1sts, I'd probably do it

They've clearly seen enough of Beecher and Lohrei is the obvious odd man out if they acquire Hanafin, so those are the guys we could expect to be packaged
Jan. 28 at 8:51 p.m.
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Lmao biased much?

1. There is literally a trade comparable for Lohrei as recently as last deadline. Rasmus Sandin was traded for the 32nd OA pick last deadline. Sandin was the same age as Lohrei is now and was far more proven at the time so he was worth more than Lohrei is now.


2. Hanifin is on pace for over 40 points this year, he just fell short of 40 last year and was just short of 50 the year before that. He is one of the best skating defensemen in the league and has a strong 2-way game. Hampus Lindholm had a career high of 22 points before being traded to Boston. Since going to the Bruins he surpassed the 50 point mark last year getting 53, riding shotgun to a top 5 defenseman in the league. This year he is not playing nearly as much with McAvoy and is on pace for 31 points. He is strong defensively but mediocre offensively.
So no he is definitely not "way way way better than Hanifin" 🤣


is that literally the comparable? was last year sandins literal first pro year? is sandin literally 6'6"? is the 32OA literally a first round pick?

lindholm is a defensive defensemen. even bringing up points is weird. it's not what he's there for.

that said he did get off to a real bad start this year. guessing lingering issues from the broken foot. 12 points in his last 15 though....as long as we're talking about points.
Jan. 28 at 9:10 p.m.
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I know some ppl might view this as an underwhelming return for Hanafin, but I'd be hesitant to pull this trigger if im Sweeney.

Lohrei's looked really good in his limited reps in the NHL, really think he'll grow into a spectacular top 4 Dman

However, getting a long term replacement that better fits the mid to late 20s age group of BOS (and can log heavy minutes), dump Forbort, and keep your 1sts, I'd probably do it

They've clearly seen enough of Beecher and Lohrei is the obvious odd man out if they acquire Hanafin, so those are the guys we could expect to be packaged


Most free agents that get traded don’t sign. The smart move is probably to not trade for him and just sign him
In July. Keep your picks, prospects.

There is a risk, but I am pretty comfortable if he makes it to free agency and Don wants him, there are a lot of reasons to believe he signs here.
Jan. 28 at 9:52 p.m.
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is that literally the comparable? was last year sandins literal first pro year? is sandin literally 6'6"? is the 32OA literally a first round pick?

lindholm is a defensive defensemen. even bringing up points is weird. it's not what he's there for.

that said he did get off to a real bad start this year. guessing lingering issues from the broken foot. 12 points in his last 15 though....as long as we're talking about points.


Dude if you don't even know your own prospects don't be pretentious. Lohrei is 6'4, 209 lbs. Also the fact that it wasn't Sandin's 1st year in the pro's only further proves he is a better prospect. Sandin > Lohrei, Sandin = #32, this Lohrei < #32. Simple math man.

Yes Lindholm is a defensive defenseman, Hanifin is also very good defensively, but also provides offense. You put Hanifin on a pairing next to a top end defensemen like Heiskanen and he will put up elite numbers too
Jan. 28 at 10:01 p.m.
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Most free agents that get traded don’t sign. The smart move is probably to not trade for him and just sign him
In July. Keep your picks, prospects.

There is a risk, but I am pretty comfortable if he makes it to free agency and Don wants him, there are a lot of reasons to believe he signs here.


Ya my comment was completely under your assumption that Hanafin extends, in that case Lohrei could be used in another trade or just keep him
Jan. 28 at 10:44 p.m.
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Ya my comment was completely under your assumption that Hanafin extends, in that case Lohrei could be used in another trade or just keep him


I as actually pointing to your assumption why you’d be apprehensive. My belief in the likelihood Hanifin makes it to free agency and signs with the Bruins is actually pretty high.
Jan. 28 at 10:50 p.m.
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Dude if you don't even know your own prospects don't be pretentious. Lohrei is 6'4, 209 lbs. Also the fact that it wasn't Sandin's 1st year in the pro's only further proves he is a better prospect. Sandin > Lohrei, Sandin = #32, this Lohrei < #32. Simple math man.

Yes Lindholm is a defensive defenseman, Hanifin is also very good defensively, but also provides offense. You put Hanifin on a pairing next to a top end defensemen like Heiskanen and he will put up elite numbers too


Using that logic, how do you rate Dustin Wolf or is that just situational when it doesn’t include your prospects? Apparently he can’t beat out an average goaltender like Dan Vladar.

Or do we use some level of nuance in the discussion. I can do either, but I have my doubts whether you are capable.

Lohrei was a raw prospect who didn’t go through a traditional path, went Ohio State, and developed. If you’ve watched him play (which I doubt you have), his offensive skill set is impressive. I’d rather have Mason Lohrei than Easton Stick (the player Toronto picked with that pick). I certainly like him more than the defenseman at the end of the first round this year
Jan. 29 at 1:47 a.m.
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Using that logic, how do you rate Dustin Wolf or is that just situational when it doesn’t include your prospects? Apparently he can’t beat out an average goaltender like Dan Vladar.

Or do we use some level of nuance in the discussion. I can do either, but I have my doubts whether you are capable.

Lohrei was a raw prospect who didn’t go through a traditional path, went Ohio State, and developed. If you’ve watched him play (which I doubt you have), his offensive skill set is impressive. I’d rather have Mason Lohrei than Easton Stick (the player Toronto picked with that pick). I certainly like him more than the defenseman at the end of the first round this year


I mean they really aren't comparable considering his extensive list of awards vs Lohrei who got 1, but Wolf is still all potential. I don't think anyone would trade us what we would want for him, same way I don't see Askarov getting a 1C or 1C potential prospect in return.

Wolf is ready to play in the NHL but he's still got a few years before he is ready to be a starter.

I am not saying Boston should trade Lohrei, he has decent potential but probably peaks as a 2nd pairing guy if he can figure out his defensive game. But the reality is that is what he will be valued at around the league.

If I'm trading Hanifin and the offers are Lohrei + Beecher + 2026 2nf vs 2024 1st + Lian Bischel. I'm taking the 1st + Bischel in a heartbeat. Bischel is a bigger body defensive d-man. And the 1st in 24 is worth way more than a 2nd in 26 + Beecher. It's really as simple as you aren't going to get Hanifin, the best defenseman on the market, for a lowball offer. If this is the best offer available we will just extend him since it's very unlikely Lohrei will ever be close to as good as Hanifin and the rest of the offer is doesn't make up the gap
Jan. 29 at 3:10 a.m.
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I mean they really aren't comparable considering his extensive list of awards vs Lohrei who got 1, but Wolf is still all potential. I don't think anyone would trade us what we would want for him, same way I don't see Askarov getting a 1C or 1C potential prospect in return.

Wolf is ready to play in the NHL but he's still got a few years before he is ready to be a starter.

I am not saying Boston should trade Lohrei, he has decent potential but probably peaks as a 2nd pairing guy if he can figure out his defensive game. But the reality is that is what he will be valued at around the league.

If I'm trading Hanifin and the offers are Lohrei + Beecher + 2026 2nf vs 2024 1st + Lian Bischel. I'm taking the 1st + Bischel in a heartbeat. Bischel is a bigger body defensive d-man. And the 1st in 24 is worth way more than a 2nd in 26 + Beecher. It's really as simple as you aren't going to get Hanifin, the best defenseman on the market, for a lowball offer. If this is the best offer available we will just extend him since it's very unlikely Lohrei will ever be close to as good as Hanifin and the rest of the offer is doesn't make up the gap


If your baseline is a delusional deal that Dallas will never make, I can see why you’d view this as disappointing.

We’ll see what happens, but I’ll be stunned if Dallas would do that deal. They don’t really have the cap position to sign him long term unless they are including Thomas Harley in the deal or walking away from Pavelski
Jan. 29 at 4:23 a.m.
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Quoting: Celtics21
If your baseline is a delusional deal that Dallas will never make, I can see why you’d view this as disappointing.

We’ll see what happens, but I’ll be stunned if Dallas would do that deal. They don’t really have the cap position to sign him long term unless they are including Thomas Harley in the deal or walking away from Pavelski


Delusional would be asking for Logan Stankoven and a 1st. Delusional is the fans posting Bowen Byram and a 1st for Lindholm. Bischel is not that good of a prospect that Dallas wouldn't instantly trade him if it meant getting Heiskanen a legitimate 1st pair caliber partner for the next 8 years and making them cup favorites.

How can they not afford him? Give Harley 3.5M and Hanifin 7-7.5M and that leaves them with roughly 7-9M to fill out the rest of their roster. Duchene likely isn't coming back and they will promote both Stankoven and Bourque to the NHL in his place. On top of that there is also a very legitimate possibility that Suter gets bought out this summer. With 1 year remaining at age 39 and turning 40 his buy out will have cap hits of 783k in year 1 and 1.433M in year 2. Extremely manageable.

It's also been reported that Arizona is interested in Hanifin. A deal from them I would easily take over yours is 3 2nds + Soderstrom.
Jan. 29 at 10:16 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Dude if you don't even know your own prospects don't be pretentious. Lohrei is 6'4, 209 lbs. Also the fact that it wasn't Sandin's 1st year in the pro's only further proves he is a better prospect. Sandin > Lohrei, Sandin = #32, this Lohrei < #32. Simple math man.

Yes Lindholm is a defensive defenseman, Hanifin is also very good defensively, but also provides offense. You put Hanifin on a pairing next to a top end defensemen like Heiskanen and he will put up elite numbers too


hockeydb and hockey reference lists him at 6'5" 211. not sure where i got 6'6" from. sure looks it.
 
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