Kulak and Desh have been the best bottom pairing in the NHL, no shot we separate them.
We need a Ceci upgrade but Savard isn't that, they're pretty much equals.
We may want Allen but tbh Pickards been great, until he starts playing poorly as our backup I don't see a reason in changing that.

If we're going to move 2 firsts and a prospect we'll be trying to get a substantial upgrade on Ceci.

Well, okay.

Have ya checked out their stats since Knoblauch took over?

Edmonton doesnt have the cap space or assets to make a trade for a massive upgrade on ceci but savard is definitely an upgrade on ceci he is a former cup winner, hes better defensively, has a significantly higher ppg and is having a career year

That always happens when teams get new coaches but they always cool off lets see if edmonton continues this 16 game win streak when they come back from the break

GP TOI CF CA CF% CF% rel FF FA FF% FF% rel oiGF oiSH% oiGA oiSV% PDO oZS% dZS%
3 yrs EDM NHL 203 2520.5 3482 4322 44.6 -12.0 2635 3318 44.3 -12.0 185 9.7 223 90.8 100.5 35.7 64.3
6 yrs OTT NHL 440 8425.4 7690 10286 42.8 -8.8 5735 7664 42.8 -8.3 345 8.3 508 90.9 99.3 39.5 60.5


Per Game
GC G A PTS GC PIM S
6 yrs OTT NHL 0.09 0.07 0.20 0.27 0.09 0.20 1.70
3 yrs EDM NHL 0.08 0.03 0.25 0.28 0.08 0.24 1.17

GP TOI CF CA CF% CF% rel FF FA FF% FF% rel oiGF oiSH% oiGA oiSV% PDO oZS% dZS%
3 yrs EDM NHL 203 2520.5 3482 4322 44.6 -12.0 2635 3318 44.3 -12.0 185 9.7 223 90.8 100.5 35.7 64.3
6 yrs OTT NHL 440 8425.4 7690 10286 42.8 -8.8 5735 7664 42.8 -8.3 345 8.3 508 90.9 99.3 39.5 60.5


Per Game
GC G A PTS GC PIM S
6 yrs OTT NHL 0.09 0.07 0.20 0.27 0.09 0.20 1.70
3 yrs EDM NHL 0.08 0.03 0.25 0.28 0.08 0.24 1.17

That always happens when teams get new coaches but they always cool off lets see if edmonton continues this 16 game win streak when they come back from the break

Edmonton doesnt have the cap space or assets to make a trade for a massive upgrade on ceci but savard is definitely an upgrade on ceci he is a former cup winner, hes better defensively, has a significantly higher ppg and is having a career year

I see what you did you did all strengths. not a great way to look at things for instance in OTT he atcually got some PP Time almost 400 minutes over 6 years compared to 12 minutes over the 3 with edmonton...
in Edmonton he is leaned on heavily on the PK which will skew the possession numbers down.
TRy 5v5 and you will see he is above 50% and well ahead of his time in OTT.

I see what you did you did all strengths. not a great way to look at things for instance in OTT he atcually got some PP Time almost 400 minutes over 6 years compared to 12 minutes over the 3 with edmonton...
in Edmonton he is leaned on heavily on the PK which will skew the possession numbers down.
TRy 5v5 and you will see he is above 50% and well ahead of his time in OTT.

If you think those numbers are "well ahead" you need to raise your standards.

Not a strong counter argument as his above-50% is still well below team average. As such, to outsiders, he'll appear to be a major drag on the team despite the good work you and I see him doing. And, in fairness, he certainly isn't playing particularly well. It's just that he's covering the bet for a player at his cap hit playing the role he is.

I wasnt saying he was our best Dman. He would be the one we would look to upgrade on. being above 50 is yes below the team average but still positive. especially when he is comparing to OTT years ago saying no improvement when there is a significant shift. moving to savard is a lateral move and not worth doing if theres another ekhom out there you do it. if not you can live with him being over 50%

We do in regards to both cap and assets.

You're basing your argument around Ceci's play 5 years ago as well, since Pittsburgh he has been a lot better and matured into his game.
Savard isn't what most fans would hope the Oilers go for, he's ok but about the same as Ceci, no real reason to make a move there.

His relatives are worse in Edmonton, he's the same defender on a better team.

I wasnt saying he was our best Dman. He would be the one we would look to upgrade on. being above 50 is yes below the team average but still positive. especially when he is comparing to OTT years ago saying no improvement when there is a significant shift. moving to savard is a lateral move and not worth doing if theres another ekhom out there you do it. if not you can live with him being over 50%

Do you hold any regard for microstat pages like JFresh?

Your best assets are late firsts and a prospect that have middle six potential and in terms of cap the team you trade with would need to retain 50% just to have a hope of making anything work

His relatives are worse in Edmonton, he's the same defender on a better team.

Players can be moved, like they are in every trade, to create cap.
We also don't have hopes in getting elite talent back, however nice that would be.

But an upgrade on Ceci is possible for a decent cost, Savard isn't the player our fans would hope for though.

Im not finding what your finding..

Everything is a piece to the puzzle.

Okay, well these following links show his player card after his year in PIT and following his first year in EDM. They serve to better explain what we're trying to get across. We have to concede that his performance this year has been worse in comparison to his team, though this is largely the result of the emergence and excellence of Boucholm. His raw numbers have stayed largely similar.

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1420421717256806401
https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1570425503588253704

Okay, well these following links show his player card after his year in PIT and following his first year in EDM. They serve to better explain what we're trying to get across. We have to concede that his performance this year has been worse in comparison to his team, though this is largely the result of the emergence and excellence of Boucholm. His raw numbers have stayed largely similar.

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1420421717256806401
https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1570425503588253704

Savard is not a lateral move he has been known as a good stay at home defenseman and is having a career year despite how bad the habs have been meanwhile ceci is maybe slightly better than he has been in the past but he is playing on a team that has a chance at good playoff run you just admitted that he is barely above 50% is below team average and is the spot you need an upgrade the most