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Monahan is not going to be traded for a first round pick

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Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 2, 2024
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One again, fiction becomes fact.
And if Winnipeg has to play Colorado or Dallas in the first round and loses, that’s ballpark the 19th overall pick (Tampa’s slot last year).
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      Feb. 2 at 8:01 p.m.
      #26
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      Quoting: Wreckless
      At half salary, at the deadline. Costs $400k.


      And 1,6m cap hit half retained . Teams don’t want that. He isn’t even good enough to be 13th forward on most teams
      Feb. 2 at 8:02 p.m.
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      Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
      Struble has been a revelation this year. He got from like 9th on our LD depth chart to 3rd. I think he could easily fetch a high second or a young forward. The team that comes to mind when talking for a D trade is Buffalo. I think Rosen for Struble make sense


      I thought Buffalo was mainly on the lookout for a righty?

      I won’t pretend that I’m particularly knowledgeable on Struble but at least as NJD I’d want a bigger sample size before investing a 2nd into a more unproven guy like Struble.
      Feb. 2 at 8:03 p.m.
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      I thought Buffalo was mainly on the lookout for a righty?

      I won’t pretend that I’m particularly knowledgeable on Struble but at least as NJD I’d want a bigger sample size before investing a 2nd into a more unproven guy like Struble.


      Buffalo is into any D at this point, but particularly big guys. Struble can also play RD.

      Small sample size, but he has been insane this year
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      Feb. 2 at 8:05 p.m.
      #29
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      Quoting: Wreckless
      you would have said the same thing the first time as well.


      nope not when he was 3 years younger
      Feb. 2 at 8:06 p.m.
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      Quoting: dgibb10
      I didn’t and don’t think Monahan was very good.

      I don’t remember every comment I’ve made, but my general takes were:
      - I think he’s too slow for a team like NJD/Colorado/Edmonton to pay much for him
      -I think there’s no chance he gets a non playoff 1st
      -I think he gets a fair amount less than Lindholm

      I feel like I wasn’t wrong on any of those points.


      What he had were the basic counting stats, cheap contract (without the commitment of term), and playing the most valuable position in hockey.

      Allen has term that’s honestly pretty pricey, pretty bad basic stats, and plays the least valuable position in hockey.

      If Jake Allen had 1 year on his deal I’d be on board to have him in jersey similar to Mrazek (I made a ton of Mrazek proposals before his extension). That 2nd year just makes it tough bc I think I’d rather have 4 mill this offseason to choose my goalie (there’s quite a few low tier options and should be a number of rentals available)


      It’s very close to the value of the Lindholm deal, imo. Arguably more, possibly. Kuzmenko is a cap dump. Vancouver didn’t want him. Winnipeg’s pick projects to be better than Vancouver’s.
      Feb. 2 at 8:09 p.m.
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      Quoting: Wreckless
      It’s very close to the value of the Lindholm deal, imo. Arguably more, possibly. Kuzmenko is a cap dump. Vancouver didn’t want him. Winnipeg’s pick projects to be better than Vancouver’s.


      The problem with your analysis of the goalie signing, is that you’ll need to offer more than 1 year term in the offseason for any decent goalie. At a higher cap hit. And you won’t know if he’ll truly fit or not. So way more risk. The Allen will have value either way that can still be traded. Heck, the Habs would take him back if it doesn’t work out and do this all over again next year.
      Feb. 2 at 8:09 p.m.
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      Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
      And 1,6m cap hit half retained . Teams don’t want that. He isn’t even good enough to be 13th forward on most teams


      Ye hath little faith in history…
      Feb. 2 at 8:11 p.m.
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      Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
      Buffalo is into any D at this point, but particularly big guys. Struble can also play RD.

      Small sample size, but he has been insane this year


      Fair enough. I’d say overall my approximate valuations for the habs defensive pieces would be
      Guhle: 2 1sts+ (but realistically would only be moved in a hockey trade for a position of greater need. I know you’re not a fan but Holtz for example with other details worked out
      Hutson: 1st+3rd (Very productive college player but limited size, valued similarly to where I have Seamus Casey, again unlikely to move)
      Reinbacher: 2 1sts (not much to say tbh, high draft pedigree, value isn’t gonna change that much 6 months in)
      Matheson: just shy of a 1st (I think could be a damn solid PP QB and 2nd pairing guy. Would be a lot more valuable as a righty imo)
      Barron: 2nd (hasn’t shown great play at the NHL level imo, but upside, righty, pedigree. I wouldn’t be shocked if a team could be convinced to give up a 1st for him with something else tacked onto him)
      Struble/Harris/Kovacevic: All 3rds, Struble as an upside guy, Harris as the younger guy pushed out of a role, Kovacevic as a rock solid 3rd pairing/7D
      Savard: 2nd with retention. I personally don’t think he’s very good but I feel like he’s the type of asset you could get a team to overpay for.
      Mailloux: I don’t think a team would trade for him what he’s worth. Any kind of move that puts him back into the news is a bad idea especially right after the WJC drops. Could be a top 4 guy, could never be an NHL caliber dman
      Those are my thoughts for whatever they’re worth.
      Feb. 2 at 8:11 p.m.
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      Quoting: boltsfan71
      nope not when he was 3 years younger


      Same player. Same role that he was great in when they won a cup. He knows everyone and everyone knows him. He’s a total fit.
      Feb. 2 at 8:12 p.m.
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      Same player. Same role that he was great in when they won a cup. He knows everyone and everyone knows him. He’s a total fit.


      they had better defense then, now they need an impact guy not just depth
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      Feb. 2 at 8:13 p.m.
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      Quoting: Wreckless
      It’s very close to the value of the Lindholm deal, imo. Arguably more, possibly. Kuzmenko is a cap dump. Vancouver didn’t want him. Winnipeg’s pick projects to be better than Vancouver’s.


      I agree that Kuzmenko was a cap dump (and was saying that before he was included)

      My estimation is that bruz is a pretty significant piece that Montreal didn’t get (and again I’m lower on him than a lot of people are). Which was what I was generally saying. That MTL wasn’t going to get that significantly meaningful prospect on TOP of a 1st.
      Feb. 2 at 8:15 p.m.
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      Quoting: dgibb10
      Fair enough. I’d say overall my approximate valuations for the habs defensive pieces would be
      Guhle: 2 1sts+ (but realistically would only be moved in a hockey trade for a position of greater need. I know you’re not a fan but Holtz for example with other details worked out
      Hutson: 1st+3rd (Very productive college player but limited size, valued similarly to where I have Seamus Casey, again unlikely to move)
      Reinbacher: 2 1sts (not much to say tbh, high draft pedigree, value isn’t gonna change that much 6 months in)
      Matheson: just shy of a 1st (I think could be a damn solid PP QB and 2nd pairing guy. Would be a lot more valuable as a righty imo)
      Barron: 2nd (hasn’t shown great play at the NHL level imo, but upside, righty, pedigree. I wouldn’t be shocked if a team could be convinced to give up a 1st for him with something else tacked onto him)
      Struble/Harris/Kovacevic: All 3rds, Struble as an upside guy, Harris as the younger guy pushed out of a role, Kovacevic as a rock solid 3rd pairing/7D
      Savard: 2nd with retention. I personally don’t think he’s very good but I feel like he’s the type of asset you could get a team to overpay for.
      Mailloux: I don’t think a team would trade for him what he’s worth. Any kind of move that puts him back into the news is a bad idea especially right after the WJC drops. Could be a top 4 guy, could never be an NHL caliber dman
      Those are my thoughts for whatever they’re worth.


      I’d agree with your most ratings, maybe Hutson lower value. But Matheson 100% gets more than a first. Cheap contract and insane offensive abilities.

      Barron also get more than a first easily. He is 15th in his draft class for pts as a D. He is lazy sure, but if he wake up, I prefer him to Guhle. He is also very good defensively when he tries. He make braindead mistake, but he has very good potential.
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      Feb. 2 at 8:20 p.m.
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      I'd be fine with getting another goalie... my problem with Allen is that he isn't waiver-exempt and he isn't good enough to justify him staying on the roster once Freddie get's healthy
      Feb. 2 at 8:22 p.m.
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      Quoting: dgibb10
      I agree that Kuzmenko was a cap dump (and was saying that before he was included)

      My estimation is that bruz is a pretty significant piece that Montreal didn’t get (and again I’m lower on him than a lot of people are). Which was what I was generally saying. That MTL wasn’t going to get that significantly meaningful prospect on TOP of a 1st.


      I mean that 3rd is basically nothing... there is almost no way that they actually get the third so it's basically a first for Monahan which is pretty rich but I can see why the Jets gave them that
      Feb. 2 at 8:22 p.m.
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      Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
      I’d agree with your most ratings, maybe Hutson lower value. But Matheson 100% gets more than a first. Cheap contract and insane offensive abilities.

      Barron also get more than a first easily. He is 15th in his draft class for pts as a D. He is lazy sure, but if he wake up, I prefer him to Guhle. He is also very good defensively when he tries. He make braindead mistake, but he has very good potential.


      I think Barron would be the guy I’d keep.

      Move 1 of either Matheson retained, Guhle, or Hutson for a stud top 6 forward. Idk which one but 1 of them I’d ship out.

      Barron I’d keep, Savard I’d keep, ship out Kovacevic and get a more high tier vet in free agency if you can (let’s use Matt Roy as an example or Brett Pesce or something)

      If the Xhekaj offers are actually what I’ve seen claimed, send him out asap, (again personally I think he sucks)
      Next year:
      Guhle-Roy
      Hutson-Savard
      Harris-Barron
      struble/Xhekaj

      Then
      Guhle-Roy
      Hutson-Barron
      Harris-Reinbacher
      Mailloux/Xhekaj/Struble

      Or maybe even bring in a Tanev on like a 2/3 year deal if you want to avoid term
      Feb. 2 at 8:33 p.m.
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      I think Barron would be the guy I’d keep.

      Move 1 of either Matheson retained, Guhle, or Hutson for a stud top 6 forward. Idk which one but 1 of them I’d ship out.

      Barron I’d keep, Savard I’d keep, ship out Kovacevic and get a more high tier vet in free agency if you can (let’s use Matt Roy as an example or Brett Pesce or something)

      If the Xhekaj offers are actually what I’ve seen claimed, send him out asap, (again personally I think he sucks)
      Next year:
      Guhle-Roy
      Hutson-Savard
      Harris-Barron
      struble/Xhekaj

      Then
      Guhle-Roy
      Hutson-Barron
      Harris-Reinbacher
      Mailloux/Xhekaj/Struble

      Or maybe even bring in a Tanev on like a 2/3 year deal if you want to avoid term


      Personnally, we don’t need to sign someone at D.

      I think Harris will be the only one traded. Next year:
      Guhle - Barron
      Matheson - Savard
      Struble - Xhekaj
      Kovacevic

      Hutson and Reinbacher spend 1 year in the ahl. Matheson is traded if Mailloux is too good for the Rocket

      I would like to see Xhekaj with Mailloux in the nhl. They were insane together in Laval. If it’s not good enough, we trade Xhekaj. I’m not a fan of him but I don’t want to play against him. So I have no doubt he gets a high return. Maybe not a first but a good forward prospect
      Feb. 2 at 8:42 p.m.
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      Andersen’s health is a giant question mark at best, and the Canes are going for the cup. They’ll be in on the auction. We’ll see who offers the most.


      He was just cleared to return to the ice, he'll be another month according to Waddell, no thanks
      Feb. 2 at 8:47 p.m.
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      Monahan getting a late 1st fits in line with expectations

      None of these would
      Feb. 2 at 8:48 p.m.
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      This is just a troll post. Majority of people figured a 2nd and 4th, he got slightly more cause Calgary sold Lindholm early and they probably panicked a bit.
      Feb. 2 at 8:56 p.m.
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      Quoting: boltsfan71
      they had better defense then, now they need an impact guy not just depth


      Given your injuries, that’s definitely fair. My point is that you’re definitely adding, and probably multiple D.
      Feb. 2 at 9:02 p.m.
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      Quoting: dgibb10
      I agree that Kuzmenko was a cap dump (and was saying that before he was included)

      My estimation is that bruz is a pretty significant piece that Montreal didn’t get (and again I’m lower on him than a lot of people are). Which was what I was generally saying. That MTL wasn’t going to get that significantly meaningful prospect on TOP of a 1st.


      Bruz is still the value of a 3rd round pick. Last year’s draft, so no real change. So chalk that up to the price to take Kuzmenko more or less. Plus Winnipeg’s pick has more value that Vancouver’s. If the trade was to a team like Colorado, or even the Rangers, it would have had to have been more, so a 1st +.. Easier to come out of the East in the playoffs.

      Hughes did well. No doubt about it.
      Feb. 2 at 9:05 p.m.
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      Quoting: seanrushton
      I'd be fine with getting another goalie... my problem with Allen is that he isn't waiver-exempt and he isn't good enough to justify him staying on the roster once Freddie get's healthy


      You need a legit backup. And you have the deadline cap space. It’s not an issue.
      Feb. 2 at 9:08 p.m.
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      Quoting: dgibb10
      I think Barron would be the guy I’d keep.

      Move 1 of either Matheson retained, Guhle, or Hutson for a stud top 6 forward. Idk which one but 1 of them I’d ship out.

      Barron I’d keep, Savard I’d keep, ship out Kovacevic and get a more high tier vet in free agency if you can (let’s use Matt Roy as an example or Brett Pesce or something)

      If the Xhekaj offers are actually what I’ve seen claimed, send him out asap, (again personally I think he sucks)
      Next year:
      Guhle-Roy
      Hutson-Savard
      Harris-Barron
      struble/Xhekaj

      Then
      Guhle-Roy
      Hutson-Barron
      Harris-Reinbacher
      Mailloux/Xhekaj/Struble

      Or maybe even bring in a Tanev on like a 2/3 year deal if you want to avoid term


      Matheson Barron
      Guhle Savard
      Xhekaj Mailloux
      Kovacevic

      Savard only moves for a 1st. Probably stays put because of that fact. Matheson isn’t going anywhere.
      Feb. 2 at 9:09 p.m.
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      You need a legit backup. And you have the deadline cap space. It’s not an issue.


      I agree that we need a backup (short-term) and I think Allen could provide that... I just don't know what you do with him next season because you don't want to stick PK in the AHL for the entire year again
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      Feb. 2 at 9:18 p.m.
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      centre market is awful this deadline so montreal would've been dumb not to settle for a first.

      a lot of guys are gonna go for higher than they're worth this deadline methinks. seems to be the story for every deadline but i might lose it if sean walker gets a first.
       
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