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Monahan is not going to be traded for a first round pick

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Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 2, 2024
Published: Feb. 2, 2024
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One again, fiction becomes fact.
And if Winnipeg has to play Colorado or Dallas in the first round and loses, that’s ballpark the 19th overall pick (Tampa’s slot last year).
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      Feb. 2 at 9:20 p.m.
      #51
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      Quoting: seanrushton
      I agree that we need a backup (short-term) and I think Allen could provide that... I just don't know what you do with him next season because you don't want to stick PK in the AHL for the entire year again


      Goalies take time to develop. PK is waivers exempt until 2025-2026. If he’s ready early, and Andersen is fully healthy and playing well, ship out Allen then and get a return.
      We’ll take him back, no issues at all.
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      Feb. 2 at 9:24 p.m.
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      Quoting: Wreckless
      When you look at Allen’s stats, consider that we’ve been playing with 4-5 rookie D for the past 2 years every night. He’s the best goalie out there, on a good contract in a rising cap environment, with the least amount of risk tied to term left on his deal. Would be the perfect fit for Carolina. We’re basically talking about an early 2nd round pick. There’s no better way for Carolina to improve their team this deadline.


      The part I have highlighted is inaccurate. Next year, Kochetkov loses his waiver exempt status, and with Andersen being cleared to play he is clearly coming back. It would be poor asset management to trade for a goalie that costs almost 3 million against the cap if he passes through waivers (which I imagine he would, he's expensive for a backup). If double retained, I could see him potentially as a stop gap this year, but as long as he costs more than 1.125 million against the cap I don't think the fit is there with Carolina.
      Feb. 2 at 9:24 p.m.
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      Quoting: mondo
      centre market is awful this deadline so montreal would've been dumb not to settle for a first.

      a lot of guys are gonna go for higher than they're worth this deadline methinks. seems to be the story for every deadline but i might lose it if sean walker gets a first.


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      centre market is awful this deadline so montreal would've been dumb not to settle for a first.

      a lot of guys are gonna go for higher than they're worth this deadline methinks. seems to be the story for every deadline but i might lose it if sean walker gets a first.


      A player is only ever worth in the trade market whatever someone is willing to pay for him.
      Feb. 2 at 9:26 p.m.
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      Quoting: Huge_Caniac_Abe_Lincoln
      The part I have highlighted is inaccurate. Next year, Kochetkov loses his waiver exempt status, and with Andersen being cleared to play he is clearly coming back. It would be poor asset management to trade for a goalie that costs almost 3 million against the cap if he passes through waivers (which I imagine he would, he's expensive for a backup). If double retained, I could see him potentially as a stop gap this year, but as long as he costs more than 1.125 million against the cap I don't think the fit is there with Carolina.


      You’re assuming he’s ready. If he was ready now, he’d be playing. You can’t rush goalies or you can crush them forever. No guarantee for Andersen’s long term health either. It’s not a huge cap issue to have such strength at a key position. Cap’s going up.
      Feb. 2 at 9:27 p.m.
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      Quoting: Wreckless

      A player is only ever worth in the trade market whatever someone is willing to pay for him.


      great year to be a seller.

      as a fan of a team whose supposed to be a buyer - not as exciting.
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      Feb. 2 at 9:28 p.m.
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      Quoting: Wreckless
      Goalies take time to develop. PK is waivers exempt until 2025-2026. If he’s ready early, and Andersen is fully healthy and playing well, ship out Allen then and get a return.
      We’ll take him back, no issues at all.


      If there's a gentleman's agreement to send him back then I'm fine with this deal
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      Feb. 2 at 9:31 p.m.
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      Quoting: Wreckless
      You’re assuming he’s ready. If he was ready now, he’d be playing. You can’t rush goalies or you can crush them forever. No guarantee for Andersen’s long term health either. It’s not a huge cap issue to have such strength at a key position. Cap’s going up.


      He has been playing... he's just been out with a concussion. He's been played a bunch since the western coast road trip
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      Feb. 2 at 9:52 p.m.
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      Same player. Same role that he was great in when they won a cup. He knows everyone and everyone knows him. He’s a total fit.


      No, no he's not. He's older and slower by 3 years, and he wasn't even that great the last time until the last series or two. Tampa will find much better value on the blueline than Savard for that overpay
      Feb. 2 at 9:54 p.m.
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      Quoting: seanrushton
      He has been playing... he's just been out with a concussion. He's been played a bunch since the western coast road trip


      Sorry, “playing better.” On a team as stacked as Carolina is, a .900 sv% doesn’t cut it, imho.
      Feb. 2 at 9:55 p.m.
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      No, no he's not. He's older and slower by 3 years, and he wasn't even that great the last time until the last series or two. Tampa will find much better value on the blueline than Savard for that overpay


      Like who for example, and for how much?
      Feb. 2 at 9:59 p.m.
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      Given your injuries, that’s definitely fair. My point is that you’re definitely adding, and probably multiple D.


      They are fine on the left with Hedman, Serg and Lilleberg(and Fleury is also coming back and playing much better as a 6/7). On the right they have Cernak, Raddysh and Perbix, along with solid depth call ups like Crozier and Thompson. They'll very likely add one dman in case of injuries, and likely on the right side with potentially one of Walker, Fabbro, Lyubushkin etc. If Tampa does move the '26 1st, it should be for an actual upgrade on the right side or a winger that can have a significant top 6/9 impact. As Savard provides neither of those things, Tampa passes.
      Feb. 2 at 10:00 p.m.
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      Edited Feb. 2 at 10:08 p.m.
      Quoting: Wreckless
      Sorry, “playing better.” On a team as stacked as Carolina is, a .900 sv% doesn’t cut it, imho.


      PK has had a .924 and 0.25 GSAx/60 since December 9th (8th in the Leauge in that span)... the real problem is the backup position and the fact that Raanta has just been not good at all
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      Feb. 2 at 10:12 p.m.
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      Quoting: JTBF81
      They are fine on the left with Hedman, Serg and Lilleberg(and Fleury is also coming back and playing much better as a 6/7). On the right they have Cernak, Raddysh and Perbix, along with solid depth call ups like Crozier and Thompson. They'll very likely add one dman in case of injuries, and likely on the right side with potentially one of Walker, Fabbro, Lyubushkin etc. If Tampa does move the '26 1st, it should be for an actual upgrade on the right side or a winger that can have a significant top 6/9 impact. As Savard provides neither of those things, Tampa passes.


      You’re counting on either Lilleberg or Hayden Fleury for a cup run? While Sergachev has battled injuries this year. Sorry man. We don’t see things the same way. All good.
      Feb. 2 at 10:14 p.m.
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      Quoting: seanrushton
      PK has had a .924 and 0.25 GSAx/60 since December 9th (8th in the Leauge in that span)... the real problem is the backup position and the fact that Raanta has just been not good at all


      Small sample size though, and you’re cherry picking your dates. Why is “Dec. 9” particularly relevant? If Andersen is back healthy and playing well, then this is all moot.
      But that’s a risk to hope for it. I don’t see anywhere else that Carolina could use an upgrade. I agree with you that Raanta is garbage.
      Feb. 2 at 10:22 p.m.
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      Small sample size though, and you’re cherry picking your dates. Why is “Dec. 9” particularly relevant? If Andersen is back healthy and playing well, then this is all moot.
      But that’s a risk to hope for it. I don’t see anywhere else that Carolina could use an upgrade. I agree with you that Raanta is garbage.


      December 9th is relevant because that was the last game of our road trip to the West Coast and we turned the corner as a team after that game (14-4-4 as a team since then)
      If Andersen is back... I do agree it is a moot point but I would love another goalie and for our third string to not be either Annti Raanta, Spencer Martin, or Yaniv Perets
      Feb. 2 at 10:24 p.m.
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      Quoting: Wreckless
      You’re counting on either Lilleberg or Hayden Fleury for a cup run? While Sergachev has battled injuries this year. Sorry man. We don’t see things the same way. All good.


      Lol, and clearly you don't watch Tampa and think a mostly washed Savard is still worth a 1st, all good. Lilleverg has been more than fine, and Fleuey was also much improved before his injury. Again, Tampa may pay a 1st for a dman, but not one as bad as Savard.
      Feb. 2 at 10:27 p.m.
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      Quoting: seanrushton
      December 9th is relevant because that was the last game of our road trip to the West Coast and we turned the corner as a team after that game (14-4-4 as a team since then)
      If Andersen is back... I do agree it is a moot point but I would love another goalie and for our third string to not be either Annti Raanta, Spencer Martin, or Yaniv Perets


      My point is that stats always look good when you choose a positive sequence of games.
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      Feb. 2 at 10:28 p.m.
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      Lol, and clearly you don't watch Tampa and think a mostly washed Savard is still worth a 1st, all good. Lilleverg has been more than fine, and Fleuey was also much improved before his injury. Again, Tampa may pay a 1st for a dman, but not one as bad as Savard.


      Really, they look good on Tampa during regular season games? Amazing. Must mean you can count on them against elite competition in a 7 game series then.
      Feb. 2 at 10:32 p.m.
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      Like who for example, and for how much?


      Quoting: JTBF81
      No, no he's not. He's older and slower by 3 years, and he wasn't even that great the last time until the last series or two. Tampa will find much better value on the blueline than Savard for that overpay


      You don’t want to suggest who you’d want to try and trade for?
      Feb. 2 at 10:33 p.m.
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      My point is that stats always look good when you choose a positive sequence of games.


      Yeah that's fair but when you look at the game-by-game data for PK since the end of November with the exceptions of a few stinkers (at EDM, vs NYI x2) he's given the Hurricanes a chance to win every single night which is all we really ask of our goalies. I would still love Allen as a backup option assuming we can work out how to utilize him next year
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      Feb. 2 at 10:39 p.m.
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      Really, they look good on Tampa during regular season games? Amazing. Must mean you can count on them against elite competition in a 7 game series then.


      Just like because a dumb*** GM overpaid for one player you now think all of your bad players are worth far more, cool....
      Feb. 2 at 10:48 p.m.
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      You don’t want to suggest who you’d want to try and trade for?


      I've made plenty of agms lol where Tampa trades for better RD depth (Lyubushkin), better younger RDs who are still rfa(Fabbro), or an actual quality Ufa RD(Walker). For LD, I've also made agms where they go after Seeler, but again, with the solid makeup of the left side, Seeler may no longer be as big of a priority. In any case, Savard and his mediocre play and too high of a cap hit(for next year as well), isn't what Tampa should be wanting and certainly not needing to pay a 1st for. Walker and maybe Fabbro, depending on tbe deals, may be worth Tampa moving the 1st for, as well as a few wingers they might have interest in. In no case whatsoever is Savard worth close to that for Tampa. And speaking of oft injured dmen....lol, Savard has missed an average of 20 games a year the past 3 seasons; yes, he's the standard for reliability....
      Feb. 2 at 10:52 p.m.
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      I've made plenty of agms lol where Tampa trades for better RD depth (Lyubushkin), better younger RDs who are still rfa(Fabbro), or an actual quality Ufa RD(Walker). For LD, I've also made agms where they go after Seeler, but again, with the solid makeup of the left side, Seeler may no longer be as big of a priority. In any case, Savard and his mediocre play and too high of a cap hit(for next year as well), isn't what Tampa should be wanting and certainly not needing to pay a 1st for. Walker and maybe Fabbro, depending on tbe deals, may be worth Tampa moving the 1st for, as well as a few wingers they might have interest in. In no case whatsoever is Savard worth close to that for Tampa. And speaking of oft injured dmen....lol, Savard has missed an average of 20 games a year the past 3 seasons; yes, he's the standard for reliability....


      My guess? Tampa adds both Lyubushkin and Savard. Fabbro and Walker? Meh….
      Feb. 2 at 11:40 p.m.
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      My guess? Tampa adds both Lyubushkin and Savard. Fabbro and Walker? Meh….


      Savard does nothing for them anymore at his cap amd ability. It should be one of Lyubushkin/Walker/Fabbro+ a winger in the range of Duclair/Barabanov/Smith(maybe Sprong if he's made available) or a more bottom 6 add like Trenin/Sturm/maybe Laughton etc. If they can only make one add it'll be one of the dmen, but with a little maneuvering, they should be able to add one player at each position.
       
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