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Created by: TimmyG10
Team: 2023-24 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 4, 2024
Published: Feb. 4, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
MIN
  1. Friedman, Mark
  2. 2025 4th round pick (VAN)
2.
MTL
  1. Myers, Tyler
  2. Podkolzin, Vasily
  3. 2024 6th round pick (VAN)
3.
MIN
  1. 2024 4th round pick (NJD)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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23$83,500,000$80,280,417$850,000$0$3,219,583
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,350,000$7,350,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$4,850,000$4,850,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,600,000$1,600,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
C, LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
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$6,650,000$6,650,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$825,000$825,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$1,900,000$1,900,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$4,950,000$4,950,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$883,750$883,750
C
RFA - 1
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LD
UFA - 4
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$4,400,000$4,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
UFA - 3
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Minnesota Wild
$850,000$850,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$775,000$775,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LW
UFA - 2

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Feb. 4 at 9:09 p.m.
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Sennecke is a gem
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Too weak of an offer to be worth it
Feb. 4 at 9:45 p.m.
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VAN
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Van could just re-sign Myers, to a cheaper deal, who is playing better than Savard. And keep Pod.
Feb. 4 at 9:58 p.m.
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Jeff Gorton
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Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
Van could just re-sign Myers, to a cheaper deal, who is playing better than Savard. And keep Pod.


Myers better than Savard? LOL hes taller thats about it
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Feb. 4 at 10:23 p.m.
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VAN
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Myers better than Savard? LOL hes taller thats about it


Savard is at his retirement home
Feb. 4 at 10:42 p.m.
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Why is Vancouver trading the better defenseman + Podkolzin + a draft pick? Myers' contract ends this year and Jimbo is gone.

Savard was league-worst in Game Score for January. 40 CF% 5v5, and signed for another year.
Feb. 5 at 12:56 a.m.
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Jeff Gorton
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Quoting: westleysnipez
Why is Vancouver trading the better defenseman + Podkolzin + a draft pick? Myers' contract ends this year and Jimbo is gone.

Savard was league-worst in Game Score for January. 40 CF% 5v5, and signed for another year.


This is why with analytics you look further than just a few games in a month.
Myers is a -6.2 GAR while Savard is -5.
Savard is -.8 WAR while Myers is -1
Savard difference between EVO and EVD is -1.5, Myers is -2.3

They both suck defensively but Savard at least provides some offence to make up the defensive liability. Savard is also on one of the worst 5v5 teams in the league while Myers is surrounded by PDO merchants. If you were to switch them, Savard would look so much better and Myers would look so much worse
Feb. 5 at 4:07 p.m.
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westleysnipez
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Quoting: JeffGorton
This is why with analytics you look further than just a few games in a month.
Myers is a -6.2 GAR while Savard is -5.
Savard is -.8 WAR while Myers is -1
Savard difference between EVO and EVD is -1.5, Myers is -2.3

They both suck defensively but Savard at least provides some offence to make up the defensive liability. Savard is also on one of the worst 5v5 teams in the league while Myers is surrounded by PDO merchants. If you were to switch them, Savard would look so much better and Myers would look so much worse


Yeah, I strongly doubt that. Myers has been good when he's able to play a Top-4 role and not forced into 23+ mins/night. Savard struggles just playing Top-4 minutes.

Savard has been plain bad all season, January was just the peak of his bad play. It's not because he's on a bad team, it's because he's fallen off hard the last two seasons. Abysmal CF% at 5v5 his whole career except for when he was a rental on Tampa, and that was due to him having sheltered minutes. Savard's career CF% is 47, with MTL it's been in the low 40s. Meanwhile, Myers had a better CF% on worse Vancouver teams.

Also it's hilarious how people like you continue to whine about Vancouver's PDO nearly 60% of the way through the season.
Feb. 5 at 4:24 p.m.
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Jeff Gorton
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Quoting: westleysnipez
Yeah, I strongly doubt that. Myers has been good when he's able to play a Top-4 role and not forced into 23+ mins/night. Savard struggles just playing Top-4 minutes.

Savard has been plain bad all season, January was just the peak of his bad play. It's not because he's on a bad team, it's because he's fallen off hard the last two seasons. Abysmal CF% at 5v5 his whole career except for when he was a rental on Tampa, and that was due to him having sheltered minutes. Savard's career CF% is 47, with MTL it's been in the low 40s. Meanwhile, Myers had a better CF% on worse Vancouver teams.

Also it's hilarious how people like you continue to whine about Vancouver's PDO nearly 60% of the way through the season.


I gave you individual analytics that proves Savard has been better than Myers while being is a less favorable circumstance. You just chose to ignore them Last 3 years btw, Savard has had the better CF in 2 of them. Hes had the better xGF/60 in all 3
Feb. 5 at 8:53 p.m.
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Quoting: JeffGorton
I gave you individual analytics that proves Savard has been better than Myers while being is a less favorable circumstance. You just chose to ignore them Last 3 years btw, Savard has had the better CF in 2 of them. Hes had the better xGF/60 in all 3


I didn't ignore it, I said I highly doubted the stats. I couldn't check before because I was on mobile, but now that I've access to the data, let's go over things.

Tyler Myers' Player Card with data from Evolving Hockey & CapFriendly.

David Savard's Player Card with data from Evolving Hockey & CapFriendly.

Evolving Hockey is the source for GAR, SPAR, and WAR for those who may not know.

We can see from the data points collected that Tyler Myers, while not a 6M player, provides far better market value than Savard (2.4M vs. 0.8M) and is the more complete player. His surplus value is also lower, because Savard is signed for an extra year and is likely to further decline, whereas Myers' contract ends this season. Myers is the better defenseman.

Also, you bring up xGF, but for two defensemen who score fewer than 5 goals in a season, I don't think it's worth pointing out. That amounts to 2 goal differential over an 82-game span, relatively meaningless. That's like measuring the coast in centimeters vs. inches.

The Matheson-Savard pairing is responsible for the 4th most Shot Attempts Against/60 (72.06) [min. 200 mins played].
Zadorov-Myers pairing is ranked 21st by the same metric (63.08).

The Matheson-Savard pairing is responsible for the 32nd most Goals Against/60 (2.66) [min. 200 mins played].
Zadorov-Myers is ranked 83rd by the same metric (1.75).

Source: https://moneypuck.com/lines.htm

It's very evident that Savard is the worse player.
 
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