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That’s probably not even enough to dump Anderson

Would you trade Caufield for that? Because he and Zegras are very similar. Zegras has a slightly higher career PPG, and can also play center though. Both are defensive liabilities

Feb. 6 at 4:41 p.m.

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That might get you out of Andersons contract, but it sure doesn't get you Trevor Zegras, Verbeek laugh

and politely declines.

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Feb. 6 at 4:49 p.m.

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Quoting: mv21227

Theres no way you think Zegras and Caufield are at all comparable. Only similarity is the fact they are american. Both play vastly different games and have vastly different attitudes.

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Feb. 6 at 4:50 p.m.

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Quoting: MoSeider53

That might get you out of Andersons contract, but it sure doesn't get you Trevor Zegras, Verbeek laugh

and politely declines.

"Of course this doesnt happen, since the Ducks can scam some other team and get Dubois like assets for him. Habs shouldnt be willing to do that"

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Feb. 6 at 4:52 p.m.

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Cole and Z have the same scoring per game this year. The only difference is that Zegras’s “scoring” is in terms of pts, while Cole’s is in terms of goals. They’re not even comparable

Feb. 6 at 4:54 p.m.

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Quoting: Caufield

Cole and Z have the same scoring per game this year. The only difference is that Zegras’s “scoring” is in terms of pts, while Cole’s is in terms of goals. They’re not even comparable

Its not even that. Caufield is a playdriving sniper. Hes closer to Troy Terry

If anything hes closer to Suzuki (without the high end defence, but more skill goals)

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Feb. 6 at 4:56 p.m.

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Quoting: JeffGorton

Theres no way you think Zegras and Caufield are at all comparable. Only similarity is the fact they are american. Both play vastly different games and have vastly different attitudes.

They’re both all offense, no defense forwards. Caufield more shooting focused and Zegras more playmaking focused. Zegras has been more productive in his career, especially at 5v5, and can also play the more important position (and also has the versatility to play on the wing)

Feb. 6 at 4:57 p.m.

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Quoting: JeffGorton

Its not even that. Caufield is a playdriving sniper. Hes closer to Troy Terry

If anything hes closer to Suzuki (without the high end defence, but more skill goals)

True, but in terms of play alone, Cole is tiers above Zegras this year, and Cole is on a down year as well

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Feb. 6 at 4:58 p.m.

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Quoting: Caufield

Cole and Z have the same scoring per game this year. The only difference is that Zegras’s “scoring” is in terms of pts, while Cole’s is in terms of goals. They’re not even comparable

Caufield in his career: 0.72 PPG

Zegras in his career: 0.73 PPG

Zegras also has a lot more production at 5v5. One down season doesn’t make Zegras an awful player

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Feb. 6 at 4:59 p.m.

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Quoting: mv21227

Zegras is a winger who is forced into the center position. He is not a center

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Feb. 6 at 5:02 p.m.

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Anderson is part of the deal therefore Anaheim automatically declines

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Feb. 6 at 5:03 p.m.

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Quoting: mv21227

Caufield in his career: 0.72 PPG

Zegras in his career: 0.73 PPG

Zegras also has a lot more production at 5v5. One down season doesn’t make Zegras an awful player

Cole is on a down season, he remains tiers above Zegras this year. It shouldn't be hard to grasp the idea that if a player has that much of a decrease in play, his value drops significantly. PLD is arguably not even worth a 7th on the NHL trade market, due to 1 season. That's just how stocks work. If a company is doing poorly, the stocks will lose a lot of value. The value can be gained again if the company does well again, it just might not go as high as it was due past lows.

Feb. 6 at 5:04 p.m.

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Quoting: Caufield

Zegras is a winger who is forced into the center position. He is not a center

While he’s better suited as a winger he’s able to play center if needed

Zegras: slightly more productive overall
Much better production at 5v5
Much better passer
Is able to play Center

Caufield: having a better current season
Much better shooter
Better play driver

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Feb. 6 at 5:04 p.m.

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Quoting: GeneralLandro

Anderson is part of the deal therefore Anaheim automatically declines

I think it's not a mock trade, just the max that MTL would pay for Z in the eyes @JeffGorton . He said ANA would decline

Feb. 6 at 5:05 p.m.

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There are definitely red flags around Zegras but not enough to bring his price down.
I think you're correct that we shouldn't be the ones to bite on a trade unless the cost is more palatable.
The hope is that the player matures with time and becomes more effective.
We see it go both ways. Some players overcome those early concerns, some don't.
Someone will likely "bet the over" and give up more than I would be personally be willing.

Feb. 6 at 5:06 p.m.

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Quoting: ricochetii

lol where are these red flags and

Feb. 6 at 5:24 p.m.

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lol where are these red flags and

The fact that ANA is rebuilding and still looking for elite forwards, yet have made Zegras available. Yes, I'd say that's a red flag.

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Feb. 6 at 5:27 p.m.

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Quoting: Caufield

Cole is on a down season, he remains tiers above Zegras this year. It shouldn't be hard to grasp the idea that if a player has that much of a decrease in play, his value drops significantly. PLD is arguably not even worth a 7th on the NHL trade market, due to 1 season. That's just how stocks work. If a company is doing poorly, the stocks will lose a lot of value. The value can be gained again if the company does well again, it just might not go as high as it was due past lows.

And Zegras isn't?

This isn't a Caufield vs Zegras debate, the reality is what MTL fans see Caufield as is what ANA fans see Zegras as. We would scoff at an offer of Anderson, Barron, and a 2nd round pick for Caufield why would you expect anything else for Zegras?

The "attitude" assumptions we are making based off nothing more than rumors remind me of a young Nylander with Toronto, overblown in my opinion. Comparing him to PLD who forced his way out of 2 teams makes no sense.

If you want a neutral reference, Pronman ranked Zegras 22 and Caufield 25 in his U23 rankings, they are quite comparable in their careers so far.

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Feb. 6 at 5:30 p.m.

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Quoting: Blazingbat11

The fact that ANA is rebuilding and still looking for elite forwards, yet have made Zegras available. Yes, I'd say that's a red flag.

But they haven't made Zegras available?

Feb. 6 at 5:34 p.m.

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The fact that ANA is rebuilding and still looking for elite forwards, yet have made Zegras available. Yes, I'd say that's a red flag.

And who said he is available man

Don’t tell me it was Frank ‘trash can’ Seravalli

Remember when he said Gibson told Anaheim he will never play a game in Anaheim ever again? Yeah, I remember that too

Guy throws darts that don’t even land on the wall of the dart board

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Feb. 6 at 6:23 p.m.

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lol where are these red flags and

Hes a young 60 point player who didnt get a long term deal and then the Ducks give him a bridge and trade for another forward that would end up playing his exact position

Feb. 6 at 6:24 p.m.

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