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Can they afford to keep him

Created by: We_know_nothing
Team: 2024-25 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 4, 2024
Published: Feb. 7, 2024
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Keeping Lindholm would take some co-operation from EP40 in taking a little less money on a 4 year deal, then sign a huge deal in three years or potentially walk as a UFA.

The team would ice two rookies and Podkolzin up front. That might be too much, but I think they're ready. Lekkerimaki has some proving to do, so I signed Lafferty as insurance.

They need to find another journeyman defensemen as insurance on the blueline. Someone who can sub in and not look out of place, but isn't a regular. At least until EP#2 or Willander is ready to join the big club.
Free Agent Signings
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8$7,250,000
2$900,000
2$900,000
3$12,000,000
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3$2,250,000
6$8,000,000
4$4,000,000
3$3,250,000
2$1,900,000
2$1,650,000
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VAN
  1. 2025 2nd round pick (CBJ)
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Pretty much any team, hope to get a 2nd rounder
CBJ
  1. Garland, Conor
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Unfortunately, spending $5M/year on a 3rd liner doesn't make sense if we're going to try to keep Lindholm
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2024
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2026
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22$87,700,000$85,971,667$0$475,000$1,728,333
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
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C, LW
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UFA - 6
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$475,000$475K)
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C, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
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UFA - 2
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
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UFA
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$900,000$900,000
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RFA
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NTC
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
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Feb. 7 at 3:39 p.m.
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It sounds like Petey isn't going to sign with VAN anyways, he definitely won't to sign a 3 year deal. Feel like if you want to keep him it will have to be a 8 year $12.5M type deal.
Feb. 7 at 3:40 p.m.
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Garland checks the "wily veteran" box Columbus needs very much, but 5 million dollars on a small wing for an org with many small wings just doesn't seem like a wise use of cap space. I'm not opposed to acquiring him generally, but definitely not for a second.
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Feb. 7 at 3:46 p.m.
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Quoting: ClockReads2113
It sounds like Petey isn't going to sign with VAN anyways, he definitely won't to sign a 3 year deal. Feel like if you want to keep him it will have to be a 8 year $12.5M type deal.


Pettersson more than likely will sign. And it’s been reported he may prefer a shorter term deal over an 8 year deal
Feb. 7 at 3:46 p.m.
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That is not going to happen. For the CBJ, Garland would be looked at as a cap dump. Which means Van would be adding to have us take him. At the TDL the Jackets should move all UFAs. This only complicates things for the Jackets.
Feb. 7 at 3:47 p.m.
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Pettersson more than likely will sign. And it’s been reported he may prefer a shorter term deal over an 8 year deal


It will be interesting to see what happens.
Feb. 7 at 4:16 p.m.
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would much much much rather have zadorov walk rather than trade garland. garland has been great
Feb. 7 at 4:32 p.m.
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I recently realized not only do we not have to resign Zadorov but at 4 mil it just doesn't represent value. Could sign Tanev for that or less.
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Feb. 7 at 8:31 p.m.
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would much much much rather have zadorov walk rather than trade garland. garland has been great


The problem with that is that the Canucks have guys ready to take Garland's spot, they don't have anyone ready to take Zadorov's spot. $4.95M is just too much for the 3rd line
Feb. 7 at 8:33 p.m.
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I recently realized not only do we not have to resign Zadorov but at 4 mil it just doesn't represent value. Could sign Tanev for that or less.


That thought did cross my mind too. Zadorov is 5 years younger than Tanev and more durable. I'd consider re-signing Meyers at $2.5M/yr instead of Zadorov. Do a two year deal with him.
Feb. 7 at 8:34 p.m.
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Quoting: Jacketsman61
That is not going to happen. For the CBJ, Garland would be looked at as a cap dump. Which means Van would be adding to have us take him. At the TDL the Jackets should move all UFAs. This only complicates things for the Jackets.


After his performance this year, Garland won't be looked at as a cap dump.
Feb. 7 at 10:00 p.m.
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That is not going to happen. For the CBJ, Garland would be looked at as a cap dump. Which means Van would be adding to have us take him. At the TDL the Jackets should move all UFAs. This only complicates things for the Jackets.


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After his performance this year, Garland won't be looked at as a cap dump.


I wouldn't call him a cap dump at all, kind of like Elvis: they're pretty decent players who make a little too much money. A "cap dump" is a guy that's replacement level or below making enough money to be significant, IMO. Garland isn't that at all.

It is still a lot of money to take back though, but I could see it making sense if we move out a similarly overpaid player with term, like Peeke (as was all the rage on here at the beginning of the season).

Garland alone for a 2nd doesn't make sense for Columbus, but maybe Garland for Peeke + 4th? Vancouver gets $2.2M in cap space over the same term, and a mid-rounder for giving up the much better player. Columbus deals from a position of abundance to get a guy who's a solid 3rd-line fit.
Feb. 8 at 12:55 a.m.
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That thought did cross my mind too. Zadorov is 5 years younger than Tanev and more durable. I'd consider re-signing Meyers at $2.5M/yr instead of Zadorov. Do a two year deal with him.


I just don't think you'd ever want to pay a 3rd pair dman 4 mil. And I agree someone probably will. And I like his toughness and everything but I just think thats a contract that can't really get surplus value from. There will be any number of UFAs available with that kind of money if you don't think Tanev is young enough or durable enough.
Feb. 11 at 12:06 a.m.
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I wouldn't call him a cap dump at all, kind of like Elvis: they're pretty decent players who make a little too much money. A "cap dump" is a guy that's replacement level or below making enough money to be significant, IMO. Garland isn't that at all.

It is still a lot of money to take back though, but I could see it making sense if we move out a similarly overpaid player with term, like Peeke (as was all the rage on here at the beginning of the season).

Garland alone for a 2nd doesn't make sense for Columbus, but maybe Garland for Peeke + 4th? Vancouver gets $2.2M in cap space over the same term, and a mid-rounder for giving up the much better player. Columbus deals from a position of abundance to get a guy who's a solid 3rd-line fit.


Have to agree to disagree here. The Jackets need to commit to playing the kids. The Jackets currently have way too many forwards and more youngsters on the way.
Feb. 11 at 12:15 a.m.
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Have to agree to disagree here. The Jackets need to commit to playing the kids. The Jackets currently have way too many forwards and more youngsters on the way.


We do, but we also have too many RD and more (well, Jiricek) on the way. Garland >> Peeke, anything that gets him off the team and clears one logjam is a win in my book. Besides, Garland and Peeke are almost exactly 2 years apart in age, it's not like he's over-the-hill.

Would Vancouver ever do it? No. Would Columbus do it? Probably no. Would I do it? In a heartbeat.
Feb. 11 at 12:23 a.m.
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We do, but we also have too many RD and more (well, Jiricek) on the way. Garland >> Peeke, anything that gets him off the team and clears one logjam is a win in my book. Besides, Garland and Peeke are almost exactly 2 years apart in age, it's not like he's over-the-hill.

Would Vancouver ever do it? No. Would Columbus do it? Probably no. Would I do it? In a heartbeat.


I agree Peeke out for Garland would work financially, but his fit here on this team would not be ideal. Garland is a piece you add to make a team deeper that is close to competing for a Cup. That is not the Jackets. We need to let go of unnecessary older players and allow the young players a chance to play meaningful minutes and roles. Look at Chinakhov, he got increased minutes and has been one of our best forwards, same with Silly and Voronkov.
Feb. 11 at 12:35 a.m.
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I agree Peeke out for Garland would work financially, but his fit here on this team would not be ideal. Garland is a piece you add to make a team deeper that is close to competing for a Cup. That is not the Jackets. We need to let go of unnecessary older players and allow the young players a chance to play meaningful minutes and roles. Look at Chinakhov, he got increased minutes and has been one of our best forwards, same with Silly and Voronkov.


He also would still be under-30 (ideally) by the time we're competing, and you can't expect a team devoid of all veterans to succeed. If Ros, Bemstrom, potentially Boone, and possibly Tex are gone after this season, and Kuraly, Oliver, and Danforth potentially next, there's still room for Garland in the bottom 6.

Gaudreau - Fantilli - Laine
Johnson - Sillinger - Marchenko
Chinakhov - Jenner - Garland
Texier - Kuraly - Voronkov
Olivier, Danforth

He keeps someone like Brindley and Dumais out of the NHL for another year, but he's a useful player and pro that can slot up and down the lineup. I'm not saying it's a perfect idea, but I think it's still justifiable. The kids need top-6 minutes, adding a bottom-6 vet doesn't hurt, especially if it gets them some seasoning in the AHL on the top line. We're on the same team and unlikely to sway each other, though, I'm just ready for the team to try something.
 
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