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Hanifin wants out

Created by: dk124
Published: Feb. 17 at 10:01 p.m.
Salary Cap: $83,500,000
Season Days: 61/192 (32%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has been rejected because one of the teams exceeds the 23 player roster limit

Logo of the Calgary FlamesCalgary Flames

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Hanifin, NoahCalgary FlamesNHL-$1,572,656011---5492130--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Casey, SeamusNew Jersey DevilsReserve List-$0001---------
2024 1st round pick (Logo of the New Jersey DevilsNJD)---100------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$962,6582344654711
Change$1,572,656-1-10100
Final$2,535,314 (↑)22 (↓)43 (↓)655 (↑)711-9-21-30

Logo of the New Jersey DevilsNew Jersey Devils

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Casey, SeamusNew Jersey DevilsReserve List-$0001---------
2024 1st round pick (Logo of the New Jersey DevilsNJD)---100------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Hanifin, NoahCalgary FlamesNHL-$4,950,000011---5492130--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$10,412,5002346683511
Change-$4,950,000110-100
Final$5,462,500 (↓)24 (↑)47 (↑)682 (↓)51192130
Feb. 17 at 10:28 p.m.
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Replace Casey with Mercer and it's a deal with 50% retention on Hanifin. Holtz would work too but without retention.
Feb. 17 at 10:58 p.m.
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Quoting: MoxNix
Replace Casey with Mercer and it's a deal with 50% retention on Hanifin. Holtz would work too but without retention.


Biggest return for a rental in NHL history
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Feb. 18 at 3:46 a.m.
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Biggest return for a rental in NHL history


The flames trades are getting as bad as the habs ones in the summer of 2022
Feb. 18 at 7:49 a.m.
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The flames trades are getting as bad as the habs ones in the summer of 2022


The opposite actually. Everyone thinks because they're named Flames it must be a fire sale where everything is on sale cheap.
Feb. 18 at 7:56 a.m.
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Quoting: MoxNix
The opposite actually. Everyone thinks because they're named Flames it must be a fire sale where everything is on sale cheap.


No everyone just thinks it's delusional
Feb. 18 at 8:00 a.m.
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Edited Feb. 18 at 8:12 a.m.
Quoting: MoxNix
Replace Casey with Mercer and it's a deal with 50% retention on Hanifin. Holtz would work too but without retention.


Dude I told you stop drinking the bong water, because that would be the only reason to think you would pry Mercer away from the Devils for Hanifin a rental worth a 1st and Bahl tops

Where are all the Flames fans talking about Hanifin resigning just the other day?
Must be the same fans talking about how Zadorov was not going to get traded and then Lindholm was going to resign long term in Calgary soon too, sounds like Flames fans are good at fooling themselves into thinking these guys want to resign long term with how ownership handled Sutter with the players wanting him fired a year sooner instead it blew up like a grenade and creating an exodus of star players
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Feb. 18 at 8:18 a.m.
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No everyone just thinks it's delusional


What's delusional is thinking you can acquire a starting goalie for the playoffs who's stats are behind only Connor Hellebuyck this year without even giving up a middle 6 center in spite of the fact a middle 6 center alone wouldn't be enough.
Feb. 18 at 11:15 a.m.
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What's delusional is thinking you can acquire a starting goalie for the playoffs who's stats are behind only Connor Hellebuyck this year without even giving up a middle 6 center in spite of the fact a middle 6 center alone wouldn't be enough.


22 year old who scored 27 the year prior* not just middle 6 center he's very likely a versatile 30 goal scorer for a large part of his career if you want a "middle 6 center" so bad for a 34 year old goalie you could enjoy a nice erik haula
Feb. 18 at 11:23 a.m.
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Quoting: Schuyler
22 year old who scored 27 the year prior* not just middle 6 center he's very likely a versatile 30 goal scorer for a large part of his career if you want a "middle 6 center" so bad for a 34 year old goalie you could enjoy a nice erik haula


First it was Zacha, then Sharangovich, now it's Mercer's turn to be traded.
Feb. 18 at 11:40 a.m.
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First it was Zacha, then Sharangovich, now it's Mercer's turn to be traded.


What is that even supposed to mean? They got traded because they didn't have spots for either of them and deserved a chance to succeed somewhere else. also Huberdeau and Weegar for tkachuk lol enjoy being middling for 10 years
Feb. 18 at 11:50 a.m.
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Edited Feb. 18 at 11:59 a.m.
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What is that even supposed to mean? They got traded because they didn't have spots for either of them and deserved a chance to succeed somewhere else. also Huberdeau and Weegar for tkachuk lol enjoy being middling for 10 years


It's simple. Other than Zacha and Sharangovich being bigger and faster and Mercer being a right shot they're all part of a succession of similar players in NJ.

Zacha 0.52 PPG was the Devils leading scorer
Sharangovich 0.54 PPG on a slightly improved team never the leading scorer
Mercer 0.56 PPG on a much improved team never the leading scorer

0.50 PPG give or take 0.05 either way is pretty much exactly what is expected from a good middle 6 forward.

All 3 keep bouncing around the lineup in NJ from wing to center, bottom 6 to top 6 back and forth. The simple fact is none of them will be replacing Hischier or Hughes anytime soon. The first two have already been traded, Mercer is next. He's RFA now and NJ won't be able to afford to keep him much longer either.

I could take childish cheap shots at you or your team too but I won't stoop to your level.
Feb. 18 at 12:02 p.m.
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It's simple. Other than Zacha and Sharangovich being bigger and faster and Mercer being a right shot they're all part of a succession of similar players in NJ.

Zacha 0.52 PPG was the Devils leading scorer
Sharangovich 0.54 PPG on a slightly improved team
Mercer 0.56 PPG on a much improved team

All 3 keep bouncing around the lineup in NJ from wing to center, bottom 6 to top 6 back and forth. The simple fact is none of them will be replacing Hischier or Hughes anytime soon. The first two have already been traded, Mercer is next. He's RFA now and NJ won't be able to afford to keep him much longer either.


https://newjerseyhockeynow.com/2024/01/25/devils-gm-addresses-status-key-pending-free-agents/
"With Dawson, we have time with his agent,” Fitzgerald explained. “He’s a young player that obviously we would love to continue to work with for the next bunch of years."
Feb. 18 at 12:14 p.m.
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I forgot to add this year's stats for comparison

Zacha 51 GP 12G/22A for 34 points
Sharangovich 55GP 20A/16A for 36 points
Mercer 54GP 15G/11A for 26 points

Mercer is well behind both Zacha and Sharangovich. They played for NJ when NJ was a worse team than they are now. If they could be traded then so can Mercer. The returns on them weren't great either in fact they were good deals for Boston and Calgary but not for NJ yet you NJ fans act like Mercer is untouchable. smile
Feb. 18 at 1:02 p.m.
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Quoting: MoxNix
I forgot to add this year's stats for comparison

Zacha 51 GP 12G/22A for 34 points
Sharangovich 55GP 20A/16A for 36 points
Mercer 54GP 15G/11A for 26 points

Mercer is well behind both Zacha and Sharangovich. They played for NJ when NJ was a worse team than they are now. If they could be traded then so can Mercer. The returns on them weren't great either in fact they were good deals for Boston and Calgary but not for NJ yet you NJ fans act like Mercer is untouchable. smile


nice cherry pick on their best years and Mercer's worst. Mercers season last year was better then either of them had or will have
Feb. 18 at 1:12 p.m.
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Edited Feb. 18 at 1:24 p.m.
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nice cherry pick on their best years and Mercer's worst. Mercers season last year was better then either of them had or will have


Cherry picking? Stats for the current season are a perfectly valid comparison. Cherry picking is what you're doing... Taking just Mercer's best year in the past and acting like that's all that matters.

BTW 57 > 56 so no Mercer's best season was not better than Zacha has ever had or ever will have. Zacha is on a better team now but Mercer is on team that's ahead of Sharangovich's team now and Mercer's production is well behind Sharky's this year.

Regardless the point is the progression from Zach to Sharangovich to Mercer. Similar middle 6 players in the same situation stuck behind Hischier and Hughes at their natural position.
Feb. 18 at 1:26 p.m.
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Quoting: MoxNix
Cherry picking? Stats for the current season are a perfectly valid comparison. Cherry picking would be taking just Mercer's best year in the past and acting like that's all that matters.

Regardless the point is the progression from Zach to Sharangovich to Mercer. Similar middle 6 players in the same situation stuck behind Hischier and Hughes at their natural position.


That's my bad those stats literally look like their stat line from the 2021 shortened season that's on me but regardless Mercer is 22 they both are in their mid 20s in their primes not comparable
Feb. 18 at 3:50 p.m.
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That's my bad those stats literally look like their stat line from the 2021 shortened season that's on me but regardless Mercer is 22 they both are in their mid 20s in their primes not comparable


And the Devils team during their primes wasn't comparable to the Devils team now either. How many PPG is that difference worth? .02, .04, more? Mercer's career PPG is barely .02 and .04 PPG better in spite of playing for a better team with a lot more offensive talent. Offensive players aren't the Devils problem (unless you count having too many of them) but defense and goalies are.

You improve your teams weaknesses by trading from your strengths but if you want a top line/pair quality player you're not going to get him for a handful of late picks and players you don't want anymore... Funny how Seamus Casey is in every 2nd trade proposal from NJ fans lately. If he was even half as good as they like to pretend they wouldn't want to trade him at all. Mercer is better but more of the same, they figure if they keep insisting he's untouchable someone will believe it and overpay big. You're not fooling anyone who isn't a fool and certainly not any NHL GMs.

Edit: fixed a typo I meant .02 and .04 PPG not 2 and 4 PPG which would be insanely good.
Feb. 18 at 5:21 p.m.
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Quoting: MoxNix
And the Devils team during their primes wasn't comparable to the Devils team now either. How many PPG is that difference worth? .02, .04, more? Mercer's career PPG is barely .02 and .04 PPG better in spite of playing for a better team with a lot more offensive talent. Offensive players aren't the Devils problem (unless you count having too many of them) but defense and goalies are.

You improve your teams weaknesses by trading from your strengths but if you want a top line/pair quality player you're not going to get him for a handful of late picks and players you don't want anymore... Funny how Seamus Casey is in every 2nd trade proposal from NJ fans lately. If he was even half as good as they like to pretend they wouldn't want to trade him at all. Mercer is better but more of the same, they figure if they keep insisting he's untouchable someone will believe it and overpay big. You're not fooling anyone who isn't a fool and certainly not any NHL GMs.

Edit: fixed a typo I meant .02 and .04 PPG not 2 and 4 PPG which would be insanely good.


22 years old btw
 
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