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Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 22, 2024
Published: Feb. 22, 2024
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22$83,500,000$79,080,713$0$1,850,000$4,419,287
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$805,000$805,000
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Feb. 22 at 11:37 a.m.
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Pens counter offer:

Pens: Erik Karlsson (3 million Retained)

Ottowa: Norris, Brannstrom, 24 1st (OTT) 25 2nd (OTT) 25 3rd (OTT)
Feb. 22 at 11:47 a.m.
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Not remotely close for Saros, excluding the fact you'd have to pay to dump Korpisalo. Boucher doesn't move the needle, Nash has a lot of good young RW prospects. We don't need goalies so Sogaard doesn't help either.

Don't think these two are the best trade partners unless Ottawa would send someone like Greig the other way as the primary piece in the package.
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Feb. 22 at 11:55 a.m.
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Pens are better
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Pens decline solely because of the cap. In the offseason I'd do it but I'd have no interest in Kubalik. Norris is very interesting though
Feb. 22 at 12:21 p.m.
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Think the Preds pass.
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Feb. 22 at 12:41 p.m.
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OTT has no interest in EK at any price, they decline.

Remove Sogaard and add a 2026 2nd and OTT may think about it
Feb. 22 at 1:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Hynzy57
Pens counter offer:

Pens: Erik Karlsson (3 million Retained)

Ottowa: Norris, Brannstrom, 24 1st (OTT) 25 2nd (OTT) 25 3rd (OTT)

I didn't get the memo... Why is Karlsson suddenly worth much more than he was a few months ago?

and lol just saw that the Sens 2024 first was included in your crappy unrealistic offer Help\

Pens would take Norris for Karlsson straight up if it was offered because they must be dying inside to get younger.
Feb. 22 at 1:38 p.m.
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Not remotely close for Saros, excluding the fact you'd have to pay to dump Korpisalo. Boucher doesn't move the needle, Nash has a lot of good young RW prospects. We don't need goalies so Sogaard doesn't help either.

Don't think these two are the best trade partners unless Ottawa would send someone like Greig the other way as the primary piece in the package.

You might be right but also the package built there was quite random. Note that this trade wouldn't happen now as the Preds are in the playoffs race. And are they ready to go with Askarov with the starter? It seems a bit early but with Saros contract almost over, something has to happen.

What about

Korpisalo + Chychrun for Saros + Carrier

Of course, both teams would need to know if each player extends with them first.
Feb. 22 at 3:30 p.m.
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You might be right but also the package built there was quite random. Note that this trade wouldn't happen now as the Preds are in the playoffs race. And are they ready to go with Askarov with the starter? It seems a bit early but with Saros contract almost over, something has to happen.

What about

Korpisalo + Chychrun for Saros + Carrier

Of course, both teams would need to know if each player extends with them first.


In my eyes, Chychrun is a great player, but is a bad fit for Nashville because he's another lefty and his contract expires before McDonagh comes off the books.

So I don't think he makes sense in a trade for Saros. We need a top RD and high end forward talent. Chychrun isn't the player that's gonna save this team, and again the Korpisalo contract is a buyout waiting to happen. So it's Saros and Carrier for Chychrun. Carrier has more value than you think and I personally think Saros has more value than Chychrun. It just doesn't make sense to me to try and acquire a defenseman who is going to need a new contract, probably for 6+ mil, and not get any futures that really line up with what Nashville is lacking. If the Sens trade Chychrun separately and then take the futures from that trade to get Saros, then I could see something materializing between these teams. But right now they just don't have the right pieces
Feb. 22 at 3:52 p.m.
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Ottawa should pass on EK , they need a RD who can be a shutdown guy.
I doubt Staios is prepared to pay Saros asking price on an extension.
Feb. 27 at 3:57 p.m.
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In my eyes, Chychrun is a great player, but is a bad fit for Nashville because he's another lefty and his contract expires before McDonagh comes off the books.

So I don't think he makes sense in a trade for Saros. We need a top RD and high end forward talent. Chychrun isn't the player that's gonna save this team, and again the Korpisalo contract is a buyout waiting to happen. So it's Saros and Carrier for Chychrun. Carrier has more value than you think and I personally think Saros has more value than Chychrun. It just doesn't make sense to me to try and acquire a defenseman who is going to need a new contract, probably for 6+ mil, and not get any futures that really line up with what Nashville is lacking. If the Sens trade Chychrun separately and then take the futures from that trade to get Saros, then I could see something materializing between these teams. But right now they just don't have the right pieces

I don't think a goalie would have more value than a 25 y/o Top pairing D-man. Chychrun was worth 12th OA pick and two 2nds just a year ago. Can't remember the last time a goalie was worth that much in a trade

But if Nashville doesn't really need Chychrun, I can't understand why the proposal wouldn't be interesting. Maybe Nashville would be looking for futures only
Feb. 27 at 4:20 p.m.
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I don't think a goalie would have more value than a 25 y/o Top pairing D-man. Chychrun was worth 12th OA pick and two 2nds just a year ago. Can't remember the last time a goalie was worth that much in a trade

But if Nashville doesn't really need Chychrun, I can't understand why the proposal wouldn't be interesting. Maybe Nashville would be looking for futures only


Not to say Chychrun isn't a good dman or valuable, but other than putting up points consistently he doesn't have great metrics and he's not a true top pairing dman. Even in Arizona he was getting easy matchups which made him look better, which is way his trade value was so high. He's a top 4 guy but weak defensively 5 on 5 and again not the player Nashville would need or want. I already said Nashville would want more futures. I didn't say it wasn't interesting, but it was a bad fit with the contracts Nashville has when Chychrun is going to need a new contract.

So I do think Saros has more value, but part of that is because Chychrun's perceived value has gone down because of his poor defensive play being a go to guy in the top 4 in Ottawa.
Mar. 1 at 11:38 a.m.
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Not to say Chychrun isn't a good dman or valuable, but other than putting up points consistently he doesn't have great metrics and he's not a true top pairing dman. Even in Arizona he was getting easy matchups which made him look better, which is way his trade value was so high. He's a top 4 guy but weak defensively 5 on 5 and again not the player Nashville would need or want. I already said Nashville would want more futures. I didn't say it wasn't interesting, but it was a bad fit with the contracts Nashville has when Chychrun is going to need a new contract.

So I do think Saros has more value, but part of that is because Chychrun's perceived value has gone down because of his poor defensive play being a go to guy in the top 4 in Ottawa.

Yes Chychrun might have been overrated by some but he's been ranked fairly high among NHL D-men at an early age. I understand you are not looking to make that type of deal but I was simply arguing the "I personally think Saros has more value than Chychrun". I agree with pretty much all the rest

Note that both Saros and Chychrun are not having their best seasons too.
Mar. 1 at 1:00 p.m.
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Yes Chychrun might have been overrated by some but he's been ranked fairly high among NHL D-men at an early age. I understand you are not looking to make that type of deal but I was simply arguing the "I personally think Saros has more value than Chychrun". I agree with pretty much all the rest

Note that both Saros and Chychrun are not having their best seasons too.


I understand he's been highly ranked and overrated. That's why I'm pointing out his poor performance saying he's not worth what was paid for him and not worth a return that Saros might garner.

My argument was not supposed to be an opinionated argument. I was trying to point out that Chychrun this year is closer to a 3-4 Offensive dman because he's been exposed playing top pairing minutes, and not worth the price of a starting goalie. And while saros isn't having his best year, his performance can also be attributed to poor team play in front of him. If you check his more recent games he's performing admirably and righting the ship on statistics and bringing them back to what we've seen from him before. Where as Chychrun has stayed the same offensively but continually let his team down with poor defensive performance.

So the point I was trying to make is Chychrun isn't a top pairing dman, wasn't worth paying 12th OA and two seconds to get, and certainly isn't worth close to that value now. You all paid for what you thought was a top pairing guy, but all you got a nice 5v5 Offensive dman who probably tops out playing on the second pair. But he is by no means a top pairing D or worth the value of a Vezina caliber goaltender even in a down season
Mar. 4 at 7:06 p.m.
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I understand he's been highly ranked and overrated. That's why I'm pointing out his poor performance saying he's not worth what was paid for him and not worth a return that Saros might garner.

My argument was not supposed to be an opinionated argument. I was trying to point out that Chychrun this year is closer to a 3-4 Offensive dman because he's been exposed playing top pairing minutes, and not worth the price of a starting goalie. And while saros isn't having his best year, his performance can also be attributed to poor team play in front of him. If you check his more recent games he's performing admirably and righting the ship on statistics and bringing them back to what we've seen from him before. Where as Chychrun has stayed the same offensively but continually let his team down with poor defensive performance.

So the point I was trying to make is Chychrun isn't a top pairing dman, wasn't worth paying 12th OA and two seconds to get, and certainly isn't worth close to that value now. You all paid for what you thought was a top pairing guy, but all you got a nice 5v5 Offensive dman who probably tops out playing on the second pair. But he is by no means a top pairing D or worth the value of a Vezina caliber goaltender even in a down season

It would be doubtful to see Saros return the kind of return that Chychrun did, he's a goalie after all. Even if overrated and a down season, Chychrun should still have plenty of value. Hard to see a goalie having more value

He's not an offensive D-man, he has been a 2-way D-man all his career but defense in Ottawa is hard because it has been a mess under DJ Smith for so long. Chychrun has been affected by that like many other players on the team. JM who doesn't want a coaching job has been working on rectifying that and it partially worked so far. It's a long process that will take more than a few weeks

Not sure why you say "Chychrun this year is closer to a 3-4 Offensive dman because he's been exposed playing top pairing minutes". I mean, he has been leading the Coyotes in TOI/GP since 2020-21 when he was 22 y/o...
Mar. 5 at 10:28 a.m.
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It would be doubtful to see Saros return the kind of return that Chychrun did, he's a goalie after all. Even if overrated and a down season, Chychrun should still have plenty of value. Hard to see a goalie having more value

He's not an offensive D-man, he has been a 2-way D-man all his career but defense in Ottawa is hard because it has been a mess under DJ Smith for so long. Chychrun has been affected by that like many other players on the team. JM who doesn't want a coaching job has been working on rectifying that and it partially worked so far. It's a long process that will take more than a few weeks

Not sure why you say "Chychrun this year is closer to a 3-4 Offensive dman because he's been exposed playing top pairing minutes". I mean, he has been leading the Coyotes in TOI/GP since 2020-21 when he was 22 y/o...


I'm not saying Saros would get the return Chychrun did when Ottawa traded for him, but I am saying he currently has more value than Chychrun. But I'm also not saying Chychrun doesn't have value. Whether or not you think a goalie has more value, most teams would rather have a top 10 goalie than a defenseman who is probably not even top 50.

I said he was getting exposed playing top minutes because he's playing top pairing matchups too. Chychrun those years on the Coyotes was getting favorable matchups and not playing against their top lines. He also played on the power play, so yeah he had a lot of extra time on the ice. His play this year definitely points to him being an offensive guy. Until he corrects his defensive numbers my statement stands as true.

I don't get what is so confusing about my statement, I said this year, his Coyotes tenure doesn't apply to that statement. If any team traded for Chychrun and they were a true contender he'd be playing on the 2nd pair and getting favorable o zone deployment.

I'm not saying he's a bad player, but Saros has more value. Until Chychrun proves he can be a true top pairing guy then Saros has more value.
Mar. 5 at 2:31 p.m.
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I'm not saying Saros would get the return Chychrun did when Ottawa traded for him, but I am saying he currently has more value than Chychrun. But I'm also not saying Chychrun doesn't have value. Whether or not you think a goalie has more value, most teams would rather have a top 10 goalie than a defenseman who is probably not even top 50.

I said he was getting exposed playing top minutes because he's playing top pairing matchups too. Chychrun those years on the Coyotes was getting favorable matchups and not playing against their top lines. He also played on the power play, so yeah he had a lot of extra time on the ice. His play this year definitely points to him being an offensive guy. Until he corrects his defensive numbers my statement stands as true.

I don't get what is so confusing about my statement, I said this year, his Coyotes tenure doesn't apply to that statement. If any team traded for Chychrun and they were a true contender he'd be playing on the 2nd pair and getting favorable o zone deployment.

I'm not saying he's a bad player, but Saros has more value. Until Chychrun proves he can be a true top pairing guy then Saros has more value.

ok, we'll have to agree to disagree on some of that

Agree on "this year", I somehow missed it
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Mar. 5 at 3:00 p.m.
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ok, we'll have to agree to disagree on some of that

Agree on "this year", I somehow missed it


I can live with that. People value things differently and that's okay. Agree to disagree.
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