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Team: 2023-24 St. Louis Blues
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 23, 2024
Published: Feb. 23, 2024
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3-way trade between PIT, OTT, and STL might need be off-season trade.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$950,000
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. Krug, Torey
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (TOR)
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (STL)
2.
OTT
  1. Karlsson, Erik ($2,000,000 retained)
3.
EDM
  1. Buchnevich, Pavel ($2,900,000 retained)
  2. Sundqvist, Oskar
4.
STL
  1. Robertson, Matthew
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Alexandrov, Nikita
  2. Scandella, Marco ($1,637,500 retained)
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (NYR)
5.
STL
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  1. Vrána, Jakub
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anywhere
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2024
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2025
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2026
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22$83,500,000$82,822,678$20,000$1,932,500$677,322
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$835,833$835,833
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$8,125,000$8,125,000
C, RW
UFA - 8
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$950,000$950,000
RW, C
RFA
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
LW
RFA - 3
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$7,950,000$7,950,000
C
UFA - 7
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$8,125,000$8,125,000
RW
UFA - 8
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$650,000$650K)
LW, C
RFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,571,429$3,571,429
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 7
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 4
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 4
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$775,000$775,000
G
RFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LD
RFA - 1
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$883,750$883,750
RD
RFA - 1
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$797,500$797,500 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
LD
RFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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$800,000$800,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$3,200,000$3,200,000 ($2,050,000$2M$2,050,000$2M)
RW
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW, RW
UFA - 1

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Feb. 23 at 11:33 a.m.
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Love the thread title to death. Not feeling the trades at all.
Feb. 23 at 11:35 a.m.
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1) The Pens, nor does any team, want part of Krug or his contract. I'd rather EK than Krug's contract. EK >>>> Krug and it's not even close. Despite what some dumb Pens fans may think, EK has been delivering for the Pens; just not on the PP.

2) Dubas, in his presser, made it very clear that he's not touching the core and he included EK in the core, so for better or worse, EK will likely retire a Penguin.

3) Moving EK for an LHD creates a massive gap on the right side since Ruhwedel is our next best RHD and a logjam on the left side.

It really makes no sense for the Pens. Only the Blues.
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Feb. 23 at 11:38 a.m.
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Didn't Krug say he wouldn't waive for any team except Detroit just last offseason when Briere tried to acquire him? I doubt Karlsson is going to waive for one mediocre team in PIT to another in STL. Karlsson explicitly waived his NMC so he could play in the postseason before he is aged out. Next time he waives his NMC it will be for a perennial playoff team- not another pretender like STL or PIT.
Feb. 23 at 11:50 a.m.
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Still don’t understand why the Canes are always the ‘anywhere’ team. It’s easier to just leave as Anaheim or the last team you clicked on.
Feb. 23 at 11:51 a.m.
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That Rangers deal doesn’t do anything for NY, Scandella has been pretty awful playing against bottom-six competition.
Feb. 23 at 11:52 a.m.
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Quoting: jfkst1
Didn't Krug say he wouldn't waive for any team except Detroit just last offseason when Briere tried to acquire him? I doubt Karlsson is going to waive for one mediocre team in PIT to another in STL. Karlsson explicitly waived his NMC so he could play in the postseason before he is aged out. Next time he waives his NMC it will be for a perennial playoff team- not another pretender like STL or PIT.


No he never said that. Every insider this week has suggested EK back to OTT. They are much more likely to have success in the postseason in the near future than PITT at this point.
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1) The Pens, nor does any team, want part of Krug or his contract. I'd rather EK than Krug's contract. EK >>>> Krug and it's not even close. Despite what some dumb Pens fans may think, EK has been delivering for the Pens; just not on the PP.

2) Dubas, in his presser, made it very clear that he's not touching the core and he included EK in the core, so for better or worse, EK will likely retire a Penguin.

3) Moving EK for an LHD creates a massive gap on the right side since Ruhwedel is our next best RHD and a logjam on the left side.

It really makes no sense for the Pens. Only the Blues.


Every insider this week has been suggesting at EK back to OTT and PITT requiring a rebuild. This saves you $4M in cap and gives you two 2nd round picks. Not saying it's great, but moving EK would be harder than you think. I also don't buy what Dubas said nor did Elliott Friedman, Frank Seravelli, or Chris Johnston regarding Karlsson.
Feb. 23 at 11:56 a.m.
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No he never said that. Every insider this week has suggested EK back to OTT. They are much more likely to have success in the postseason in the near future than PITT at this point.

Every insider this week has been suggesting at EK back to OTT and PITT requiring a rebuild. This saves you $4M in cap and gives you two 2nd round picks. Not saying it's great, but moving EK would be harder than you think. I also don't buy what Dubas said nor did Elliott Friedman, Frank Seravelli, or Chris Johnston regarding Karlsson.


Krug 100% blocked a trade to Philly which is considered a desirable org. to play for. Zero reason to think he would waive for PIT. This deal would ONLY make any sense if Dubas is fully rebuilding. And not sure what Karlsson going to OTT has to do with STL other than both being pretender status teams. Except OTT is obviously on the upswing- or should be- and STL is stuck in neutral like PIT.
Feb. 23 at 11:59 a.m.
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Krug 100% blocked a trade to Philly which is considered a desirable org. to play for. Zero reason to think he would waive for PIT. This deal would ONLY make any sense if Dubas is fully rebuilding. And not sure what Karlsson going to OTT has to do with STL other than both being pretender status teams. Except OTT is obviously on the upswing- or should be- and STL is stuck in neutral like PIT.


Well aware he blocked a trade to Philly. Doubt he would block a trade to PITT. The Blues are retaining on this trade to get Karlsson to OTT and are getting Norris in return. Learn how to read how capfriendly works...
Feb. 23 at 11:59 a.m.
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No he never said that. Every insider this week has suggested EK back to OTT. They are much more likely to have success in the postseason in the near future than PITT at this point.

Every insider this week has been suggesting at EK back to OTT and PITT requiring a rebuild. This saves you $4M in cap and gives you two 2nd round picks. Not saying it's great, but moving EK would be harder than you think. I also don't buy what Dubas said nor did Elliott Friedman, Frank Seravelli, or Chris Johnston regarding Karlsson.


1) Show me the links to these insiders.
2) I'm going to buy what Dubas is saying over people who are not part of the team.
3) Your trade proposal is still ridiculous and only makes sense for the Blues, not the Pens. They pay the blues to take EK and receive a considerably worse player to save a few dollars? Nope. With the cap going up, his contract is less of an issue and still a much better player.

Nobody wants Krug, sorry.
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Feb. 23 at 12:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
1) Show me the links to these insiders.
2) I'm going to buy what Dubas is saying over people who are not part of the team.
3) Your trade proposal is still ridiculous and only makes sense for the Blues, not the Pens. They pay the blues to take EK and receive a considerably worse player to save a few dollars? Nope. With the cap going up, his contract is less of an issue and still a much better player.

Nobody wants Krug, sorry.


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/32-thoughts-will-kyle-dubas-shake-up-the-pittsburgh-penguins/
Feb. 23 at 12:05 p.m.
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/32-thoughts-will-kyle-dubas-shake-up-the-pittsburgh-penguins/


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2. Please recognize that this is manifesting purely in my head. But, as I watch Daniel Alfredsson on the bench in Ottawa, I can’t help but wonder if the Senators consider a Karlsson reunion. At least, brainstorm it. Yes, it’s complicated and yes, everyone would have to be on board. But no one mind-melds with Karlsson like Alfredsson, and, since it got into my head, I can’t stop thinking about the possibility of it.


Note the bold part. So again, your trade idea is absolutely ridiculous. I love how "all these insiders" turns into one guy who literally says it's manifesting entirely in his head lol

I'll say it again, nobody wants Krug. You may get something for him when he's a rental if you're lucky.
Feb. 23 at 12:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
Note the bold part. So again, your trade idea is absolutely ridiculous. I love how "all these insiders" turns into one guy who literally says it's manifesting entirely in his head lol


Johnston and Seravelli also mentioned on their podcasts regarding EK moving. Yes it probably won't happen, but they also all happened to mention this week that the Blues might be looking to move Buchnevich but it will be "a heavy price". This has been known for weeks/months, but they don't just all universally say the same thing in the same week without some context to it usually.
Feb. 23 at 12:13 p.m.
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That Rangers deal doesn’t do anything for NY, Scandella has been pretty awful playing against bottom-six competition.


Scandella is a reliable bottom pair defensmen with playoff experience that teams trade for all of the time at the deadline. Alexandrov would also play center for your team in bottom 6.
Feb. 23 at 12:15 p.m.
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Johnston and Seravelli also mentioned on their podcasts regarding EK moving. Yes it probably won't happen, but they also all happened to mention this week that the Blues might be looking to move Buchnevich but it will be "a heavy price". This has been known for weeks/months, but they don't just all universally say the same thing in the same week without some context to it usually.


So I heard Seravalli and it's literally the same level of "what if" that Freidman did. There's literally nothing to it other than Dubas considering some kind of shakeup, so you can't possibly say you accept Dubas' saying that, but then dismiss him saying EK is part of the core he's not touching. When you do that, you're literally just framing the narrative to fit your trade idea when it makes no sense.

The only way Krug gets moved if the following:
1) Blues pay a team to take him
2) Buy out
3) Moved at the deadline the year he's a rental

Just follow the logic... Dubas isn't rebuilding yet. He's planning on making the team younger, building a team he believes can compete, so paying a team in futures he wants to use to make this team younger so he can downgrade on defense makes no sense.
Feb. 23 at 12:31 p.m.
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Still don’t understand why the Canes are always the ‘anywhere’ team. It’s easier to just leave as Anaheim or the last team you clicked on.


Well I started to feel bad for click baited ANA fans 😂😭
Feb. 23 at 12:33 p.m.
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Get that, so I guess the next logical thing is scrolling down 5-6 teams to get to Carolina…or we are just on the top of everyone’s minds 🤔

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Well I started to feel bad for click baited ANA fans 😂😭
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Feb. 23 at 12:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
So I heard Seravalli and it's literally the same level of "what if" that Freidman did. There's literally nothing to it other than Dubas considering some kind of shakeup, so you can't possibly say you accept Dubas' saying that, but then dismiss him saying EK is part of the core he's not touching. When you do that, you're literally just framing the narrative to fit your trade idea when it makes no sense.

The only way Krug gets moved if the following:
1) Blues pay a team to take him
2) Buy out
3) Moved at the deadline the year he's a rental

Just follow the logic... Dubas isn't rebuilding yet. He's planning on making the team younger, building a team he believes can compete, so paying a team in futures he wants to use to make this team younger so he can downgrade on defense makes no sense.


In this trade, the Pens are getting futures and $4m in much needed cap space to sign Crosby/Guentzel. Fine if hate it. Website is meant to just mess around.
Feb. 23 at 12:37 p.m.
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Get that, so I guess the next logical thing is scrolling down 5-6 teams to get to Carolina…or we are just on the top of everyone’s minds 🤔


Not really because your fans on this website are probably the most homer when it comes to their own prospects so most don’t bother anymore. Blues fans on here are also pretty homer so not taking shot
Feb. 23 at 12:48 p.m.
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I agree here BTW, think I have half the ‘canes fans’ on here blocked. I comment on Canes stuff, and try to also look at other teams posts too. I’m sure I’m a homer also, but try to be objective.

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Not really because your fans on this website are probably the most homer when it comes to their own prospects so most don’t bother anymore. Blues fans on here are also pretty homer so not taking shot
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Feb. 23 at 12:50 p.m.
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That's too much for Edmonton to give up for Buchnevich. He doesn't score as much as Foegele at 5v5 either, so they're actually getting slightly worse offensively while giving up all their best trade assets.
Feb. 23 at 12:53 p.m.
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Scandella is a reliable bottom pair defensmen with playoff experience that teams trade for all of the time at the deadline. Alexandrov would also play center for your team in bottom 6.


Scandella is probably worth a mid/late-round pick, and the only spot that Alexandrov would fit in would be at the fourth line, since he wouldn’t be an improvement over Brodzinski on the third line. The Rangers could do a lot better packaging their second with Robertson.
Feb. 23 at 12:54 p.m.
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That's too much for Edmonton to give up for Buchnevich. He doesn't score as much as Foegele at 5v5 either, so they're actually getting slightly worse offensively while giving up all their best trade assets.


Speaking of homers…

If Buchnevich played for Edm, he would be 3rd on your team in points. I’m not sure why I am even bothering responding to this. Also the Blues don’t want Foegele so if you have a way for the cap to work without him, I’m all ears.
Feb. 23 at 1:46 p.m.
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Speaking of homers…

If Buchnevich played for Edm, he would be 3rd on your team in points. I’m not sure why I am even bothering responding to this. Also the Blues don’t want Foegele so if you have a way for the cap to work without him, I’m all ears.


Buchnevich v Foegele, 5v5 individual

It's funny how most people on this site think Foegele is an overpaid 3rd liner. A guy with first line production and a 3rd line cap hit is very valuable, not a "throw-in".
Feb. 23 at 2:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac555
Get that, so I guess the next logical thing is scrolling down 5-6 teams to get to Carolina…or we are just on the top of everyone’s minds 🤔


**** it lets scroll all the way down to Winnipeg, troll all 5 of those fans
Feb. 23 at 2:44 p.m.
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I can assure you that Foegele isn’t as good as his 5v5 numbers display. Saw first hand how offense goes to die on his stick for his Carolina years.

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Buchnevich v Foegele, 5v5 individual

It's funny how most people on this site think Foegele is an overpaid 3rd liner. A guy with first line production and a 3rd line cap hit is very valuable, not a "throw-in".
 
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