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EP40

Created by: Caniac2000
Team: 2023-24 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 25, 2024
Published: Feb. 25, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Accurate/Prorated
LTIR Enabled: No
Season Days: 192
Days Remaining: 53
Season Remaining: 28%
Projected Cap Hit Prior To Days Remaining Tooltip : $82,038,909
Description
This is ONLY in the event that Pettersson decides he does not want to sign an extension in Vancouver
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Morrow, Scott [Reserve List]
  2. Necas, Martin
  3. 2024 1st round pick (CAR)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (CAR)
  5. 2024 2nd round pick (PHI)
2.
CAR
  1. Barabanov, Alexander ($1,250,000 retained)
  2. Duclair, Anthony ($1,500,000 retained)
SJS
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (CAR)
  2. 2025 2nd round pick (CAR)
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$83,395,794$450,000$500,000$104,206
Prorated Cap Hit

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,500,000$1,242,188
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$8,460,250$2,335,382
C
UFA - 1
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$894,167$246,827 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
RW
RFA - 1
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$7,750,000$2,139,323
LW, RW
UFA - 6
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$7,350,000$2,028,906
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$5,400,000$1,490,625
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$1,500,000$414,063
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$4,820,000$1,330,521
C
UFA - 7
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$1,250,000$345,052
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$925,000$255,339
C
RFA - 1
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$2,900,000$800,521
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$762,500$210,482
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,300,000$1,463,021
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,280,000$1,457,500
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,400,000$938,542
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$7,750,000$2,139,323
LD
UFA - 2
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$4,025,000$1,111,068
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$2,000,000$552,083
G
UFA - 4
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$5,250,000$1,449,219
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,675,000$462,370
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$2,400,000$662,500
RW
NTC
UFA - 2
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$1,800,000$496,875
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$762,500$210,482
RD
UFA - 1

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Feb. 25 at 1:18 p.m.
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We can all blame Friedman for this. I bet he has a burner account here.
Feb. 25 at 1:18 p.m.
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That doesn’t get it done. Replace Morrow with one of Nikishin/Jarvis/Svech if you don’t want to get easily outbid
Feb. 25 at 1:21 p.m.
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pretty far off
Feb. 25 at 1:26 p.m.
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pretty far off


I disagree... Morrow is a future first-pairing kind of prospect, Necas puts up first-line numbers without the TOI, and the first a couple of seconds seem like fair compensation
Feb. 25 at 1:28 p.m.
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I disagree... Morrow is a future first-pairing kind of prospect, Necas puts up first-line numbers without the TOI, and the first a couple of seconds seem like fair compensation


they'll either want another nhl ready forward or those seconds have to be firsts
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Feb. 25 at 1:29 p.m.
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I don't think Scott Morrow is available. He's breaking Makar's records.
Feb. 25 at 1:29 p.m.
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Quoting: boltsfan71
they'll either want another nhl ready forward or those seconds have to be firsts


Okay so switch Morrow with Drury... that makes a lot more sense for the Canes tbh
Feb. 25 at 1:31 p.m.
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Okay so switch Morrow with Drury... that makes a lot more sense for the Canes tbh


no like on top of this package
Feb. 25 at 1:33 p.m.
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no like on top of this package


Your not gonna get two NHL players + a top prospect + 3 high-round picks... that's highway robbery... Tkachuk cost a whole hell of a lot less and he was in the exact same situation as Petterson

Necas+Drury+1st+2nd+2nd is a more than fair price for Petterson
Feb. 25 at 1:34 p.m.
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Your not gonna get two NHL players + a top prospect + 3 high-round picks... that's highway robbery... Tkachuk cost a whole hell of a lot less and he was in the exact same situation as Petterson


Canucks aren't giving up pettersson unless its an overpay
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Feb. 25 at 1:38 p.m.
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Canucks aren't giving up pettersson unless its an overpay


It isn't gonna matter if he doesn't want to play there... he could totally DeBrincat them
Feb. 25 at 1:40 p.m.
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It isn't gonna matter if he doesn't want to play there... he could totally DeBrincat them


other teams will pay more than this so either way it gets outbid
Feb. 25 at 3:02 p.m.
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Okay so switch Morrow with Drury... that makes a lot more sense for the Canes tbh


That’s even worse than the original offer which doesn’t get it done. You aren’t getting a borderline top 10 player in the league for a top 6 winger, bottom 6 center, late 1st, mid 2nd, and late 2nd. That easily gets outbid. Two of Nikishin/Jarvis/Necas/Svech would have to be included
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Feb. 25 at 3:13 p.m.
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That’s even worse than the original offer which doesn’t get it done. You aren’t getting a borderline top 10 player in the league for a top 6 winger, bottom 6 center, late 1st, mid 2nd, and late 2nd. That easily gets outbid. Two of Nikishin/Jarvis/Necas/Svech would have to be included


Two of Nikishin/Jarvis/Necas/Svech would have to be included... Are you smoking... EP40 is closer to Aho than he is to McDavid... it's probably going to be a top-6 peice, a top prospect or two (not named Nikishin) or another roster player, a couple of firsts, and a couple of seconds are a fair deal... the Hurricanes counter with Necas, Kouvinen, Nadeau/Blake, 2024 1st, 2024 2nd, 2025 1st, 2025 2nd
Feb. 25 at 3:19 p.m.
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Two of Nikishin/Jarvis/Necas/Svech would have to be included... Are you smoking... EP40 is closer to Aho than he is to McDavid... it's probably going to be a top-6 peice, a top prospect (not named Nikishin) or another roster player, a couple of firsts, and a couple of seconds are a fair deal


Aho is very good but not on Pettersson’s level. Pettersson is a borderline top 5 center, Aho is in the 11-15 range. If you want Pettersson it would be a very painful package to give up. You’re smoking if you think Necas, a late 1st, a bottom 6 forward, and two 2nds gets you a superstar player like Pettersson. 30 teams beat that offer
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Feb. 25 at 3:21 p.m.
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Aho is very good but not on Pettersson’s level. Pettersson is a borderline top 5 center, Aho is in the 11-15 range. If you want Pettersson it would be a very painful package to give up. You’re smoking if you think Necas, a late 1st, a bottom 6 forward, and two 2nds gets you a superstar player like Pettersson. 30 teams beat that offer


Petterson is more in the 6-8 range of centers depending on the year (I have him at 8th and Aho at 9th). Aho is more in the 9-10 Range considering he's a much more complete center than Point or Eichel. Hurricanes counter with Necas, Kouvinen, Nadeau/Blake, 2024 1st, 2024 2nd, 2025 1st, 2025 2nd.


1. McDavid
2. MacKinnon
3. Draisaitl
4. Matthews
5. Crosby
6. Barkov
7. Hughes
8. Petterson
9. Aho
10. Point
11. Eichel
Feb. 25 at 3:29 p.m.
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Quoting: seanrushton
Petterson is more in the 6-8 range of centers depending on the year (I have him at 8th and Aho at 9th). Aho is more in the 9-10 Range considering he's a much more complete center than Point or Eichel. Hurricanes counter with Necas, Kouvinen, Nadeau/Blake, 2024 1st, 2024 2nd, 2025 1st, 2025 2nd.


1. McDavid
2. Draistil
3. MacKinnon
4. Matthews
5. Crosby
6. Barkov
7. Hughes
8. Petterson
9. Aho
10. Point
11. Eichel


Draisaitl 2 is crazy imo

1. McDavid
2. MacKinnon
3. Matthews
4/5/6. Draisaitl/Pettersson/Hughes
7. Crosby
8. Barkov
9. Point
10. Eichel
11/12. Stutzle/Aho

Canucks still reject that offer. We need high quality if we move Pettersson. Not a bunch of late 1sts/late 2nds. If you aren’t willing to pay the price then another team would
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Feb. 25 at 3:33 p.m.
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Draisaitl 2 is crazy imo

1. McDavid
2. MacKinnon
3. Matthews
4/5/6. Draisaitl/Pettersson/Hughes
7. Crosby
8. Barkov
9. Point
10. Eichel
11/12. Stutzle/Aho

Canucks still reject that offer. We need high quality if we move Pettersson. Not a bunch of late 1sts/late 2nds. If you aren’t willing to pay the price then another team would


Which team do you think is going to give up multiple stars or A+ prospects for Petterson?

Having Pettersson/Hughes in the same tier as Drai is crazy. Crosby is still a top-5 center and having Point, Eichel and Stuztle over Aho is crazy (Stutzle looks a PPG player and doesn't have the defensive ability of Aho, Eichel can't stay healthy, and Point gets carried by Kucherov)
Feb. 25 at 3:48 p.m.
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Which team do you think is going to give up multiple stars or A+ prospects for Petterson?

Having Pettersson/Hughes in the same tier as Drai is crazy. Crosby is still a top-5 center and having Point, Eichel and Stuztle over Aho is crazy (Stutzle looks a PPG player and doesn't have the defensive ability of Aho, Eichel can't stay healthy, and Point gets carried by Kucherov)


Considering Tkachuk returned a 115 point winger, a top pair dman, and a 1st there will definitely be teams out there willing to give up multiple pieces of that level for Pettersson

Drai is awful defensively and benefits a lot from playing with McDavid. Hughes and Pettersson both put up 100+ points (or paced for it) with worse linemates and are both a lot better defensively (especially Pettersson)

Crosby is just outside for me, could definitely put him in the same tier as Drai/Petey/Hughes and I wouldn’t argue it

Eichel was the best player in the playoffs on a cup winning team, is a PPG player, and very underrated defensively (better than Aho there). I’m definitely taking him over Aho, but the injuries are a fair knock

Point has put up 50+ goals and 90+ points and has also been a monster in the playoffs. Sure he’s boosted by playing with Kucherov, which is why I have him lower than the guys directly above him. But you criticize Point for that while having Draisaitl as the second best center even though he plays with McDavid?

Aho isn’t that great defensively and Stutzle already has a higher single season goal and point total than him. Not that crazy to put Stutzle above
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Feb. 25 at 4:00 p.m.
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Quoting: mv21227
Considering Tkachuk returned a 115 point winger, a top pair dman, and a 1st there will definitely be teams out there willing to give up multiple pieces of that level for Pettersson

Drai is awful defensively and benefits a lot from playing with McDavid. Hughes and Pettersson both put up 100+ points (or paced for it) with worse linemates and are both a lot better defensively (especially Pettersson)

Crosby is just outside for me, could definitely put him in the same tier as Drai/Petey/Hughes and I wouldn’t argue it

Eichel was the best player in the playoffs on a cup winning team, is a PPG player, and very underrated defensively (better than Aho there). I’m definitely taking him over Aho, but the injuries are a fair knock

Point has put up 50+ goals and 90+ points and has also been a monster in the playoffs. Sure he’s boosted by playing with Kucherov, which is why I have him lower than the guys directly above him. But you criticize Point for that while having Draisaitl as the second best center even though he plays with McDavid?

Aho isn’t that great defensively and Stutzle already has a higher single season goal and point total than him. Not that crazy to put Stutzle above


"Drai is awful defensively and benefits a lot from playing with McDavid" - That's fair

"Eichel was the best player in the playoffs on a cup winning team, is a PPG player, and very underrated defensively (better than Aho there). I’m definitely taking him over Aho, but the injuries are a fair knock"- Aho's a very good defensive forward and can play shutdown minutes when he matches up better against the 1C than Jordan Staal (Like against the Devils Aho usually gets Hughes). Aho is also a very effective PKer. Aho has also had better production than Eichel almost every single year in the league while still being a very good two way forward

"Point has put up 50+ goals and 90+ points and has also been a monster in the playoffs. Sure he’s boosted by playing with Kucherov, which is why I have him lower than the guys directly above him. But you criticize Point for that while having Draisaitl as the second best center even though he plays with McDavid?"- Draisaitl more than holds his own without McDavid while Point gets caved in without Kucherov. Draisaitl has only played 250 minutes with McDavid at 5v5 while playing 500 minutes without him. Most of the time they are apart.

"Aho isn’t that great defensively and Stutzle already has a higher single season goal and point total than him. Not that crazy to put Stutzle above"- Yah one season where Stutzle has been better otherwise Aho has been better
Feb. 25 at 4:27 p.m.
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"Drai is awful defensively and benefits a lot from playing with McDavid" - That's fair

"Eichel was the best player in the playoffs on a cup winning team, is a PPG player, and very underrated defensively (better than Aho there). I’m definitely taking him over Aho, but the injuries are a fair knock"- Aho's a very good defensive forward and can play shutdown minutes when he matches up better against the 1C than Jordan Staal (Like against the Devils Aho usually gets Hughes). Aho is also a very effective PKer. Aho has also had better production than Eichel almost every single year in the league while still being a very good two way forward

"Point has put up 50+ goals and 90+ points and has also been a monster in the playoffs. Sure he’s boosted by playing with Kucherov, which is why I have him lower than the guys directly above him. But you criticize Point for that while having Draisaitl as the second best center even though he plays with McDavid?"- Draisaitl more than holds his own without McDavid while Point gets caved in without Kucherov. Draisaitl has only played 250 minutes with McDavid at 5v5 while playing 500 minutes without him. Most of the time they are apart.

"Aho isn’t that great defensively and Stutzle already has a higher single season goal and point total than him. Not that crazy to put Stutzle above"- Yah one season where Stutzle has been better otherwise Aho has been better


“Aho has also had better production than Eichel almost every single year in the league while still being a very good two way forward”- Better production by season
23/24: Aho
22/23: Eichel
21/22: Aho (Eichel injured)
20/21: Aho (Eichel injured)
19/20: Eichel
18/19: Eichel

Eichel is also a very good two way forward and plays the most PK minutes per game among forwards on Vegas and their PK is 11th in the league

“Point gets caved in without Kucherov.”- there’s not really a big enough sample size for a line he’s played on without Kucherov the last 2 seasons, but going back to 21/22 and 20/21 his most common lines without Kucherov mostly have good results

21/22
Palat-Point-Cirelli: 61.8 xGF%
Killorn-Point-Cirelli: 48.3 xGF%
Palat-Point-Stamkos: 52.1 xGF%

20/21
Palat-Stamkos-Point: 58 xGF%
Palat-Cirelli-Point: 53.6 xGF%
Palat-Point-Johnson: 56.5 xGF%
Palat-Point-Coleman: 57.9 xGF%

“Yah one season where Stutzle has been better otherwise Aho has been better”- I don’t think you should really expect 19 year old rookie/20 year old sophomore Stutzle to be better than 23/24 year old Aho who already had years of NHL experience. But then a 21 year old Stutzle had better numbers than Aho has had at any point in his career. Yes the numbers are down a bit this year but he should continue to improve and has a very good chance to be a 100+ point player in the future. Id take Stutzle slightly over Aho but it is very close
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Feb. 25 at 5:06 p.m.
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Canucks pass easily
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Feb. 25 at 5:56 p.m.
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Aho is very good but not on Pettersson’s level. Pettersson is a borderline top 5 center, Aho is in the 11-15 range. If you want Pettersson it would be a very painful package to give up. You’re smoking if you think Necas, a late 1st, a bottom 6 forward, and two 2nds gets you a superstar player like Pettersson. 30 teams beat that offer


Analytically, Sebastian Aho's actually better. I've said this before, I'd rather have Aho than EP40 because he's a fundamentally better player. And Aho is a top 10 center in the NHL, denying that is beyond insane
Feb. 25 at 6:10 p.m.
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Analytically, Sebastian Aho's actually better. I've said this before, I'd rather have Aho than EP40 because he's a fundamentally better player. And Aho is a top 10 center in the NHL, denying that is beyond insane


Saying Aho is better than Pettersson and that you’d rather have him is beyond insane. Pettersson is better offensively and better defensively. Up until this season he had been on a much worse team than Aho. Pettersson is a borderline top 5 center, Aho is just outside the top 10
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Feb. 25 at 10:22 p.m.
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Saying Aho is better than Pettersson and that you’d rather have him is beyond insane. Pettersson is better offensively and better defensively. Up until this season he had been on a much worse team than Aho. Pettersson is a borderline top 5 center, Aho is just outside the top 10


Aho > EP offensively... look beyond point totals. Aho's right there with EP. Both kind of 6-10 range C's. Not good enough for top 5, but definitely top 10.
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