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If I Had My Way

Created by: Anus_McLeod
Team: 2023-24 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 26, 2024
Published: Feb. 28, 2024
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I have gone down these roads before, but I think it works nicely when you put it all together.

I really like the Frost/Evans addition combo. Depth down the middle is no longer a concern. Frost may or may not be able to handle 2C at the level the team wants/needs, but he's an immediate improvement and hopefully a good long term piece as well. Meanwhile, Evans is a major upgrade at 4C. Do I wish he made a bit less money? Sure. But 3.8 total for the pair is very reasonable.

Kahkonen is my favorite target for backup goalie, as you can see from my ACGM history. I think the price is in the neighborhood with no retention, but we have yet to see what the goalie market is going to be like so who knows.

All of a sudden the forward group is deep. Not even sure who to scratch if everyone is healthy. And if Landy actually returns, they becomes an even tougher "problem" that I would absolutely love to have.
Trades
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MTL
  1. Ambrosio, Colby [Reserve List]
  2. Johansen, Ryan
  3. 2026 2nd round pick (COL)
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SJS
  1. Prosvetov, Ivan
  2. 2024 4th round pick (COL)
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PHI
  1. 2024 1st round pick (COL)
  2. 2025 3rd round pick (COL)
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2024
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2026
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23$83,500,000$82,971,250$637,500$0$528,750
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$825,000$825,000
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$12,600,000$12,600,000
C
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
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UFA - 4
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
C
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$6,125,000$6,125,000
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UFA - 7
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$825,000$825,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
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$896,250$896,250
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RFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW
UFA - 6
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 2
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
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UFA - 2
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$825,000$825,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
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UFA - 4
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
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UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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UFA - 4
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$3,850,000$3,850,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$987,500$987,500
LD/RD, LW
UFA - 1
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 6
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$775,000$775,000
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UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0)
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0)
RW, C
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0)
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UFA - 1

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Feb. 28 at 12:16 p.m.
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I really do like frost, hope this is an option
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Feb. 28 at 12:21 p.m.
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I’d pay even more for Frost if needed.
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Feb. 28 at 12:23 p.m.
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I’d pay even more for Frost if needed.


I imagine they'd want more; he's young and cost-controlled so he has a lot of value and the Flyers don't need to trade him which means they'd ask for quite a bit. Still not sure he's a 2C, though.
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Feb. 28 at 12:26 p.m.
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Well, that means Drouin is gone next year as they only have $9M to sign about 5 more players and leave space for call-ups. Also means you have all three of Frost, Mikko and Bo up for new deals starting this July; how do you plan on managing that?
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Feb. 28 at 12:26 p.m.
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I imagine they'd want more; he's young and cost-controlled so he has a lot of value and the Flyers don't need to trade him which means they'd ask for quite a bit. Still not sure he's a 2C, though.

I’d be more than happy to roll that dice with Nichushkin and Lehkonen as his wingers.
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Feb. 28 at 12:27 p.m.
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I’d be more than happy to roll that dice with Nichushkin and Lehkonen as his wingers.


How far are you willing to go? Another 1st? Ritchie? I wouldn't trade Bo, especially not in-season.
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Feb. 28 at 12:43 p.m.
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I think Johansen would likely cost a 2nd round pick just for MTL to take him, I feel there is no value here for Evans, so MTL declines. A deal could definitely work between the 2 teams though.
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Feb. 28 at 12:49 p.m.
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I'd move Frost for 2024 1st and Ritchie. Makes sense kinda since Ritchie won't be ready for a few years and COL needs a 2C/3C now. Kid is fast and electric; just erratic at times.
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Feb. 28 at 12:52 p.m.
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How far are you willing to go? Another 1st? Ritchie? I wouldn't trade Bo, especially not in-season.


Not Ritchie, not Bo but I’d go 1st, Behrens and another later pick or prospect ie Beaucage, Ranta who I think still can be a decent NHLer. I really think CMC told PHI they would do Byram for Frost and Gauthier and PHi wouldn’t do it
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Feb. 28 at 12:54 p.m.
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Quoting: Renegade_H
I'd move Frost for 2024 1st and Ritchie. Makes sense kinda since Ritchie won't be ready for a few years and COL needs a 2C/3C now. Kid is fast and electric; just erratic at times.


You aren’t getting Ritchie I’d do a lot of things but Ritchie isn’t one of them
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Feb. 28 at 12:55 p.m.
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I'd move Frost for 2024 1st and Ritchie. Makes sense kinda since Ritchie won't be ready for a few years and COL needs a 2C/3C now. Kid is fast and electric; just erratic at times.


A 1st and top prospect for a guy that isn't a proven quantity? No thanks
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Feb. 28 at 1:01 p.m.
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Well, that means Drouin is gone next year as they only have $9M to sign about 5 more players and leave space for call-ups. Also means you have all three of Frost, Mikko and Bo up for new deals starting this July; how do you plan on managing that?


I'm more than willing to figure out how to manage that when the time comes. Having too many good players and needing to trade someone for a nice return of futures is the exact problem GMs should strive to have.

Drouin was always a bridge back to Landy imo, so no surprise there.
Feb. 28 at 1:03 p.m.
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I think Johansen would likely cost a 2nd round pick just for MTL to take him, I feel there is no value here for Evans, so MTL declines. A deal could definitely work between the 2 teams though.


I disagree that the value isn't there. Evans is a nice player, but I certainly don't think he's worth a second. The only way to get there is by taking Johansen. And the hope there would be that Johansen plays well enough to flip him next year for at least another mid round pick.
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Feb. 28 at 1:06 p.m.
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I'd move Frost for 2024 1st and Ritchie. Makes sense kinda since Ritchie won't be ready for a few years and COL needs a 2C/3C now. Kid is fast and electric; just erratic at times.


I understand why you would ask for Ritchie, but he's a deal breaker for Colorado. If that means that Colorado doesn't have what Philly needs, then it may just be how it is.
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Feb. 28 at 1:07 p.m.
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I'm more than willing to figure out how to manage that when the time comes. Having too many good players and needing to trade someone for a nice return of futures is the exact problem GMs should strive to have.

Drouin was always a bridge back to Landy imo, so no surprise there.


Drouin has been a decent addition and a good fit; he has far exceeded my expectations. I was hoping they'd find a way to keep him but it probably isn't in the cards.

Not sure I agree about having "too many good players" and having to make trades for futures. They need those players because they have nobody to replace them with; if they lose any of their significant roster players (outside of Drouin, assuming Landy does return and is effective), they're worse off with no way to fill those holes adequately.
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Feb. 28 at 1:13 p.m.
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Quoting: Anus_McLeod
I understand why you would ask for Ritchie, but he's a deal breaker for Colorado. If that means that Colorado doesn't have what Philly needs, then it may just be how it is.


What if another prospect of the Flyers was heading your way?

1st and Ritchie
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Frost and Wade Allison/Elliot Desnoyers/Samu Tuomaala
Feb. 28 at 1:14 p.m.
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Drouin has been a decent addition and a good fit; he has far exceeded my expectations. I was hoping they'd find a way to keep him but it probably isn't in the cards.

Not sure I agree about having "too many good players" and having to make trades for futures. They need those players because they have nobody to replace them with; if they lose any of their significant roster players (outside of Drouin, assuming Landy does return and is effective), they're worse off with no way to fill those holes adequately.


I could see Drouin taking a team friendly deal to stay in Colorado.. they have effectively saved his career and he's been more than overpaid during his time in MTL. The guy already made bank.
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Feb. 28 at 1:18 p.m.
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Drouin has been a decent addition and a good fit; he has far exceeded my expectations. I was hoping they'd find a way to keep him but it probably isn't in the cards.

Not sure I agree about having "too many good players" and having to make trades for futures. They need those players because they have nobody to replace them with; if they lose any of their significant roster players (outside of Drouin, assuming Landy does return and is effective), they're worse off with no way to fill those holes adequately.


In two years, hopefully some of Ritchie, Gulyayev (can't recall his contract status), Behrens, Malinski, and whoever else might be ready to take on a larger roll, meaning someone like Girard, Frost, or even Bo can be moved. Which one goes is determined by who is ready to step in. That's the goal and how a team can stay competitive longer imo.
Feb. 28 at 1:32 p.m.
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Short and long term cap issues to negotiate there. Personally I'd pass on the Evans trade. Decent but that hole can be filled cheaply enough short and longer term. Moving RyJo out is necessary in this scenario but I think there would actually be more takers than most fans want to believe though the Avs may still have to pay to move him and get nothing in return. Frost is my second choice to Novak though it's possible neither the Flyers nor the Predators will want to move either one of them. The KK deal is solid enough and I'd go to a third there if necessary I think, especially as that would be available if Frost costs more, as I would expect. As others have said however...... Ritchie should be off the table.
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Feb. 28 at 1:46 p.m.
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What if another prospect of the Flyers was heading your way?

1st and Ritchie
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Frost and Wade Allison/Elliot Desnoyers/Samu Tuomaala


For me, Ritchie is just off the table except in very rare cases where it would be for an also young but more proven 2C. Frost is good, but I don't think his upside is high enough to justify it, even if other stuff was added.
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Feb. 28 at 1:53 p.m.
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What if another prospect of the Flyers was heading your way?

1st and Ritchie
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Frost and Wade Allison/Elliot Desnoyers/Samu Tuomaala


Ritchie is about as close to an 'untouchable' of a prospect as it gets with the Avs bar a move for a genuine 2C who is still comparatively young, cheap and has term or team control at the very least, basically a 'unicorn' (Eriksson Ek would be about the best example I could think of for a guy the Avs might hypothetically move Ritchie in a trade for along with other requisite pieces). I dislike the 'untouchable' tag immensely because it's massively overused for overhyped players but in this instance I think it's probably justified to a degree not only on talent but the dearth of said high level forward talent in the Avs farm system.
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Feb. 28 at 4:16 p.m.
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I disagree that the value isn't there. Evans is a nice player, but I certainly don't think he's worth a second. The only way to get there is by taking Johansen. And the hope there would be that Johansen plays well enough to flip him next year for at least another mid round pick.


Yeah honestly I'm not sure what Evans value would be but I'd like to see a bit more for it.

Hughes sort of fleeced Calgary in hindsight but taking Monahan's $6M cap hit was worth a 1st round pick, I think he'd push for at least a 2nd to take Johansen. So there'd have to be a little something in there for Evans I think, habs like him for what he is so I don't think they just throw him into a deal.

MTL could roll with Suzuki - Dach - Johansen - Dvorak next year, so it could definitely work as long as the value is there, I think it's just missing a little bit more.
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Feb. 28 at 4:54 p.m.
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Yeah honestly I'm not sure what Evans value would be but I'd like to see a bit more for it.

Hughes sort of fleeced Calgary in hindsight but taking Monahan's $6M cap hit was worth a 1st round pick, I think he'd push for at least a 2nd to take Johansen. So there'd have to be a little something in there for Evans I think, habs like him for what he is so I don't think they just throw him into a deal.

MTL could roll with Suzuki - Dach - Johansen - Dvorak next year, so it could definitely work as long as the value is there, I think it's just missing a little bit more.


Fair enough. Doesn't seem to be an insurmountable hurdle at least.
 
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