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If you want Jack

Created by: dgibb10
Team: 2023-24 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 29, 2024
Published: Feb. 29, 2024
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NJD
  1. Demko, Thatcher ($2,500,000 retained)
  2. Pettersson, Elias
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Price goes up in the offseason when the most valuable years of pettersson and demko are done and the least valuable remaining year of jack is done.
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23$83,500,000$74,667,500$422,500$5,482,500$8,832,500
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Feb. 29 at 11:30 a.m.
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Either that or you can extend Pettersson at whatever contract he gets and then retain down to 8 million AAV.
Feb. 29 at 11:38 a.m.
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I wouldn't trade Petterson for Hughes straight up.

Petterson is a much better player.
Feb. 29 at 11:39 a.m.
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The Canucks wouldn't even entertain that offer.
Feb. 29 at 11:40 a.m.
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I wouldn't trade Petterson for Hughes straight up.

Petterson is a much better player.


He's not. He's also going to cost 5 mill a year more
Feb. 29 at 11:41 a.m.
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The Canucks wouldn't even entertain that offer.


Perfect. NJD will keep the best contract in hockey then.
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Feb. 29 at 11:41 a.m.
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Perfect. NJD will keep the best contract in hockey then.


Hurray for Jersey.
Feb. 29 at 11:41 a.m.
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He's not. He's also going to cost 5 mill a year more


By what metric is Hughes better?

Also, I assume Petterson will want between 11 and 12 a year, not 13.
Feb. 29 at 11:42 a.m.
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Who is making Hughes trades? He's gotta be amongst the 5 least available players in the nhl
Feb. 29 at 11:42 a.m.
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Quoting: Victor24
By what metric is Hughes better?

Also, I assume Petterson will want between 11 and 12 a year, not 13.


The canucks have had an offer of 12 million dollars on the table for a while. If pettersson wanted between 11 and 12, he'd have signed already.
Feb. 29 at 11:43 a.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Who is making Hughes trades? He's gotta be amongst the 5 least available players in the nhl


Canucks fans. Ridiculously often. Consistently failing to understand the value of Jack Hughes contract
Feb. 29 at 11:43 a.m.
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Perfect. NJD will keep the best contract in hockey then.


That's a bold statement. I would say the best contract in hockey is McDavid.
Feb. 29 at 11:44 a.m.
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By what metric is Hughes better?

Also, I assume Petterson will want between 11 and 12 a year, not 13.


You said pettersson was much better.

He said that's not true and also mentioned salary difference.

I'll add in age difference too.

I'd say they are about as valuable when you don't include money.

When you include age, contract status and expected cost, Hughes is more valuable
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Feb. 29 at 11:44 a.m.
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The canucks have had an offer of 12 million dollars on the table for a while. If pettersson wanted between 11 and 12, he'd have signed already.


I mean, I don't live in anyone else's head so I can say for sure. What I can say is data, so what metric makes Hughes better than Pettersson?

This isn't a trap, I'm genuinely curious to your answer.
Feb. 29 at 11:45 a.m.
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Perfect. NJD will keep the best contract in hockey then.


For a few more years that barely belongs to his brother. But yeah Petey for Hughes bros needs to die its not plausible at all. NJ needs are legit No 1 goalie and health nothing Vancouver can trade away.
Feb. 29 at 11:45 a.m.
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I mean, I don't live in anyone else's head so I can say for sure. What I can say is data, so what metric makes Hughes better than Pettersson?

This isn't a trap, I'm genuinely curious to your answer.


He never said he was better. You said pettersson was "much better" he disagreed
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Feb. 29 at 11:46 a.m.
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That's a bold statement. I would say the best contract in hockey is McDavid.


McDavid has 12.5 mill x 3

Jack has 8x7

My personal valuations are approximately 16 mill for Jack over said term (again remember Jack is 22, improving, and that 8 mill AAV is only going to become a bigger and bigger bargain).

So 56 million in surplus value.

To match that over 3 years McDavid would have to provide 93.5 million dollars in total value. Or be worth 31 million dollars a year.

McDavid is excellent. He's not worth 31 million dollars a year
Feb. 29 at 11:48 a.m.
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McDavid has 12.5 mill x 3

Jack has 8x7

My personal valuations are approximately 16 mill for Jack over said term (again remember Jack is 22, improving, and that 8 mill AAV is only going to become a bigger and bigger bargain).

So 56 million in surplus value.

To match that over 3 years McDavid would have to provide 93.5 million dollars in total value. Or be worth 31 million dollars a year.

McDavid is excellent. He's not worth 31 million dollars a year


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Feb. 29 at 11:49 a.m.
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What do you disagree with? My valuation of Jack, or my valuation of McDavid (around 25 mill AAV)
Feb. 29 at 11:50 a.m.
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For a few more years that barely belongs to his brother. But yeah Petey for Hughes bros needs to die its not plausible at all. NJ needs are legit No 1 goalie and health nothing Vancouver can trade away.


I was talking about overall contracts including the value of the 7 years of term Jack has.
Feb. 29 at 11:58 a.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
You said pettersson was much better.

He said that's not true and also mentioned salary difference.

I'll add in age difference too.

I'd say they are about as valuable when you don't include money.

When you include age, contract status and expected cost, Hughes is more valuable


So let's look at the data (5v5 compared to forwards with 500+ min)
Pettersson:
Goals per 60: 0.97 (78th%)
Points per 60: 2.82 (98th%)
Corsi: 51% (59th%)
On Ice Expected Goals against per 60: 2.66 (38th%)
Shooting Talent Above Average: 30.2% (99th%)

Hughes:
Goals per 60: 0.88 (71st%)
Points per 60: 2.03 (72nd%)
Corsi: 57% (91st%)
On Ice Expected Goals against per 60: 2.56 (51st%)
Shooting Talent Above Average: 7.0 (69th%)

They are closer than I thought when you factor in possession. With that I redact the much from my statement but the data still shows Pettersson is better than Hughes.
Feb. 29 at 11:58 a.m.
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Quoting: dgibb10
McDavid has 12.5 mill x 3

Jack has 8x7

My personal valuations are approximately 16 mill for Jack over said term (again remember Jack is 22, improving, and that 8 mill AAV is only going to become a bigger and bigger bargain).

So 56 million in surplus value.

To match that over 3 years McDavid would have to provide 93.5 million dollars in total value. Or be worth 31 million dollars a year.

McDavid is excellent. He's not worth 31 million dollars a year


McDavid is worth 31 million per year or whatever surplus you want to compare him to Jack Hughes. I like Jack Hughes. But he can't hold McDavid's jock strap - few can.
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Feb. 29 at 12:01 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
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What do you disagree with? My valuation of Jack, or my valuation of McDavid (around 25 mill AAV)


You're assuming Jack gets better and better. You can't assume that. If they both play at the level they currently are, McDavid has a much better contract. He has the points / 60 of Hughes + Mercer.
Feb. 29 at 12:03 p.m.
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McDavid is worth 31 million per year or whatever surplus you want to compare him to Jack Hughes. I like Jack Hughes. But he can't hold McDavid's jock strap - few can.


McDavid and a veteran minimum/replacement level player or Jack Hughes and Elias Pettersson/Quinn Hughes/Adam Fox/Heiskanen/any player you want not named McDavid Makar Matthews or Mackinnon? Who would you rather have? I have McDavid as high as 25 mill (Jack Hughes+number 1 dman), I just think as good as he is, and I think he is the best hockey player in the world, there is a limit to what 1 player can provide.
Feb. 29 at 12:04 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
He never said he was better. You said pettersson was "much better" he disagreed


Totally fair and looking at their stats, I redact the much. Petterson is better but not much better.
Feb. 29 at 12:08 p.m.
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You're assuming Jack gets better and better. You can't assume that. If they both play at the level they currently are, McDavid has a much better contract. He has the points / 60 of Hughes + Mercer.


Based on the normal development curve jack should get better. it's a valid base of opinion for a 22 year old. Go look at the 21-22 year old numbers for all the leagues top superstars. Matthews, Mackinnon, McDavid, Makar. Then go look at Jacks production.

McDavid over the next 3 years will provide significantly more value than Jack. But then his contract ends.
You could make the argument (and this would only apply to McDavid and no other player in the league) that McDavid is worth more than the NHL maximum allowable salary of I believe what will be 20 mill when his conract expires, but then the problem with that is he can go anywhere. I can offer mcdavid the league maximum even if I don't trade for him. And it's tough to quantify the likilihood and value of a contract extension that cannot even begun to be negotiated for 2 years
 
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