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Created by: Matt1567
Team: 2024-25 St. Louis Blues
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 10, 2024
Published: Mar. 10, 2024
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  1. Chabot, Thomas
  2. Chychrun, Jakob
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*ONLY ONE OF THEM, NOT 1 FOR 1*
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  1. Parayko, Colton
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the sens have too many LD's, and rumors of chychrun being traded at the deadline didn't end up being true, but if they can't sign him to an extension this summer I would expect the rumors to come back, that being said, if they can extend him chabot feels like the odd man out, because Sanderson should be practically untouchable. The sens had interest in Tanev a few weeks before the deadline and I think Parayko is a similar player to Tanev. Obviously Parayko would have to approve of a trade to Ottawa, and this would make the sens older but I don't think the sens would want to rebuild again, and a deal like this could make some sense for them. As for St. Louis, they get out of what could become one of the worst contracts in the league depending on when Parayko regresses, and get a younger defenseman who's just as good if not better, which could help keep the team competitive and building more for the future in the process. I expect both teams to go into a bit of a retool this summer and this could be a deal that gets explored.
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19$87,000,000$79,020,595$0$412,500$7,979,405
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Mar. 10 at 4:22 p.m.
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You probably have better odds getting chychrun nut you'll probably have to add
Mar. 10 at 6:13 p.m.
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Blues decline

Whole point would be to get one of those to play with Parayko, but it wouldn’t be a one for one, if it’s Chycrun Sens would have to add since he’s a UFA
Mar. 10 at 7:21 p.m.
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It's not a crazy idea. It;s a horrible idea. Chych is a wildly overrated 2LD with one year to UFA. Hard pass. Chabot is has a terrible contract, barely defends and is injured 35-40% the time. Super mega heeeeeyellll naw.


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You probably have better odds getting chychrun nut you'll probably have to add


Whether Ottawa would expect the Blues to add or not, there's zero chance the Blues agree to swap six years of 1RD for one year of 2LD.
Mar. 10 at 9:11 p.m.
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Blues decline

Whole point would be to get one of those to play with Parayko, but it wouldn’t be a one for one, if it’s Chycrun Sens would have to add since he’s a UFA


he's got a year on his deal
Mar. 10 at 11:21 p.m.
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he's got a year on his deal


The trade deadline is over mate
Mar. 10 at 11:33 p.m.
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The trade deadline is over mate


yes and he had another year on his deal still. do you need me to explain it to you further. do you understand the concept of contracts having another year yet
Mar. 11 at 10:02 a.m.
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Quoting: NYRxLundqvist
You probably have better odds getting chychrun nut you'll probably have to add


crazy how it says its not 1 for 1, its just an outline of a deal
Mar. 11 at 10:21 a.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
It's not a crazy idea. It;s a horrible idea. Chych is a wildly overrated 2LD with one year to UFA. Hard pass. Chabot is has a terrible contract, barely defends and is injured 35-40% the time. Super mega heeeeeyellll naw.




Whether Ottawa would expect the Blues to add or not, there's zero chance the Blues agree to swap six years of 1RD for one year of 2LD.


as someone who doesn't watch the sens I can't say for certain if chabot doesn't play defense or if chychrun is overrated, but looking at their advanced stats chabot is pretty good defensively, Chychrun is apparently the one who sucks at defense, while Chabot's offensive game has been bad this year. Not saying the numbers are everything but that's all I really have to go off of
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Mar. 11 at 10:31 a.m.
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as someone who doesn't watch the sens I can't say for certain if chabot doesn't play defense or if chychrun is overrated, but looking at their advanced stats chabot is pretty good defensively, Chychrun is apparently the one who sucks at defense, while Chabot's offensive game has been bad this year. Not saying the numbers are everything but that's all I really have to go off of


Chabot makes a lot of mistakes, both defensively and with bad turnovers. They've been leaking goals left and right since he came back from injury (and boy are there a lot of injuries). His contract is unappetizing. And yeah, Chych has been partially sheltered in Ottawa, and his results are still underwhelming. Plus he's a UFA next summer. Trading Colt for one of these guys = we're so screwed.
Mar. 11 at 11:54 a.m.
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Chychrun for Parayko ok (of course Blues do this if extension) but not Chabot.

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It's not a crazy idea. It;s a horrible idea. Chych is a wildly overrated 2LD with one year to UFA. Hard pass. Chabot is has a terrible contract, barely defends and is injured 35-40% the time. Super mega heeeeeyellll naw.

You often make these opinionated statements but do you have anything substantial that shows that Parayko is better? His metrics took a significant nosedive the last 3 years... both Chychrun and Chabot heavily outproduce Parayko year after year so there's that. Curious to read the digs.

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as someone who doesn't watch the sens I can't say for certain if chabot doesn't play defense or if chychrun is overrated, but looking at their advanced stats chabot is pretty good defensively, Chychrun is apparently the one who sucks at defense, while Chabot's offensive game has been bad this year. Not saying the numbers are everything but that's all I really have to go off of

It's because the average hockey fan doesn't even know what defense is. They still think transition is not part of "defending". Nothing to do but wait another decade for them to catch up on things, like I have always been waiting, it's been for "pace", "advanced stats", "2-way concept" and so many other things
Mar. 11 at 12:16 p.m.
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Quoting: Matt1567
crazy how it says its not 1 for 1, its just an outline of a deal


Are you bullying me because I can't read???? That's messed up
Mar. 11 at 12:41 p.m.
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Chychrun for Parayko ok (of course Blues do this if extension) but not Chabot.

You often make these opinionated statements but do you have anything substantial that shows that Parayko is better?

His metrics took a significant nosedive the last 3 years...

both Chychrun and Chabot heavily outproduce Parayko year after year so there's that. Curious to read the digs.


1 - No, they definitely do not.

2 - I never actually said anything about Parayko being "better". I constantly say he is desperately needed and thus not available. Straight "value" is far from the only consideration. The main issue is the type of Dman all three are. The Blues have no one to replace Parayko (who is also a beloved part of the community and the love is mutual). Neither of those LDs help that. It could be argued adding Chabot exacerbates the problem.

3 - Heh. Metrics. Translated: doesn't watch the player, relies only on 100% subjective formulas instead. Parayko is currently in the top 10, if not top 5 of a large array of individual counting stats (no formula required), but nobody ever mentions that. It's one thing to think analytics can replace watching the player, but it's just weird to ignore objective and individual stats because subjective on-ice numbers. On top of all that, Parayko's teammate level when he faces top lines (as always) is just sad right now. Leddy's been decent after being horrific last season, but now the dummies behind the bench think it's a smart idea to make him carry our 4th line out there, too. Metrics shmetrics. They're there to offer supporting context, not take over as gospel.

4 - By out produce I assume you mean points. And yes, they do outproduce him, which is easier to do when they get tons of PP time and he barely ever gets any. Last season, Parayko put up .8 points/60 at 5v5 - Chabot put up .6/60. Through the years, Chabot has only a slight edge in 5v5 P/60. And since arriving in Ottawa, Chych's P/60 is also down near Parayko's (this season it's .7/60 at 5v5, Chych's is .9/60.

And as you pointed out transition is a part of defense. It's also a part of offense, and Parayko is well ahead of both in transition numbers this season. He's been near elite. Same goes for pinching. Parayko does way more jobs than people relying on analytics realize. Of course, that's the problem with analytics - they aren't made to rely on.
Mar. 11 at 6:12 p.m.
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yes and he had another year on his deal still. do you need me to explain it to you further. do you understand the concept of contracts having another year yet


Never mind I guess I’m stupid as ****!
 
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