Making the trades for Burns Karlsson Meier and Hertl more fair

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Created by: sensonfire

Team: 2023-24 San Jose Sharks

Initial Creation Date: Mar. 10, 2024

Published: Mar. 10, 2024

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

1. Brent Burns

San Jose gets Carolina's 1st for 2023 in addition to what they got.

2. Erik Karlsson

San Jose gets two 2nds from Pittsburgh in addition to what they got and keeps Hamaliuk + their 2026 3rd.

3. Timo Meier

Simplify it.

Timo Meier for Shakir Mukhamadullin + New Jersey's 1st for 2023

If San Jose needs to take Johnsson AND retain on Meier, they get a 2nd that has a slight chance of turning into a 1st as well (i.e. whether the Devils made the ECF).

4. Tomas Hertl

A Jack Eichel-lite return, especially if there's retention on Hertl.

Trades

SJS

How to make the Brent Burns trade more fair ...

CAR

San Jose gets Carolina's 1st for 2023 in addition to what they got.

SJS

Nadeau, Bradly [Reserve List]

CAR

SJS

How to make the Erik Karlsson trade more fair ...

PIT

San Jose gets two 2nds from Pittsburgh in addition to what they got and keeps Hamaliuk + their 2026 3rd.

SJS

Hamaliuk, Dillon
2024 2nd round pick (PIT)
2026 2nd round pick (PIT)
2026 3rd round pick (SJS)

PIT

SJS

How to make the Timo Meier trade more fair ...

NJD

Simplify it.

Timo Meier for Shakir Mukhamadullin + New Jersey's 1st for 2023

If San Jose needs to take Johnsson AND retain on Meier, they also get a 2nd that has a slight chance of turning into a 1st as well (i.e. whether the Devils made the ECF).

SJS

Simek, Radim
2024 7th round pick (NJD)

DET

Kostin, Klim

SJS

Okhotiuk, Nikita

CGY

2024 5th round pick (CHI)

SJS

Hatakka, Santeri
2024 5th round pick (COL)

NJD

Okhotiuk, Nikita
Zetterlund, Fabian
2024 7th round pick (NJD)

SJS

How to make the Tomas Hertl trade more fair ...

VGK

An Eichel-lite return

Barbashev
Edstrom
2025 1st round pick (VGK)
2025 2nd round pick (VGK)

for

Hertl with retention
2025 3rd round pick (SJS)

10.

SJS

Barbashev, Ivan
2025 2nd round pick (VGK)

Additional Details:

2027 3rd round pick (SJS)

VGK

Buyouts

Martin Jones: $2,916,667
Rūdolfs Balcers: $308,334

Retained Salary Transactions

Brent Burns: $2,720,000 (34%)
Erik Karlsson: $1,500,000 (13.04%)
Tomas Hertl: $1,387,500 (17.05%)

Buried

Oskar Lindblom: $1,350,000 ($2,500,000)
Radim Simek: $1,100,000 ($2,250,000)
Nikolai Knyzhov: $100,000 ($1,250,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$83,500,000	$77,130,001	$25,000	$1,120,000	$6,369,999

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Barbashev, Ivan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 5	Granlund, Mikael $5,000,000$5,000,000 C, RW UFA - 2	Barabanov, Alexander $2,500,000$2,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1
Hoffman, Mike $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW UFA - 1	Eklund, William $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) LW RFA - 3	Labanc, Kevin $4,725,000$4,725,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Zadina, Filip $1,100,000$1,100,000 RW, LW RFA - 1	Bordeleau, Thomas $916,667$916,667 C, LW RFA - 1	Kunin, Luke $2,750,000$2,750,000 RW, C RFA - 1
Smith, Givani $800,000$800,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Sturm, Nico $2,000,000$2,000,000 C UFA - 2	Carpenter, Ryan $775,000$775,000 RW, C UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Ferraro, Mario $3,250,000$3,250,000 LD UFA - 3	Rutta, Jan $2,750,000$2,750,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Chrona, Magnus $867,500$867,500 ($57,500$58K) G RFA - 2
Thrun, Henry $912,500$912,500 ($212,500$212K) LD RFA - 1	Burroughs, Kyle $1,100,000$1,100,000 LD/RD UFA - 3	Cooley, Devin $775,000$775,000 G UFA - 1
Vlasic, Marc-Édouard $7,000,000$7,000,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Addison, Calen $825,000$825,000 RD RFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Bailey, Justin $775,000$775,000 RW UFA - 1	Couture, Logan $8,000,000$8,000,000 C M-NTC UFA - 4
MacDonald, Jacob $762,500$762,500 LD/RD UFA - 1	Vanecek, Vitek $3,400,000$3,400,000 G UFA - 2
	Blackwood, Mackenzie $2,350,000$2,350,000 G UFA - 2
	Benning, Matthew $1,250,000$1,250,000 RD UFA - 3
	Emberson, Ty $775,000$775,000 RD RFA - 1

Mar. 10 at 6:06 p.m.

yikes

EklundCelebriniSmith

Joined: Sep. 2019

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Adding Barbashev+2nd makes the trade unfair for Vegas

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Mar. 10 at 6:18 p.m.

sensonfire

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sensonfire

Joined: Feb. 2021

Posts: 11,871

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Quoting: yikes

Adding Barbashev+2nd makes the trade unfair for Vegas

How would you make it fair for both teams ?

Mar. 10 at 7:00 p.m.

NHLfan10506

Joined: May 2019

Posts: 40,237

Likes: 18,368

Hatakka was a throw-in on Meier deal…but you know what? We’re gonna keep him. He has looked pretty good thus far.

I think the simplified Meier deal would have been Holtz + pick.

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Mar. 10 at 7:04 p.m.

Letsgosharks

Joined: Feb. 2021

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Quoting: sensonfire

How would you make it fair for both teams ?

Honestly for me just no retention and no 3rds going the other way

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Mar. 10 at 7:05 p.m.

Letsgosharks

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Hatakka was a throw-in on Meier deal…but you know what? We’re gonna keep him. He has looked pretty good thus far.

I think the simplified Meier deal would have been Holtz + pick.

Would’ve loved holtz. Zetterlund is a solid piece and hopefully Musty and Muk pan out

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Mar. 10 at 7:07 p.m.

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: Letsgosharks

Would’ve loved holtz. Zetterlund is a solid piece and hopefully Musty and Muk pan out

Love Zettertank.

There was a period where he was on Hischier’s line and they were jiving, and many Devils fans thought he was going to be part of future.

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Mar. 10 at 7:18 p.m.

Letsgosharks

Joined: Feb. 2021

Posts: 1,036

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Love Zettertank.

There was a period where he was on Hischier’s line and they were jiving, and many Devils fans thought he was going to be part of future.

Yeah he’s on pace for 20 goals on the sharks which is about 90 goals on any contending team so that’s cool too!

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Mar. 11 at 12:17 a.m.

goodfella

Grierless Sharks Fan

Joined: Dec. 2017

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Hatakka was a throw-in on Meier deal…but you know what? We’re gonna keep him. He has looked pretty good thus far.

I think the simplified Meier deal would have been Holtz + pick.

I was the only one on here saying Meier for Holtz and the 23 1st.

Everyone else wanted what felt like both Hughes brothers or a 7th rounder in 26.

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Mar. 11 at 12:19 a.m.

goodfella

Grierless Sharks Fan

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I think a fair Hertl trade would have been not to.

Since he committed to the team, but apparently wanted out after we signed and overpaid him. Then he goes and screws us.
I don't know who to be more upset with, Hertl or Grier. The lack of transparency on the truth makes me hate them both.

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