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Team: 2024-25 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 11, 2024
Published: Mar. 12, 2024
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Re-sign Monahan and Toffoli with Full NMC the first 2 years and 10 team NTC the last year


2027 the year of the Hutsons
Lane will thrive in the NHL
Quinn will thrive in Laval with long term Winger Tuch hopefully with Beck as they'd make a good line stylistically
Cole will develop until 2027 maybe 2028 then join us a year after the Matheson Transition of Power

At this point in 2027-28
Hutson-Reinbacher
Guhle- Mailloux
Xhekaj-Kony(Captain Kony from the KHL had his GM confirm NHL is the plan after next year)

By this time Xhekaj's deal will be in its final year
we'll either be a contender who cant afford him or one that we dont have the minutes for.
Either way he'll be coming out of the rotation by then unless we have issues re-signing Guhle.

This would be the timeline Cole Hutson would be turning Pro in
for those worried about size he's 2 inches taller then his brother before his growth spurt and 13lbs heavier then his brother in his draft year. He's most likely going to end up 6
foot area 200lbs like his dad so size shouldnt be a worry just look at Struble who's that size

Why Bother?
If im Lane Hutson and my 2 brothers play for the Habs
Im taking less to ensure it stays that way and that works out to the GM's advantage

Tons of people matter but the Hutson Trio could turn into the most marketable set of players MTL has had that dont all lead the team.
Its a totally unique situation where each brother is so different but good that they could be 2nd ,5th and 12th in scoring
But still end up being the most popular players in MTL and possibly the League.

Until then MTL would look like in the post
While Laval would look like below

Heineman-Gignac-Mesar
Tuch-Beck-Q.Hutson
Farrel-Davidson-Kidney
Pitlcik-Kapanen- Perrault
Guindon

Trudeau-Mailloux
TBD Veteran or Norlinder-Reinbacher
Engstrom-Bisson
Sobolev

Dobes
Kaskisuo

When Cole Hutsons ready to join MTL we'll be in a position depth wise few will
With a skilled Dcore run on late 20 year olds with 22-26 year old D's coming in from NCAA/KHL/AHL
Thats not including whatever we draft from now til then that could effect change
Free Agent Signings
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2$950,000
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3$950,000
3$950,000
1$950,000
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4$2,250,000
2$975,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$4,250,000
3$4,750,000
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Hutson, Quinn
2$950,000
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1.
MTL
  1. Markström, Jacob ($3,000,000 retained)
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (CGY)
Additional Details:
MTL gets a True Tandem with Markstrom/Monty with Markstrom leaving the system with Monty as a true #1 just as Dobes in ready to come up. If Dobes develops faster we got Markstrom at 50% so we can RS and flip him with little to no effort avoiding another 3 goalie situation
CGY
  1. Harris, Jordan
  2. Matheson, Michael
Additional Details:
CGY gets a 25 Minute capable Dman with 46 pts and counting as well as a 22 year old top 4 LD prospect.
2.
MTL
  1. 2026 4th round pick (EDM)
3.
MTL
EDM
  1. Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël
Additional Details:
Waived and likely claimed
If not he will push Guindon out of the AHL and move Pitlick to the reserve as all the LW move down a line and RHP sits on top line.
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2024
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2025
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23$83,500,000$73,690,417$1,022,500$3,977,500$9,809,583
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 7
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA
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$3,362,500$3,362,500
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UFA - 3
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C, LW
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C, LW
UFA - 1
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Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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RD
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RD
UFA - 1
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LD
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Mar. 12 at 1:34 a.m.
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Brutal for Calgary
Mar. 12 at 1:43 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Brutal for Calgary


Really ? is it because you hate Matheson or over value the return a goalie gets in the NHL the last 20 years ?
I can do the long process and sell Matheson and Harris giving you the return from it which would give you a return bigger then Voukouns or close
But i figured CGY was investing in the next generation of Goaltenders after selling off a lot of their D that played big minutes
So i figured you'd see value in adding Defense thats playing above his Contracts expected Production by a lot and a 22 year old LD

Or is it something else im overlooking
Feed back is always helpful
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Mar. 12 at 1:51 a.m.
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Really ? is it because you hate Matheson or over value the return a goalie gets in the NHL the last 20 years ?
I can do the long process and sell Matheson and Harris giving you the return from it which would give you a return bigger then Voukouns or close
But i figured CGY was investing in the next generation of Goaltenders after selling off a lot of their D that played big minutes
So i figured you'd see value in adding Defense thats playing above his Contracts expected Production by a lot and a 22 year old LD

Or is it something else im overlooking
Feed back is always helpful
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Hate Matheson? No he's just not that good. Worth maybe 2 3rds. Harris is maybe worth a mid to late 2nd but I'm not sure anyone will give you that for him.

Lets say for arguments sake that Harris is worth the high 2nd you have Calgary including in that trade (which he's not). In what world is Matheson worth Markstrom 50% retained for 2 years?
Mar. 12 at 1:58 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Hate Matheson? No he's just not that good. Worth maybe 2 3rds. Harris is maybe worth a mid to late 2nd but I'm not sure anyone will give you that for him.

Lets say for arguments sake that Harris is worth the high 2nd you have Calgary including in that trade (which he's not). In what world is Matheson worth Markstrom 50% retained for 2 years?


So its you dont like Matheson got it.
But you're right that 2nd wasnt suppose to be from CGY but to CGY
I ****ed that up when i was putting it together i guess and didnt notice
It was more or less for the RS and an upgrade on the 5th round pick i originally had in with Matheson and Harris with Markstrom with no RS

Balancing this one i went back and forth on but im seeing now i shoulda just did the leg work to trade Matheson and Harris separately then transfer that to CGY
Goalies Traditionally get futures anyways so it woulda stuck with that pattern but i was like "hey CGY needs D" and chose the easiest route.
Mar. 12 at 2:11 a.m.
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So its you dont like Matheson got it.
But you're right that 2nd wasnt suppose to be from CGY but to CGY
I ****ed that up when i was putting it together i guess and didnt notice
It was more or less for the RS and an upgrade on the 5th round pick i originally had in with Matheson and Harris with Markstrom with no RS

Balancing this one i went back and forth on but im seeing now i shoulda just did the leg work to trade Matheson and Harris separately then transfer that to CGY
Goalies Traditionally get futures anyways so it woulda stuck with that pattern but i was like "hey CGY needs D" and chose the easiest route.


Matheson is a liability at 5v5. I have nothing against him as a person he's just a powerplay specialist and if Calgary wanted that Tyson Barrie is free this summer.

The apparent ask from New Jersey for Markstrom was Mercer and a 1st. If you aren't even half way to that ballpark then you have to start over and try again
Mar. 12 at 2:21 a.m.
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Matheson is a liability at 5v5. I have nothing against him as a person he's just a powerplay specialist and if Calgary wanted that Tyson Barrie is free this summer.

The apparent ask from New Jersey for Markstrom was Mercer and a 1st. If you aren't even half way to that ballpark then you have to start over and try again


The ask coulda been four 1sts NJD GM said it wasnt happening and stuck to it because Goalies traditionally get Picks not establish players viewed as a positive asset.
Only exception i can recall is the Hasek trade where they got a LW Stanley Cup Champ i believe Vladmir Kozlov? who was a pending UFA who BUF flipped for swapping 2nds to move up a few spots and a 3rd round pick in another trade.

Goalies traditionally dont land packages you were suggesting but if he did i'd be impressed
Mercer is a quality player i'd give up a 1st for myself
Mar. 12 at 2:26 a.m.
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Matheson is a liability at 5v5. I have nothing against him as a person he's just a powerplay specialist and if Calgary wanted that Tyson Barrie is free this summer.

The apparent ask from New Jersey for Markstrom was Mercer and a 1st. If you aren't even half way to that ballpark then you have to start over and try again


5v5 he's not strong but he isnt a liability
He's just played on PP and PK as well as top pairing
He does suck on PK and if you took him off it completely like PIT did his 5v5 numbers go back to what they were on par with your top guys
Its not that he cant its that he's horrible on PK with 5 Goals against on the PK i know about from watching him
Take him off PK let him rest more and play him at 23-25 rather then 25-27 minutes a night like MTL
I think you see the same results 5v5 as he put up in PIT
Mar. 12 at 8:27 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Matheson is a liability at 5v5. I have nothing against him as a person he's just a powerplay specialist and if Calgary wanted that Tyson Barrie is free this summer.

The apparent ask from New Jersey for Markstrom was Mercer and a 1st. If you aren't even half way to that ballpark then you have to start over and try again


Do you even watch Matheson play? You say if you take hime off the PP he is nothing but he literally has 50% of his points on the PP and 50% at even strength. He is the same quality player at 5v5 as he is on the PP, like others have said the issue is he isn't a PK guy but Montreal is trying to help him develop that side of his game and they can afford to since they are in a rebuild.
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Do you even watch Matheson play? You say if you take hime off the PP he is nothing but he literally has 50% of his points on the PP and 50% at even strength. He is the same quality player at 5v5 as he is on the PP, like others have said the issue is he isn't a PK guy but Montreal is trying to help him develop that side of his game and they can afford to since they are in a rebuild.


He's dropped in MTL as our team is bottom 10 in the NHL
But his time in PIT with no PK time showed he would be a top 5v5 producer on CGY current roster.
He had every other stat raised in MTL basically but his 5v5 cause he's so gassed from playing top PP and PK as out games have a ton of special teams involvement but i digress.

But some people arent Matheson people
I cant even get a bite out of Old NYI Fan on him lol
Seems easiest to keep him and Trade Guhle,Harris or sadly Xhekaj as Hutsons here soon
Only team that makes sense for Matheson that didnt flat out reject it was EDM and PHI in deals where they upgrade their D for a first
At least so far but i still think there's a few teams where he'll be a fit in the right situation but it being right after the TDL a lot of holes are temporarily fixed

This summer or at the Draft you'll have teams fanbases competing for him aft he hits 55 -60pts
Mar. 12 at 4:14 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Hate Matheson? No he's just not that good. Worth maybe 2 3rds. Harris is maybe worth a mid to late 2nd but I'm not sure anyone will give you that for him.

Lets say for arguments sake that Harris is worth the high 2nd you have Calgary including in that trade (which he's not). In what world is Matheson worth Markstrom 50% retained for 2 years?


When people put values into pick and young players they need to keep one idea in mind. Will that pick give me more value ?

Right now Harris show great progress while being a #5-6. Will the 3rd round pick or 2nd round gives you a #5 D ? Generally no. Harris value is more at the end of a 1rd pick.
Mar. 12 at 4:19 p.m.
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The ask coulda been four 1sts NJD GM said it wasnt happening and stuck to it because Goalies traditionally get Picks not establish players viewed as a positive asset.
Only exception i can recall is the Hasek trade where they got a LW Stanley Cup Champ i believe Vladmir Kozlov? who was a pending UFA who BUF flipped for swapping 2nds to move up a few spots and a 3rd round pick in another trade.

Goalies traditionally dont land packages you were suggesting but if he did i'd be impressed
Mercer is a quality player i'd give up a 1st for myself


You are aware that the New Jersey deal was at the finish line right? Even if it wasn't Mercer it was probably Holtz and a 1st.

The reason you are struggling to find examples is goalies rarely get traded already, and high end goalies are even rarer.
Mar. 12 at 4:31 p.m.
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5v5 he's not strong but he isnt a liability
He's just played on PP and PK as well as top pairing
He does suck on PK and if you took him off it completely like PIT did his 5v5 numbers go back to what they were on par with your top guys
Its not that he cant its that he's horrible on PK with 5 Goals against on the PK i know about from watching him
Take him off PK let him rest more and play him at 23-25 rather then 25-27 minutes a night like MTL
I think you see the same results 5v5 as he put up in PIT


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Do you even watch Matheson play? You say if you take hime off the PP he is nothing but he literally has 50% of his points on the PP and 50% at even strength. He is the same quality player at 5v5 as he is on the PP, like others have said the issue is he isn't a PK guy but Montreal is trying to help him develop that side of his game and they can afford to since they are in a rebuild.


He is literally one of the worst 5v5 players in the league. Him being useless on the PK has zero connection to that

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Having your production as a 50/50 split between power play and EV is a bad thing lol. He's played 244.5 minutes on the PP this year and 1202.2 minutes at EV

I don't have an issue taking on Matheson, but I'm certainly not giving up much for him, let alone retaining 50% of Markstrom for him
Mar. 12 at 4:39 p.m.
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When people put values into pick and young players they need to keep one idea in mind. Will that pick give me more value ?

Right now Harris show great progress while being a #5-6. Will the 3rd round pick or 2nd round gives you a #5 D ? Generally no. Harris value is more at the end of a 1rd pick.


A 1st for Harris? Tanev didn't even return a 1st. We just spent a 5th to get a defenseman with relatively similar potential in Okhotiuk. Nobody is giving you a 1st for him
Mar. 12 at 4:49 p.m.
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You are aware that the New Jersey deal was at the finish line right? Even if it wasn't Mercer it was probably Holtz and a 1st.

The reason you are struggling to find examples is goalies rarely get traded already, and high end goalies are even rarer.


MAF off a Vezina win was traded like a month later?
He got a now Retired Center Prospect 3 years ago and then a 2nd round pick when CHI flipped him 9 months later

Luongo got got Markstrom and Mathias

i think COL paid the most in recent memory of Kuemper in a 1st round pick (late) , 3rd round pick(later) and Prospect off his ELC that he spent much of on LTIR that COL didnt seem like they'd even QO
That return i could probably get behind for Markstrom i guess as as i believe Kuemper had an extra year left too right? or i think he did

But i dont recall a trade ever where a goalie got a A level Rookie Prospect
It Certainly would have made history because as of looking into it i cant find anyone willing to put their name to those rumored returns outside "clutchpoints" website suggesting a 1 for 1 if CGY RS
I mean in that case it seems like a stretch but they're the only source i could find willing to stand by what they heard
But Major Sources like The Athletic ,The Hockey Writers, TSN, Sportsnet ,ESPN,ext all point out Markstrom is in the market with Saro's and Ullmark who are on his level with teams looking to sell for different reasons. That a BOS is looking to make room for Swayman to Grow therefore is likely the first domino to fall and set the market this summer.

I get what you're trying to say but you're entire argument is based of a rumor you cant confirm
While mine is the same every time there's a goalie trade on her for an insane amount
I shot down 90% of Allen trades like everyone else and was shocked he got more then we paid for him off a SC win
I take that into account now that some teams do get desperate enough to over pay and it could happen with Markstrom
It just would be a History making move

But if you want to hang onto Markstrom i get it cause after this summer into next TDL you could get a great return
Especially if someone helps you by RS ontop of you doing it so cap strapped teams like COL can get in on it too
Maybe they repeat and give up the 1st , 3rd and an draft pick off his ELC that isnt living up to the hype again this time around
Mar. 12 at 4:57 p.m.
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He is literally one of the worst 5v5 players in the league. Him being useless on the PK has zero connection to that

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Having your production as a 50/50 split between power play and EV is a bad thing lol. He's played 244.5 minutes on the PP this year and 1202.2 minutes at EV

I don't have an issue taking on Matheson, but I'm certainly not giving up much for him, let alone retaining 50% of Markstrom for him



I never said he didnt
I literally took 10 minutes to point out PIT his 5v5 in contrast to MTL 5v5
I over explained it all as i knew you wouldnt read it just skimming through then posting something like this
At which point i'd direct you back to the original Comment 14h ago and the one 2 h ago and the one now . . .

When i hate a player i just say it
I dont keep ignoring people while repeating the same narrative over and over again as if anyones refuting your statement.
You're just doing it to avoid addressing anyone else challenge your point within the confines of the stats categories you listed

Player jumps from 17-18 minutes a night with better 5v5 numbers then your entire Dcore has to 24-25 minutes a night on a bottom 10 team in the league he'll see a 5% dip in 5v5 im sure. He's playing 7-8 extra minutes a night compared to his career high in MTL there's bound to be a Transitional period especially when we force him on top PK , PP and Line he's bound to be less impactful offensively by 4-5% in the 5v5 stats given his role's expanded so much
Mar. 12 at 5:35 p.m.
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MAF off a Vezina win was traded like a month later?
He got a now Retired Center Prospect 3 years ago and then a 2nd round pick when CHI flipped him 9 months later

Luongo got got Markstrom and Mathias

i think COL paid the most in recent memory of Kuemper in a 1st round pick (late) , 3rd round pick(later) and Prospect off his ELC that he spent much of on LTIR that COL didnt seem like they'd even QO
That return i could probably get behind for Markstrom i guess as as i believe Kuemper had an extra year left too right? or i think he did

But i dont recall a trade ever where a goalie got a A level Rookie Prospect
It Certainly would have made history because as of looking into it i cant find anyone willing to put their name to those rumored returns outside "clutchpoints" website suggesting a 1 for 1 if CGY RS
I mean in that case it seems like a stretch but they're the only source i could find willing to stand by what they heard
But Major Sources like The Athletic ,The Hockey Writers, TSN, Sportsnet ,ESPN,ext all point out Markstrom is in the market with Saro's and Ullmark who are on his level with teams looking to sell for different reasons. That a BOS is looking to make room for Swayman to Grow therefore is likely the first domino to fall and set the market this summer.

I get what you're trying to say but you're entire argument is based of a rumor you cant confirm
While mine is the same every time there's a goalie trade on her for an insane amount
I shot down 90% of Allen trades like everyone else and was shocked he got more then we paid for him off a SC win
I take that into account now that some teams do get desperate enough to over pay and it could happen with Markstrom
It just would be a History making move

But if you want to hang onto Markstrom i get it cause after this summer into next TDL you could get a great return
Especially if someone helps you by RS ontop of you doing it so cap strapped teams like COL can get in on it too
Maybe they repeat and give up the 1st , 3rd and an draft pick off his ELC that isnt living up to the hype again this time around


The MAF trade is really not relatable, Vegas was well over the cap and made a controversial move to get under, because had a new starting goalie in Lehner on lucrative deal too. Calgary will be ~16M under the cap next year and have no reason at all to trade Markstrom.

Luongo was barely playing well when he was dealt.

Kuemper was a 1 year rental, he was traded right after Seattle took Grubauer in the expansion draft. Timmins was viewed pretty highly at the time of the trade

Tomas Vokoun was traded for a likely high 1st, a high 2nd, and a mid 2nd.

Lets make this clear, I did not expect Mercer to be part of the return at all. All I am saying is that is what Dredger said Calgary wanted, and that the deal was basically done a month ago. But if it was Holtz instead then I expected their 1st included. Calgary is under no pressure at all to trade Markstrom and unless someone meets their asking price they will happily just hold on to him.
Mar. 12 at 7:57 p.m.
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I never said he didnt
I literally took 10 minutes to point out PIT his 5v5 in contrast to MTL 5v5
I over explained it all as i knew you wouldnt read it just skimming through then posting something like this
At which point i'd direct you back to the original Comment 14h ago and the one 2 h ago and the one now . . .

When i hate a player i just say it
I dont keep ignoring people while repeating the same narrative over and over again as if anyones refuting your statement.
You're just doing it to avoid addressing anyone else challenge your point within the confines of the stats categories you listed

Player jumps from 17-18 minutes a night with better 5v5 numbers then your entire Dcore has to 24-25 minutes a night on a bottom 10 team in the league he'll see a 5% dip in 5v5 im sure. He's playing 7-8 extra minutes a night compared to his career high in MTL there's bound to be a Transitional period especially when we force him on top PK , PP and Line he's bound to be less impactful offensively by 4-5% in the 5v5 stats given his role's expanded so much


I responded to 2 people in that post, the other user brought up the 50/50 split in power play points. So that part was directed at them.

Taking him off the PK isn't going to have much effect at all to his 5v5 play. It would literally only matter for the 30 seconds right after an unsuccessful PK ends when the other teams top players are resting. I'm not really sure why you keep bringing up Pittsburgh, he wasn't exactly good there either. He was ok but he was also their 4th, maybe 5th best defenseman. He was carried by Marino most nights. You also keep talking about how Montreal has been a bottom 10 team as if Calgary without Markstrom won't also be bottom 10.

Again I don't hate him, I just know he's not worth nearly as much as you seem to think. Maybe you could flip him in a deal like Edmonton did with Tyson Barrie.

Your last statement here is a bit confusing
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Player jumps from 17-18 minutes a night with better 5v5 numbers then your entire Dcore has to 24-25 minutes a night on a bottom 10 team in the league he'll see a 5% dip in 5v5 im sure. He's playing 7-8 extra minutes a night compared to his career high in MTL there's bound to be a Transitional period especially when we force him on top PK , PP and Line he's bound to be less impactful offensively by 4-5% in the 5v5 stats given his role's expanded so much

Are you suggesting that when he played 18 minutes a night in Pittsburgh he had better 5v5 numbers than the Flames entire d-core? Maybe better than the new guys they brought in this deadline but you are trolling if you think he was better than any of Andersson, Weegar, Hanifin, Tanev, or Kylington.
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Mar. 13 at 11:59 a.m.
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I responded to 2 people in that post, the other user brought up the 50/50 split in power play points. So that part was directed at them.

Taking him off the PK isn't going to have much effect at all to his 5v5 play. It would literally only matter for the 30 seconds right after an unsuccessful PK ends when the other teams top players are resting. I'm not really sure why you keep bringing up Pittsburgh, he wasn't exactly good there either. He was ok but he was also their 4th, maybe 5th best defenseman. He was carried by Marino most nights. You also keep talking about how Montreal has been a bottom 10 team as if Calgary without Markstrom won't also be bottom 10.

Again I don't hate him, I just know he's not worth nearly as much as you seem to think. Maybe you could flip him in a deal like Edmonton did with Tyson Barrie.

Your last statement here is a bit confusing

Are you suggesting that when he played 18 minutes a night in Pittsburgh he had better 5v5 numbers than the Flames entire d-core? Maybe better than the new guys they brought in this deadline but you are trolling if you think he was better than any of Andersson, Weegar, Hanifin, Tanev, or Kylington.


oo ok that part makes more sense now

Taking him off the PK gives him 2-4 minutes extra Rest on average
Mathesons shift on PK last about 1:15-1:25 minutes each PK
It Gases him ,i watch it after a big game screw him and the team

My Favorite Example is MTL vs TBL as the first 10 games we rode him 26-28 minutes a night with a 5-3-2 start
Then he broke down to start the game totally flat footed so he sat until he got his legs under him and is was the Guhle Barron show that night in WPG games MTL Won 4-3 before we had
Well Matheson only played 16 minutes that night 21 the next 4 games before the MTL vs TBL game where in the first 14 Minutes 4 goals he was directly at fault for were scored and the replay painfully show it even as i re-watch it now for the first time in a few months. He even Kicked a Goal in on Allen before he got benched after Allen got Pulled(going on to end his winning streak & start a losing one)

Matheson does this as he did after that TBL Lightning Loss that set Allen on a Losing Streak after a hot start
He continues with 27-32 minutes a night followed by bad games and back down to 21 minutes a night for a few games

Why?
His PK Time
I watch him all year and there's nothing he's doing thats wrong
He's just getting caught flat footed and winded as he went from conditioning for his career average 18 minutes
But now in MTL he can play anywhere from 25 Minutes Average with Spikes as low as 16 minutes and as high as 32
Thats too Much For even a Doughty , Hedman , Markar, Q.Hughes or whomever you think is the best

You CANT have your #1 D running Pair 1 , PP1 and PK1 when there's no Pair 2 capable of 22 Minute average largely due to the weird distribution of minutes.
Watching these games is painful sometime and watching him let down Allen i that TBL game broke my heart Matheson was owning and apologizing even went out to play the best next 5 period of the season trying to make up for it scoring 4 points i believe? Even after Allen was on the bench he'd go out of his way to sit beside him and say "it was my fault not yours"

He earned a Ton of Respect that game from MTL
Our Defense Coach Robidas and Special Teams Coach Burrows Lost a Ton of Respect that night
Its when i started calling for Experience in 1/2 roles but i digress.



Onto Weeger who has CGY best 5v5 CF% 51.8 and FF% 52.3
Matheson in PIT has 5v5 CF% 53.8 and FF% 54.6

53.8>51.8 and 54.6>52.3
Even if you use the 2 year average its 52.5>51.8 and 52.9>52.3

When you brought up these Stats with your 5v5 weird excuse for not just sacking up and saying "i dont like the player"
The only players Better then Mathesons PIT totals you have traded away in Hanafin 60% average and Tanev 55% average
Trust me i wouldnt have pointed it out if i didnt physically check it out after you made this all by 5v5 as i had to see how vast the divide was between our teams 5v5

While i get what you're saying
I truly dont believe you considered what ive said for more then the 30 seconds you took to skim through my reply.
So please this time just give it a good read and consider the statement in context to your response .
I think if you do we'll be a lot closer on a lot of opinions that your realize i just think there's a bit of a disconnect trying to express it all via Text?


Also below is Mathesons Game Logs just check out his minutes
Then tell me being on the PK isnt a factor in why he's too gassed 5v5 and makes mistakes more now cause of it
Not to mention we lead the league in SHG against and i know 5 went in when he was last man out his end and can remember 3 vividly
Struble should get the minutes and wouldnt have 5 SHG against on his shift on his man as he's not getting a ton of minutes.

Anyways i hope this clarifies the points i was trying to make
I also hope you dont get mad that Matheson PIT 5v5 #'s are better then Weeger,Anderson and Kylington's
Given when i made the statement Tanev and Hanafin werent a part of CGY i find they're irrelevant to this conversation
But if it makes you feel better we can Pretend they arent i guess

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/m/mathemi01/gamelog/2024
Mar. 13 at 6:20 p.m.
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oo ok that part makes more sense now

Taking him off the PK gives him 2-4 minutes extra Rest on average
Mathesons shift on PK last about 1:15-1:25 minutes each PK
It Gases him ,i watch it after a big game screw him and the team

My Favorite Example is MTL vs TBL as the first 10 games we rode him 26-28 minutes a night with a 5-3-2 start
Then he broke down to start the game totally flat footed so he sat until he got his legs under him and is was the Guhle Barron show that night in WPG games MTL Won 4-3 before we had
Well Matheson only played 16 minutes that night 21 the next 4 games before the MTL vs TBL game where in the first 14 Minutes 4 goals he was directly at fault for were scored and the replay painfully show it even as i re-watch it now for the first time in a few months. He even Kicked a Goal in on Allen before he got benched after Allen got Pulled(going on to end his winning streak & start a losing one)

Matheson does this as he did after that TBL Lightning Loss that set Allen on a Losing Streak after a hot start
He continues with 27-32 minutes a night followed by bad games and back down to 21 minutes a night for a few games

Why?
His PK Time
I watch him all year and there's nothing he's doing thats wrong
He's just getting caught flat footed and winded as he went from conditioning for his career average 18 minutes
But now in MTL he can play anywhere from 25 Minutes Average with Spikes as low as 16 minutes and as high as 32
Thats too Much For even a Doughty , Hedman , Markar, Q.Hughes or whomever you think is the best

You CANT have your #1 D running Pair 1 , PP1 and PK1 when there's no Pair 2 capable of 22 Minute average largely due to the weird distribution of minutes.
Watching these games is painful sometime and watching him let down Allen i that TBL game broke my heart Matheson was owning and apologizing even went out to play the best next 5 period of the season trying to make up for it scoring 4 points i believe? Even after Allen was on the bench he'd go out of his way to sit beside him and say "it was my fault not yours"

He earned a Ton of Respect that game from MTL
Our Defense Coach Robidas and Special Teams Coach Burrows Lost a Ton of Respect that night
Its when i started calling for Experience in 1/2 roles but i digress.



Onto Weeger who has CGY best 5v5 CF% 51.8 and FF% 52.3
Matheson in PIT has 5v5 CF% 53.8 and FF% 54.6

53.8>51.8 and 54.6>52.3
Even if you use the 2 year average its 52.5>51.8 and 52.9>52.3

When you brought up these Stats with your 5v5 weird excuse for not just sacking up and saying "i dont like the player"
The only players Better then Mathesons PIT totals you have traded away in Hanafin 60% average and Tanev 55% average
Trust me i wouldnt have pointed it out if i didnt physically check it out after you made this all by 5v5 as i had to see how vast the divide was between our teams 5v5

While i get what you're saying
I truly dont believe you considered what ive said for more then the 30 seconds you took to skim through my reply.
So please this time just give it a good read and consider the statement in context to your response .
I think if you do we'll be a lot closer on a lot of opinions that your realize i just think there's a bit of a disconnect trying to express it all via Text?


Also below is Mathesons Game Logs just check out his minutes
Then tell me being on the PK isnt a factor in why he's too gassed 5v5 and makes mistakes more now cause of it
Not to mention we lead the league in SHG against and i know 5 went in when he was last man out his end and can remember 3 vividly
Struble should get the minutes and wouldnt have 5 SHG against on his shift on his man as he's not getting a ton of minutes.

Anyways i hope this clarifies the points i was trying to make
I also hope you dont get mad that Matheson PIT 5v5 #'s are better then Weeger,Anderson and Kylington's
Given when i made the statement Tanev and Hanafin werent a part of CGY i find they're irrelevant to this conversation
But if it makes you feel better we can Pretend they arent i guess

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/m/mathemi01/gamelog/2024


I did read your whole, very long post all the way through and I understand your point. However none of it changes my original view on the initial proposal being horrible for Calgary.

I would also like to point out that you are comparing his year as the 4th best defenseman on contending Penguins team to a clearly bad Flames team this year. Simply being on the ice when either of Crosby or Malkin are out there raises your CF%. There are also a lot more stats than just Corsi.
Mar. 14 at 3:33 p.m.
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I did read your whole, very long post all the way through and I understand your point. However none of it changes my original view on the initial proposal being horrible for Calgary.

I would also like to point out that you are comparing his year as the 4th best defenseman on contending Penguins team to a clearly bad Flames team this year. Simply being on the ice when either of Crosby or Malkin are out there raises your CF%. There are also a lot more stats than just Corsi.


Man you served this one up to me Easily , too Easily... you feeling alright?

Explain Jeff Petry if thats the case


***Edit*** Clearly Trolling with that last response as i know he's smart enough to understand the question in response to his statement.
Its hard to take people seriously when they wont just be honest and check their bias.

There's many players im bias for and against, im up front about it
I take it from a debate about Facts/Reality to one about Opinion/Perception aka less serious.
Issue is im learning we're paying for schools who dont teach the finer points of Debate anymore.
Point vs Counterpoint became Point vs Deflection

For that reason i blocked Ledge_And_Diary
I want people who can debate Fact or Opinion but not confuse the two
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Man you served this one up to me Easily , too Easily... you feeling alright?

Explain Jeff Petry if thats the case


What about him?
 
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