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My guess on the cost of moving up from 7th overall in the 2024 Draft

Created by: sensonfire
Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 29, 2024
Published: Mar. 29, 2024
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Ottawa's 1st round pick is currently 7th overall on tankathon.


This is assuming Ottawa doesn't win the lottery and stays where they are.
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1.
OTT
  1. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
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6th overall
MTL
    7th overall

    Whichever 3rd round pick in 2025 is higher between Florida and Ottawa
    2.
    OTT
    1. 2024 1st round pick (ARI)
    Additional Details:
    5th overall
    ARI
      7th overall

      39th overall
      3.
      OTT
      1. 2024 1st round pick (CBJ)
      Additional Details:
      4th overall
      CBJ
        7th overall

        Whichever 1st round pick we get from the DeBrincat trade with Detroit
        4.
        OTT
        1. 2024 1st round pick (ANA)
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        3rd overall
        ANA
          7th overall

          Whichever 1st round pick we get from the DeBrincat trade with Detroit

          39th overall
          5.
          OTT
          1. 2024 1st round pick (CHI)
          Additional Details:
          2nd overall
          CHI
            7th overall

            Jakob Chychrun
            6.
            OTT
            1. 2024 1st round pick (SJS)
            Additional Details:
            1st overall
            SJS
              7th overall

              Whichever 1st round pick we get from the DeBrincat trade with Detroit

              Jakob Chychrun
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              DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
              2024
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              2025
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              2026
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              ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
              23$83,500,000$83,480,713$0$1,850,000$19,287
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              $8,205,714$8,205,714
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              UFA - 5
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              $8,350,000$8,350,000
              C
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              $6,500,000$6,500,000
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              $2,950,000$2,950,000
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              $7,950,000$7,950,000
              C
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              $4,975,000$4,975,000
              RW, LW
              UFA - 4
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              $863,333$863,333
              C, LW
              RFA - 2
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              $775,000$775,000
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              RFA - 1
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              $2,500,000$2,500,000
              LW, RW
              UFA - 1
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              $762,500$762,500
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              RFA - 1
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              $835,000$835,000
              C, RW
              RFA - 2
              Logo of the Ottawa Senators
              $758,333$758,333
              LW
              RFA - 1
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              $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$1,850,000$2M)
              LD
              UFA - 1
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              $4,600,000$4,600,000
              RD
              M-NTC
              UFA - 4
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              $4,000,000$4,000,000
              G
              M-NTC
              UFA - 5
              Logo of the Ottawa Senators
              $8,000,000$8,000,000
              LD
              UFA - 5
              Logo of the Ottawa Senators
              $4,600,000$4,600,000
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              M-NTC
              UFA - 2
              Logo of the Ottawa Senators
              $2,750,000$2,750,000
              G
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              $2,000,000$2,000,000
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              RFA - 1
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              $805,000$805,000
              RD
              RFA - 2
              ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
              Logo of the Ottawa Senators
              $1,100,000$1,100,000
              RD
              NMC
              UFA - 2
              Logo of the Ottawa Senators
              $916,667$916,667
              LD
              RFA - 2
              Logo of the Ottawa Senators
              $838,333$838,333
              LW
              RFA - 1

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              Mar. 29 at 6:25 p.m.
              #26
              fromtherivertothesea
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              Quoting: sensonfire
              I asked you for the name of the guy you want at #6 overall.

              And your only answer is "whoever the Habs want".

              So, either you don't know or refuse to answer.

              Your logic is so stupid that it's non-existent.



              I'll ask you again.

              Who is the name of the player you want at #6 ?

              I'll even tell you if Ottawa wants him at #7.


              Eiserman if Demidov gone and Ott isn’t going to be interested.
              Mar. 29 at 6:27 p.m.
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              Quoting: batman
              I’d bet 20$ the top 7 is going to end up like this

              1 - Celebrini (SJ)
              2 - Lindstrom (CHI)
              3 - Levshunov (ANA)
              4 - Demidov (CBJ)
              5 - Dickinson (ARI)
              6 - Eiserman (MTL)
              7 - Parekh (OTT)


              Are you worried OTT will want Eiserman at #7 ?
              Mar. 29 at 6:30 p.m.
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              Quoting: sensonfire
              It did when OTT wanted Logan Brown.


              Do you even know the name of the player you want at #6 ?

              Black61 can't answer that simple question.

              Can you ?


              i know the player i want, im also not the gm.

              still think it made no sense for the sens back then, but thats just my opinion
              Mar. 29 at 6:30 p.m.
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              Quoting: sensonfire
              I asked you for the name of the guy you want at #6 overall.

              And your only answer is "whoever the Habs want".

              So, either you don't know or refuse to answer.

              Your logic is so stupid that it's non-existent.



              I'll ask you again.

              Who is the name of the player you want at #6 ?

              I'll even tell you if Ottawa wants him at #7.


              It will depend who is still available.

              If your logic was so sound how come it hasnt happened once in the last decade?

              You want to move up to get the player ypu want you have to actually pay and for the habs thats another 1st at a.mimimum and every single team ahead is going to ask for even more.
              Mar. 29 at 6:31 p.m.
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              Quoting: batman
              Eiserman if Demidov gone and Ott isn’t going to be interested.


              I would only want Eiserman at #6 or #7 if he's the clear BPA.
              Mar. 29 at 6:35 p.m.
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              Quoting: drambui
              i know the player i want, im also not the gm.

              still think it made no sense for the sens back then, but thats just my opinion


              Who's the name of the player you want at #6 ?



              It made a ton of sense back then.

              Ottawa wanted a big-tall center with a long reach and Logan Brown was the BPA by a mile for us.

              There were probably other teams trying to trade up to #11 in 2016 as well.
              Mar. 29 at 6:37 p.m.
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              Quoting: sensonfire
              Are you worried OTT will want Eiserman at #7 ?


              Depends what happens before #7 If Dickinson Parekh And Silayev are all there, they will take one of them. Not worried really. More worried about Columbus interest in Demidov, because if he falls to us. I promise you we are taking him without a doubt. Habs management is high on Lindstrom and Demidov.

              We tend to forget that there’s still Silayev Helenius Catton Buium Ignila. IMO this draft would be easy to predict :

              1 Celebrini ( Consensus ) SJ
              2 Lindstrom ( Like Byfield no doubt easy pick )
              3 Levshunov ( Verbeek type of guy and logic )
              4 Demidov or Silayev Crazy talent BPA for CBJ )
              5 Dickinson ( Sanderson comp + ARI need that tier1 d)
              6- Eiserman ( MTL taking no dmen + we take the most talented forward left )
              7- Parekh ( they would be more than happy )
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              Mar. 29 at 6:38 p.m.
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              Quoting: batman
              I’d bet 20$ the top 7 is going to end up like this

              1 - Celebrini (SJ)
              2 - Lindstrom (CHI)
              3 - Levshunov (ANA)
              4 - Demidov (CBJ)
              5 - Dickinson (ARI)
              6 - Eiserman (MTL)
              7 - Parekh (OTT)


              bet 20$ on each pick and you would win thousands in vegas
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              Mar. 29 at 6:39 p.m.
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              Quoting: sensonfire
              Who's the name of the player you want at #6 ?



              It made a ton of sense back then.

              Ottawa wanted a big-tall center with a long reach and Logan Brown was the BPA by a mile for us.

              There were probably other teams trying to trade up to #11 in 2016 as well.


              in order, celebrini, demidov, lindstrom, catton, eiserman.
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              Mar. 29 at 6:39 p.m.
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              Quoting: Black61
              It will depend who is still available.

              If your logic was so sound how come it hasnt happened once in the last decade?

              You want to move up to get the player ypu want you have to actually pay and for the habs thats another 1st at a.mimimum and every single team ahead is going to ask for even more.


              When was the last time a team paid a 1st round pick to move up 1 spot in the draft ?

              Has it ever happened before ??

              If anything, you're only saying that because you're triggered by the sight of this AGM ...
              Mar. 29 at 6:41 p.m.
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              Quoting: drambui
              in order, celebrini, demidov, lindstrom, catton, eiserman.


              There's a lot of buzz about Ottawa wanting Parekh.

              But I'd rather have Levshunov FWIW.
              Mar. 29 at 6:41 p.m.
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              Quoting: drambui
              bet 20$ on each pick and you would win thousands in vegas


              for real but can’t cuz it’s not halal.
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              Mar. 29 at 6:41 p.m.
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              Quoting: sensonfire
              There's a lot of buzz about Ottawa wanting Parekh.

              But I'd rather have Levshunov FWIW.


              He’s going to go in the top 3
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              Mar. 29 at 6:46 p.m.
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              Quoting: sensonfire
              There's a lot of buzz about Ottawa wanting Parekh.

              But I'd rather have Levshunov FWIW.


              habs wil draft a foward, 95% sure. makes no sense to trade up with them
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              Mar. 29 at 6:57 p.m.
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              Quoting: drambui
              habs wil draft a foward, 95% sure. makes no sense to trade up with them


              Or we draft a DMEN and we trade one of Mailloux Guhle Hutson For A crazy talented foward
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              Mar. 29 at 7:06 p.m.
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              Edited Mar. 29 at 7:15 p.m.
              Quoting: sensonfire
              Montreal kicks in Slafkovsky for that asinine remark.


              You sure? Because I have a good read about value's chart at the draft and @Garak can offer a link too!
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              Mar. 29 at 7:07 p.m.
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              Quoting: batman
              Depends what happens before #7 If Dickinson Parekh And Silayev are all there, they will take one of them. Not worried really. More worried about Columbus interest in Demidov, because if he falls to us. I promise you we are taking him without a doubt. Habs management is high on Lindstrom and Demidov.

              We tend to forget that there’s still Silayev Helenius Catton Buium Ignila. IMO this draft would be easy to predict :

              1 Celebrini ( Consensus ) SJ
              2 Lindstrom ( Like Byfield no doubt easy pick )
              3 Levshunov ( Verbeek type of guy and logic )
              4 Demidov or Silayev Crazy talent BPA for CBJ )
              5 Dickinson ( Sanderson comp + ARI need that tier1 d)
              6- Eiserman ( MTL taking no dmen + we take the most talented forward left )
              7- Parekh ( they would be more than happy )


              What about Lindstrom's concussion he hasn't played since December 16, you guys are still sure that he won't drop?
              Mar. 29 at 7:13 p.m.
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              Quoting: sensonfire
              When was the last time a team paid a 1st round pick to move up 1 spot in the draft ?

              Has it ever happened before ??

              If anything, you're only saying that because you're triggered by the sight of this AGM ...


              Shouldnt that alone show how stupid your premise is?

              Teams dont spend months narrowing down to the player they want just to lose him for a 3rd round pick. Especially one like the habs who have a deep pool AND almost two draft classes worth of picks.

              Its just plain stupid.

              A 3rd rounder barely gets movement on the back half of the 1st round.

              2021 22 to 20
              2020 22 to 19 and 24 to22
              2018 29 to 25

              The gap from 6 to 7 is way higher than any of those deals. A future 3rd is garbage.

              Its the boston 1st+ or you can move along elsewhere
              Mar. 29 at 7:17 p.m.
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              Quoting: habitantlecolon
              Garak can offer a link too!


              I prefer to keep things simple and use a calculator.

              https://puckpedia.com/pickvalue
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              Mar. 29 at 7:19 p.m.
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              Quoting: habitantlecolon
              Garak can offer a link too!


              Oof... Pinto is worth way more than the difference between 6th and 7th overall picks. Also, that study you linked to is pretty out dated at this point. This is the study I use for draft pick values: Draft Pick value chart

              On paper, yeah, the difference is about a 3rd, but in reality you'd likely have to overpay.
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              Mar. 29 at 7:43 p.m.
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              az might do that
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              Mar. 29 at 7:47 p.m.
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              Edited Mar. 29 at 7:55 p.m.
              Quoting: Black61
              Shouldnt that alone show how stupid your premise is?

              Teams dont spend months narrowing down to the player they want just to lose him for a 3rd round pick. Especially one like the habs who have a deep pool AND almost two draft classes worth of picks.

              Its just plain stupid.

              A 3rd rounder barely gets movement on the back half of the 1st round.

              2021 22 to 20
              2020 22 to 19 and 24 to22
              2018 29 to 25

              The gap from 6 to 7 is way higher than any of those deals. A future 3rd is garbage.

              Its the boston 1st+ or you can move along elsewhere


              I asked you for the name of the player you might want at #6.

              And all you've done was beat around the bush.

              Furthermore, at least two different Habs fans said here who they might want at #6.

              The fact that you still can't is just plain stupid.




              A 3rd round pick can be enough to move up 1 spot in the top half of the 1st round as well.

              1999 2 to 1
              2008 13 to 12
              2009 16 to 12
              2016 12 to 11



              The gap in value varies from draft to draft because every draft class is different.

              And if 3rd round picks are garbage, why do the Habs still trade for them ?

              https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/canadiens?round=3




              You presented your counteroffer and I heard you out.

              You move along elsewhere.
              Mar. 29 at 7:53 p.m.
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              Quoting: Garak
              Oof... Pinto is worth way more than the difference between 6th and 7th overall picks. Also, that study you linked to is pretty out dated at this point. This is the study I use for draft pick values: Draft Pick value chart

              On paper, yeah, the difference is about a 3rd, but in reality you'd likely have to overpay.


              hey I mean they want our first we need to be rough and not give it too easily no?
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              Mar. 29 at 8:01 p.m.
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              Quoting: habitantlecolon
              What about Lindstrom's concussion he hasn't played since December 16, you guys are still sure that he won't drop?


              He won’t drop.
              Mar. 29 at 8:03 p.m.
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              Quoting: batman
              He won’t drop.


              why?
               
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