Fair Trade or Not

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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Apr. 24, 2024

Published: Apr. 24, 2024

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MTL

Marner, Mitchell

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
31	$83,500,000	$79,100,117	$0	$1,640,000	$4,399,883

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Bertuzzi, Tyler $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C NMC UFA - 1	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW NMC UFA - 1
Knies, Matthew $925,000$925,000 LW, RW RFA - 2	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 2	Järnkrok, Calle $2,100,000$2,100,000 RW, C, LW M-NTC UFA - 3
Dewar, Connor $800,000$800,000 LW, C RFA - 1	Domi, Max $3,000,000$3,000,000 C, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Reaves, Ryan $1,350,000$1,350,000 RW UFA - 3
Robertson, Nicholas $796,667$796,667 LW, RW RFA - 1	Kämpf, David $2,400,000$2,400,000 C M-NTC UFA - 4	McMann, Bobby $762,500$762,500 RW, LW UFA - 1
Gregor, Noah $775,000$775,000 LW, RW RFA - 1	Holmberg, Pontus $800,000$800,000 C, LW RFA - 2	Farrell, Sean $897,500$897,500 ($557,500$558K) RW, LW RFA - 2
	Kidney, Riley $836,667$836,667 ($82,500$82K) C RFA - 3

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $7,500,000$7,500,000 LD NMC UFA - 7	Reinbacher, David $950,000$950,000 ($1,000,000$1M) RD RFA - 3	Samsonov, Ilya $3,550,000$3,550,000 G UFA - 1
Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Harris, Jordan $1,400,000$1,400,000 LD/RD RFA - 2	Jones, Martin $875,000$875,000 G UFA - 1
	Liljegren, Timothy $1,400,000$1,400,000 RD RFA - 1	Woll, Joseph $766,667$766,667 G RFA - 2
McCabe, Jake $2,000,000$2,000,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Timmins, Conor $1,100,000$1,100,000 RD RFA - 2
Edmundson, Joel $875,000$875,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Lyubushkin, Ilya $687,500$687,500 RD UFA - 1
Webber, Cade $875,000$875,000 LD RFA - 2
Giordano, Mark $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 1
Benoit, Simon $775,000$775,000 LD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1
		Murray, Matt $4,687,500$4,687,500 G M-NTC UFA - 1
		Klingberg, John $4,150,000$4,150,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1

Apr. 24 at 2:53 p.m.

hockeynutter

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For leafs, I like it. For the Canadiens, it is a overpay.

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Apr. 24 at 2:54 p.m.

MidnightRyder

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Its funny its come to this

Apr. 24 at 2:54 p.m.

MoSeider53

Future Norris guy

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Detroit will gladly give you Veleno for Marner, That's how terrible these offers are.

Apr. 24 at 2:55 p.m.

Lafleur10

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Not fair from Toronto's perspective. Reinbacher and the 1st are the big pieces from the trade, Reinbacher is going to be good but is still just a prospect for now, and even without him that first is *Hopefully* going to be around 12th-16th overall, not great value back for Marner. Other than that a solid bottom 4D and two decent B prospects don't bring the value close enough for Marner.

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Apr. 24 at 3:00 p.m.

draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

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Marner will not be traded so why bother, might as well do Nylander trades because his NMC won't activate until July 1st, trade him at the Draft.

Apr. 24 at 3:04 p.m.

Lancebmx

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Why either team would do this is beyond me.

Apr. 24 at 3:08 p.m.

Leafsfan98

Leafs going to Leafs

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Quoting: Lafleur10

I would at least consider this from a TO perspective... Maybe the 24 1st instead of the 26 one (top 2 protected in case MTL wins the lottery, then becomes an unprotected 25 1st...), Reinbacher's a steady RHD that the Leafs could use, and it helps their prospect pool...

Farrell's a solid prospect, Harris could be flipped and Kidney's a nice long shot...

Allows TO to sign Bert and Domi and have 4+ mill in remaining cap space remaining from the Marner contract...

I can see the logic behind the trade

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Apr. 24 at 3:09 p.m.

Leafsfan98

Leafs going to Leafs

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Quoting: MoSeider53

Detroit will gladly give you Veleno for Marner, That's how terrible these offers are.

Then you make a proposal for Marner... Stop discrediting others for trying...

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Apr. 24 at 4:01 p.m.

Campabee

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Personally, I think it's the type of deal that it would require for Marner, however it's not a move the Habs are going to make. Outside of Reinbacher and Mailloux we have 0 potential top 4 RHD for the future. Savard isn't going to be here long term, Kovacevic is a 3rd pairing guy, Barron is likely traded this offseason, that leaves only Konyushkov and who knows when he will come over, so unless we waste our 1st on a RHD instead of just filling our current hole by drafting a forward this makes no sense for the Habs. The same thing can be said for the Leafs though, they are trying to win now so they don't really have time to wait on Reinbacher or the 1st to develop. So as fun as it is to dream about a scenario like this, right now I don't think either side does it

Apr. 24 at 4:22 p.m.

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Lafleur10

Juraj SlafDadsky

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

It does clear up immediate cap and minimise the risk you lose him in free agency so I agree on that point. Yeah Montreal's 5th Overall (Pre Lottery) would probably bring the value up to make it worth it.

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Apr. 24 at 4:30 p.m.

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Leafsfan98

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Quoting: Lafleur10

Obviously with protection in case MTL wins the lottery (I don't see it as fair if MTL does trade the pick before that lottery and Toronto ends up winning it)...

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Apr. 24 at 7:50 p.m.

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Steve_321

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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

Marner will not be traded so why bother, might as well do Nylander trades because his NMC won't activate until July 1st, trade him at the Draft.

Because it’s fantasy hockey

Apr. 24 at 11:01 p.m.

#13

BorisBagel

Boris Bagel

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Habs can wait till he’s UFA

Apr. 25 at 11:32 a.m.

#14

AHLer

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Would make more sense if Habs were ready to contend
But they are still at least 2 years away from making the palyoffs and by then Marner would have walked in free agency.

Apr. 25 at 11:38 a.m.

#15

Jackaille

Joined: Jun. 2023

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Quoting: MoSeider53

Detroit will gladly give you Veleno for Marner, That's how terrible these offers are.

the 30p #4 center ? like he has any value

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