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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup

Wed. at 4:33 p.m.
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Quoting: PurpleHippo
LA quit on a system that wasn't working vs EDM, I would've been very happy if they stuck the 1-3-1 cause we were tearing it apart. Games 4-5 LA played well but EDM's defensive shift to a 2-1-2 shut them down and really highlighted that EDM can play some solid defence.

Story would've been different with Demko, doesn't mean it'd be better or worse, we have no idea how the series would've shaped or how Demko would've preformed. However we do know Silov's played amazing, Demko likely would've as well, going "Demko wins them the series if he's healthy" is the same as Boston fans saying "We win the cup in 2023 if Game 5 vs Florida goes our way". Neither are true, no one knows what might've happened.

DAL route sucked for them, I wouldnt compare them to either one of EDM or FLA.
But EDM and FLA were close, aside from EDM's first round which obvs TB is better than LA.


EDM and FLA were not close idk where your getting that and DAL is a comparable as they arguably despite not making the SCF had the hardest route of all playoff teams up till their loss


The former cup champs R1 to the cup champs before R2. No wonder they were out of gas for EDM lul


Like if we look at every route in the playoffs FLA arguably had the second toughest while EDM had the easiest as the NYR were in hot contention but CAR and FLA slapped that title away

As if we go by basis of say using just goaltending to judge a run

FLA had to go through: Vasilesky, Swayman, and Shesterkin
to
EDM: Talbot, Silvos (#3), Ottinger

Pretty telling right there. In the end they made the finals but saying their route wasnt easy is incorrect as yes Van made things tough even with the #3 but come on not having Demko can be argued as being a miracle on EDM side as if he was there probs would have been Van vs. Dal WCF
Wed. at 4:49 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
EDM and FLA were not close idk where your getting that and DAL is a comparable as they arguably despite not making the SCF had the hardest route of all playoff teams up till their loss


The former cup champs R1 to the cup champs before R2. No wonder they were out of gas for EDM lul


Like if we look at every route in the playoffs FLA arguably had the second toughest while EDM had the easiest as the NYR were in hot contention but CAR and FLA slapped that title away

As if we go by basis of say using just goaltending to judge a run

FLA had to go through: Vasilesky, Swayman, and Shesterkin
to
EDM: Talbot, Silvos (#3), Ottinger

Pretty telling right there. In the end they made the finals but saying their route wasnt easy is incorrect as yes Van made things tough even with the #3 but come on not having Demko can be argued as being a miracle on EDM side as if he was there probs would have been Van vs. Dal WCF


Argument is just lopping at this point but:
- Yep, FLA played better goalies, doesn't mean they're better teams.
- We have no idea if Demko wins Van the series, using it as an asterisk of "EDM loses 100%" is dumb. It's a completely different series altogether, no one knows what the outcome would've been.
- One route being easier than the other doesn't make it a cake walk, discrediting LA, VAN and DAL is as easy as discrediting TB, BOS and NYR.
Wed. at 5:29 p.m.
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Edited Wed. at 6:26 p.m.
Quoting: PurpleHippo
Argument is just lopping at this point but:
- Yep, FLA played better goalies, doesn't mean they're better teams.
- We have no idea if Demko wins Van the series, using it as an asterisk of "EDM loses 100%" is dumb. It's a completely different series altogether, no one knows what the outcome would've been.
- One route being easier than the other doesn't make it a cake walk, discrediting LA, VAN and DAL is as easy as discrediting TB, BOS and NYR.


Its really not lul

And come on we know if Demko was there what would have happened

If Van took EDM to 7 with their #3 if they had their starter who has a 0.920sv vs. EDM we all know where that was going

And easier routes dont mean cake walks but easy is easy and lets be real ask anyone what route they would rather have EDM or FLA majority would say EDM as its borderline cake walk especially with the circumstances around the opponents. Both made it to the finals but when we look at all the evidence EDM had the easier route
Yesterday at 8:31 p.m.
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Laine and CBJ are working on a trade to allow for a fresh start

Honestly for a team like CAR, NSH, or UTH there should be interest

As he can come in with no expectations to be "the guy" and then can return to what we saw in WPG
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Yesterday at 10:23 p.m.
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Panthers finally in Edmonton as of 30 minutes ago.
Yesterday at 10:40 p.m.
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Quoting: PurpleHippo
LA went away from it cause it wasn't working, it was a great system during the season against most teams but really hasn't worked well vs EDM.
Also EDM massively changed their system this series and it killed the offence of LA, neither of these discredit LA as being a good opponent but was the easiest matchup.

Silov's played incredible aside from game 1, I would make a genuine argument that he was Van's best player or at least top 3. I don't know why everyone is throwing him under the bus, I also don't know if Demko would've done better as Silov's played absolutely beautifully for a first time goalie (that isn't me discrediting Demko, but to discredit Silovs efforts is low). EP has a lingering leg issue since January, wouldn't say it's an injury as numerous players have those things come out after elimination (there are 5 players rumoured as injured in EDM rn).

Hintz wasn't, though he still played well at times but was insanely limited. Tanev played well the whole series, there wasn't a drop off after the ankle/foot issue.

Things can be said about Florida's path too, Vassy played poorly and Sergachev wasn't ready in TB, Marchant missed games and McAvoy dealt with a lingering upper body issue, NYR had Fox, Lindgren and Trouba with issues (Lindgren was seriously injured); It doesn't discredit a difficult path.

Neither one of the Panthers or Oilers had an easy path, LA > VAN > DAL and TB > BOS > NYR are both difficult, if you look for ways to discredit one then put an equal effort into discrediting the other otherwise it just looks like you're salty that a team you don't like made it.

LAK never settled into their system, they defaulted to the 1-2-2 neutral zone forecheck, they played scared... LAK didn't use their biggest strength and what made them good... i.e. being the easiest route

Silovs is a good goalie, but he isn't close to Demko... And having a sub .900 goaltender isn't Van's best player by a long shot, with Demko, VAN steals 1 of the game and therefore wins in 6...Vancouver with their 3rd string is the 2nd easiest matchup out of the 6 we are talking about... Silovs' being praised due to the low bar

Hintz played well but would have played better if he wasn't hurt, Tanev's impact was large; McDavid went from 4 pts in 3 games to 6 pts in 3 games, Draisaitl went from 1 pt in 3 games, to 3 pts in 3 games... Wyatt Johnston got affected severely by being worn down: https://www.theprogress.com/sports/dallas-stars-get-some-needed-rest-ahead-of-third-round-date-with-oilers-7362263 (11 pts in 13 games vs COL defence and VGK defence to 5 pts in 6 games vs EDM defence (Nurse-Ceci the pair he'd face), Logan Stankoven another guy (12 pts in 18 games vs COL+VGK compared to 2 pts in 6 games vs EDM) and more... Very impactful players for Dallas that weren't at their best...

Quoting: aadoyle
Nah EDM had an easy path come on dont be silly. Making it to the finals is nice but lets be real anyone would have taken that route especially the eastern teams

A meh LAK team who quit on the system that made them handle teams like EDM and got smashed to Van with their #3 goalie to a tired DAL team hell yah sign me up to that

We all know if Van had Demko story would have been different as if we look goaltending decides a series and while Silvos had his moments he also let in some backbreakers at times or got overwhelmed. People dont like hearing it but its the truth

In the end if we compare it to DAL route or FLA route night and day different


This^ is the quick summary
Yesterday at 11:23 p.m.
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Well sounds like the blues might have other ideas for puckpedia than us
Yesterday at 11:50 p.m.
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Eff the Caps Wash.
"Been a lovely f*ckin war, Bravo-6; out!!
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Well sounds like the blues might have other ideas for puckpedia than us


Kevin Weekes seemed to indicate the news has the do with Alex Steen (probably getting some type of AGM role), Puckpedia is likely baiting because they know it's all fresh on the casual fan's mind
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Yesterday at 11:26 a.m.
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Quoting: Canesfan21_
Well sounds like the blues might have other ideas for puckpedia than us


Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Kevin Weekes seemed to indicate the news has the do with Alex Steen (probably getting some type of AGM role), Puckpedia is likely baiting because they know it's all fresh on the casual fan's mind


And I was right, Alex Steen will be Blues AGM until 2026, then get the GM role, Armstrong will move to President of Hockey Ops in 2026
Yesterday at 11:26 a.m.
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Yesterday at 12:02 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Nah EDM had an easy path come on dont be silly. Making it to the finals is nice but lets be real anyone would have taken that route especially the eastern teams

A meh LAK team who quit on the system that made them handle teams like EDM and got smashed to Van with their #3 goalie to a tired DAL team hell yah sign me up to that

We all know if Van had Demko story would have been different as if we look goaltending decides a series and while Silvos had his moments he also let in some backbreakers at times or got overwhelmed. People dont like hearing it but its the truth

In the end if we compare it to DAL route or FLA route night and day different


Quoting: Leafsfan98
Yes, I was and no, it didn't... LA went away from what made them good... The 1-3-1 trap, they were aggressive, undisciplined and lazy without the puck and that cost them

Hintz and Tanev were very obviously not themselves with Tanev going to the room and Hintz not being able to go for multiple games, that's concerning, especially concidering what guys like Tkachuk went through in the SCF

You mean the 3rd string with a .898 save percentage (Only 0.03 save percentage off of Ilya Samsonov), are you really telling me that Thatcher Demko wouldn't do much better than that... And Elias Peterson was hurt, knee injury...

Edmonton didn't have a hard road to the finals, they were just lucky the 3 behemoths of the West beat up on each other... Florida, meanwhile, had to face Tampa, the New York Rangers and Boston, all three of those teams would beat any of the 3 teams EDM faced at the time EDM faced them...


lol, two leaf fans jealous of the oilers playoff run it seems
Yesterday at 1:36 p.m.
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Edited Yesterday at 1:42 p.m.
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lol, two leaf fans jealous of the oilers playoff run it seems


Nah, easy runs not the style we should want

Its the challenging runs that get teams ready just ask FLA lul

They just manhandling EDM rn and is causing EDM to try and take out their players in retaliation

Game 2 exemplified it and Drai's lucky he even in game 3

If anything im Jelly of FLA playstyle and forecheck system lul
Yesterday at 1:39 p.m.
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Honestly while its a risk CAR has an opportunity involving Laine
Yesterday at 1:45 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Nah, easy runs not the style we should want

Its the challenging runs that get teams ready just ask FLA lul

They just manhandling EDM rn and is causing EDM to try and take out their players in retaliation

Game 2 exemplified it and Drai's lucky he even in game 3

If anything im Jelly of FLA playstyle and forecheck system lul


manhandling would be correct for game two, not game 1, we just got goalie'd. So according to you, vegas's cup wasn't real? neither was Colorado cause they played weak teams to get there? Was dallas "too tired" last year when they got dominated by vegas? Have you guys ever thought that Dallas are just world class chokers?
Yesterday at 2:00 p.m.
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manhandling would be correct for game two, not game 1, we just got goalie'd. So according to you, vegas's cup wasn't real? neither was Colorado cause they played weak teams to get there? Was dallas "too tired" last year when they got dominated by vegas? Have you guys ever thought that Dallas are just world class chokers?


Getting Goalied is the equivalent to getting manhandled by the goalie

Its basically the full circle of ways to get it done and its only been 2 games lul

As for VGK and Avs not a good comparison to EDM run as other than having EDM has an opponent in their runs not many weak, handicapped or tired opponents. Will give Avs a minus for Saros being out R1 but even then series still would have ended in 5 or 6 for Avs as NSH was outmatched hard. But if were gonna try and compare it to well if Demko was in EDM would have won nah. If Van took EDM to 7 with the #3 what would have happened if Demko was in...Van vs. DAL WCF.

For DAL didnt have the 2 previous cup winners to through when getting to VGK. Compare the opponents 2022-2023 MIN-SEA vs. 2023-2024 VGK-AVS. Like lets be real if DAL played with the same energy like they did vs. Avs or VGK probs DAL vs. FLA SCF

And trying to discredit 2 former cup winners not smart

Avs beat the the former 2 time champs in TBL to get their cup and VGK just played FLA game but better and Cassidy had the revenge story of the ages congrats to him


For EDM yah made the finals on an easy run but now the cats be out to play lul.
Yesterday at 2:10 p.m.
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Getting Goalied is the equivalent to getting manhandled by the goalie

Its basically the full circle of ways to get it done and its only been 2 games lul

As for VGK and Avs not a good comparison to EDM run as other than having EDM has an opponent in their runs not many weak, handicapped or tired opponents. Will give Avs a minus for Saros being out R1 but even then series still would have ended in 5 or 6 for Avs as NSH was outmatched hard. But if were gonna try and compare it to well if Demko was in EDM would have won nah. If Van took EDM to 7 with the #3 what would have happened if Demko was in...Van vs. DAL WCF.

For DAL didnt have the 2 previous cup winners to through when getting to VGK. Compare the opponents 2022-2023 MIN-SEA vs. 2023-2024 VGK-AVS. Like lets be real if DAL played with the same energy like they did vs. Avs or VGK probs DAL vs. FLA SCF

And trying to discredit 2 former cup winners not smart

Avs beat the the former 2 time champs in TBL to get their cup and VGK manhandled FLA who bullied their way to their first SCF congrats to them

For EDM yah made the finals on an easy run but now the cats be out to play lul


"playing with the same energy" that's some coping dude, let it go lmao. That's not Edmonton's fault, a cup final appearance is a cup final appearance, the hardest round to get to in the major 4 sports, and you're trying to discredit a team because their opponent was "tired" LOL, have a good one.
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Quoting: gary_
"playing with the same energy" that's some coping dude, let it go lmao. That's not Edmonton's fault, a cup final appearance is a cup final appearance, the hardest round to get to in the major 4 sports, and you're trying to discredit a team because their opponent was "tired" LOL, have a good one.


Not really if everyone had EDM route would probs be in thats how easy it was

Like if an east team had that route they be jumping for joy lul

Again they made the finals but dont be trying to say it was tough as it really was not when we look at the fundementals

If we were to rank all runs these playoffs it was arguably the easiest next to the NYR.
Yesterday at 2:13 p.m.
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Not really if everyone had EDM route would probs be in lul


lol, if the leafs can't beat boston with zacha, coyle, and morgan geekie tears of joy as their top centers then they can't beat dallas.
Yesterday at 2:16 p.m.
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lol, if the leafs can't beat boston with zacha, coyle, and morgan geekie tears of joy as their top centers then they can't beat dallas.


Having a weak center core means nothing when they have a good goalie and system in place. Boston still had former SCC Marchand and one of the best RW in the NHL in David Pastranak. They also have one of the best Dcore's in the NHL and top 5 goalie tandem

Would be more concerned with Drai and McDavid vs. FLA considering Barkov's been an eyesore for em to the point where Drai even tried to take him out lul
Yesterday at 2:18 p.m.
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Having a weak center core means nothing when they have a good goalie and system in place

Would be more concerned with Drai and McDavid vs. FLA considering Barkov's been an eyesore for em lul


https://x.com/hockeystatcards/status/1799637708026835180
I mean... if you say so lol, this is from game 1. And yes, we did get dominated game 2
Yesterday at 2:21 p.m.
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https://x.com/hockeystatcards/status/1799637708026835180
I mean... if you say so lol, this is from game 1. And yes, we did get dominated game 2


The goalie took care of the game 1 domination

Still not a good look, and stats are not the best way to look at games as a whole cause next were gonna be using the deserve to win o-meter oh brother lul

Especially when we should expect open season for game 3 considering DOPS mishap with allowing what they did game 2.
Yesterday at 2:28 p.m.
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The goalie took care of the game 1 domination

Still not a good look, and stats are not the best way to look at games as a whole cause next were gonna be using the deserve to win o-meter oh brother lul

Especially when we should expect open season for game 3 considering DOPS mishap with allowing what they did game 2.


I just want a good cup final, don't think the NHL has seen this much attention
Yesterday at 2:48 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Kevin Weekes seemed to indicate the news has the do with Alex Steen (probably getting some type of AGM role), Puckpedia is likely baiting because they know it's all fresh on the casual fan's mind


God when he becomes GM the Puns will be real for all the good reasons
Yesterday at 2:55 p.m.
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Edited Yesterday at 4:26 p.m.
Seems pretty obvious now Pesce going to market

Chatfield just signed a big extension


Also Kakko just extended 2.4m x 1 years
 
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